Knicks · excited to get a top pick for a change (page 1)

First off i hate losing but i have always been big of draft picks. As we all know the knicks since 2000 have thrown away picks mostly for crap and paid dearly for it. Now we can get a top 3 pick along with having cap space should make us better quicker

And I would like to think we have management that has a vision for the kind of talent they would like to bring in, and how they can fit in with the existing roster, or whoever is left.

However, I am slightly worried that we might pass over better talent for a player that might be less so, but more ready in the short term.

StarksEwing1 wrote:First off i hate losing but i have always been big of draft picks. As we all know the knicks since 2000 have thrown away picks mostly for crap and paid dearly for it. Now we can get a top 3 pick along with having cap space should make us better quicker

We may need to hire some new draft scouts for this year.

BRIGGS wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:First off i hate losing but i have always been big of draft picks. As we all know the knicks since 2000 have thrown away picks mostly for crap and paid dearly for it. Now we can get a top 3 pick along with having cap space should make us better quicker

We may need to hire some new draft scouts for this year.

Throw your name into the hat.

CrushAlot wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:First off i hate losing but i have always been big of draft picks. As we all know the knicks since 2000 have thrown away picks mostly for crap and paid dearly for it. Now we can get a top 3 pick along with having cap space should make us better quicker

We may need to hire some new draft scouts for this year.

Throw your name into the hat.

Ring! Ring!

Phil: Hello?

Splat!: Phil, its Splat! I'm in Inner Mongolia scouting the Isckboivizek Mukkymuks.

Phil: Who are you? Who's paying you to go to Isckboivizek? First I heard of it.

Splat!: Yes Phil, didn't Allan tell you? I'm a bigfoot hunter. I find NBA-ready wooly mammoths where no scout has gone before.

Phil: Hold on a second ... (Jeannie, put on some clothes). So ........ find anything?

Splat!: Yesiree! His name is Og. No last name, just Og. He's 8'4" tall, 450 lbs. and he runs like a goddam gazelle! His stroke is unbelievable. As a boy in the tundra he would heave a rock a thousand yards and nail a reindeer right between the eyes. His kill rate was 90%, just like his 3-point FG%!

Phil: Hold on there Splat! You're telling me this circus monster shoots 90% from downtown?

Splat!: Yes! And nobody can score on him. His leg span is so wide he can spread his legs to outside both sides of the paint and not get a 3-second defensive violation. He just stands there and swats every shot down. I mean nobody has scored on him yet. Every game is a massacre.

Sometimes he just catches their shots and throws the ball downcourt and it goes in. He doesn't even have to move his feet. It's crazy!

Phil: That sounds like a bunch of horsechit. Who the hell are you? Did you take Amanita Muscaria with the shamans there? I know one outside Isckboivizek. I'll ask them if they've heard about this Og.

Splat!: Don't look a gift horse in the mouth Phil. Og will make you look like a genius. I'm signing him as soon as you give me the thumbs up. The game footage is arriving tomorrow. They use Super 8 film to record the games here so get that old projector out of your closet, because tomorrow is popcorn day with Og.

We have to do it all this/next year. We need to draft well, real well and we first need to hopefully get a top 3 pick. That is still way up in the air.
After drafting well we need to do GREAT in FA. If we draft excellently, then I think, of course, that helps our chances in FA. Having a poor record is
not going to help us attract a great FA. But, having Melo and a potential star in the draft means we will have a VERY good chance to get that #3 in FA.
If we don't score 2 great players in any combination of the draft or FA, we are toast and next year we will get to see the curse that the Bargs trade was.
Perhaps our worst trade of all time, but it depends on the before mentioned. Still can't believe the pick is not AT ALL protected.

Exciting times for a change as the NBA rules prohibit Dolan from FUkin us over (at least till draft time.)
EMS

He likes pippen type players in the draft....uses FA for steve kerr triangle fit players.

earthmansurfer wrote:We have to do it all this/next year. We need to draft well, real well and we first need to hopefully get a top 3 pick. That is still way up in the air.
After drafting well we need to do GREAT in FA. If we draft excellently, then I think, of course, that helps our chances in FA. Having a poor record is
not going to help us attract a great FA. But, having Melo and a potential star in the draft means we will have a VERY good chance to get that #3 in FA.
If we don't score 2 great players in any combination of the draft or FA, we are toast and next year we will get to see the curse that the Bargs trade was.
Perhaps our worst trade of all time, but it depends on the before mentioned. Still can't believe the pick is not AT ALL protected.

Exciting times for a change as the NBA rules prohibit Dolan from FUkin us over (at least till draft time.)
EMS

Yup imagine gifting Toronto a lottery pick next year when they already are far and away the best team in the Atlantic?

The ghost of Bargnani will haunt us for a long time
Yowser

gunsnewing wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:We have to do it all this/next year. We need to draft well, real well and we first need to hopefully get a top 3 pick. That is still way up in the air.
After drafting well we need to do GREAT in FA. If we draft excellently, then I think, of course, that helps our chances in FA. Having a poor record is
not going to help us attract a great FA. But, having Melo and a potential star in the draft means we will have a VERY good chance to get that #3 in FA.
If we don't score 2 great players in any combination of the draft or FA, we are toast and next year we will get to see the curse that the Bargs trade was.
Perhaps our worst trade of all time, but it depends on the before mentioned. Still can't believe the pick is not AT ALL protected.

Exciting times for a change as the NBA rules prohibit Dolan from FUkin us over (at least till draft time.)
EMS

Yup imagine gifting Toronto a lottery pick next year when they already are far and away the best team in the Atlantic?

The ghost of Bargnani will haunt us for a long time
Yowser

Denver would take the better of the two picks and Tor the lesser, technically since DEN has the right to swap the pick from the Melo deal (But then again Denver could Be a lotto team too!)

TripleThreat wrote:

franco12 wrote:And I would like to think we have management that has a vision for the kind of talent they would like to bring in, and how they can fit in with the existing roster, or whoever is left.

However, I am slightly worried that we might pass over better talent for a player that might be less so, but more ready in the short term.

In lies part of the larger problem.

Will Phil Jackson be here in ten years? No. Odds are not.

Will Phil Jackson be here in five years? There's a coin flip's chance that it's a No. The guy is pushing 70, has documented health problems and frankly, most execs his age already are retired.

Will Phil Jackson be here next year? Absolutely. And he will draft a player that will suit the Triangle Offense. Which might not be the player best suited for the Knicks after Jackson leaves ( and if the Triangle Offense leaves with him)

When you run a system no one elses runs, and the remnants of past rosters who did are fading out ( Odom gone, Bynum gone, Bryant, almost done, Gasol at the end of his career, a lot of those Lakers and Bulls holdovers are gone), it's not as easy to mine players out there from other rosters.

The problem lies if Phil Jackson picks a player he feels is suited best for the Triangle, though not the player with the highest talent ceiling, the Triangle proves to be a poor choice of offense for the Knicks over the long haul, they dump the Triangle, and the young player has only been groomed into it and trained into it, now his GM is fully gone and likely his coach is gone too.

It's like going into a Kinkos because you need to get onto the Internet and you find a work station you rent that has a computer with Windows 95 on it.

Add onto this, he's a first time GM and his pick range ( 10-12 likely) will be one where he's beyond the "Can't Miss" prospect tier.

Most likely if a player fits the triangle he has the talent and IQ to fit in any system. If Phil in the end added a bunch of high IQ players to the team I doubt any of us would have a problem with that. Just remember Carmelo Anthony and Jr Smith ceilings were extremely high coming out of there drafts .

The hope is also that Fisher turns into something special and is able to grab power as he gains experience and keep the ship moving in the right direction.

TripleThreat wrote:

franco12 wrote:And I would like to think we have management that has a vision for the kind of talent they would like to bring in, and how they can fit in with the existing roster, or whoever is left.

However, I am slightly worried that we might pass over better talent for a player that might be less so, but more ready in the short term.

In lies part of the larger problem.

Will Phil Jackson be here in ten years? No. Odds are not.

Will Phil Jackson be here in five years? There's a coin flip's chance that it's a No. The guy is pushing 70, has documented health problems and frankly, most execs his age already are retired.

Will Phil Jackson be here next year? Absolutely. And he will draft a player that will suit the Triangle Offense. Which might not be the player best suited for the Knicks after Jackson leaves ( and if the Triangle Offense leaves with him)

When you run a system no one elses runs, and the remnants of past rosters who did are fading out ( Odom gone, Bynum gone, Bryant, almost done, Gasol at the end of his career, a lot of those Lakers and Bulls holdovers are gone), it's not as easy to mine players out there from other rosters.

The problem lies if Phil Jackson picks a player he feels is suited best for the Triangle, though not the player with the highest talent ceiling, the Triangle proves to be a poor choice of offense for the Knicks over the long haul, they dump the Triangle, and the young player has only been groomed into it and trained into it, now his GM is fully gone and likely his coach is gone too.

It's like going into a Kinkos because you need to get onto the Internet and you find a work station you rent that has a computer with Windows 95 on it.

Add onto this, he's a first time GM and his pick range ( 10-12 likely) will be one where he's beyond the "Can't Miss" prospect tier.

Good points. It is a major reason why I wonder if Phil was the right guy for the job. Overall, I was relieved that Dolan would no longer be involved in basketball decisions but the hire seemed like poor timing. With 2015 around the corner, why hire a guy whose system would preclude us from pursuing the one star player likely to be available (Rajon Rondo)? Anyway, time will tell.

Are there any circumstances that you guys would be content with moving a top 3 pick in this draft?

The silver lining is that the more we lose the better draft position we get. Lets face it we desperately need some talented youth in here preferably in the frontcourt.

StarksEwing1 wrote:The silver lining is that the more we lose the better draft position we get. Lets face it we desperately need some talented youth in here preferably in the frontcourt.

there are a handful of quality bigs at the top of this draft. Getting one would be a coup

NardDogNation wrote:Are there any circumstances that you guys would be content with moving a top 3 pick in this draft?

Anthony Davis tells the Pelicans he will never ever stay there.
We get the overall no. 1 pick
We still need to sweeten the pot.

Pel's do it because its just business.

Nalod wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:Are there any circumstances that you guys would be content with moving a top 3 pick in this draft?

Anthony Davis tells the Pelicans he will never ever stay there.
We get the overall no. 1 pick
We still need to sweeten the pot.

Pel's do it because its just business.

They'll have teams lining up to give a fortune for Davis though

NardDogNation wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

franco12 wrote:And I would like to think we have management that has a vision for the kind of talent they would like to bring in, and how they can fit in with the existing roster, or whoever is left.

However, I am slightly worried that we might pass over better talent for a player that might be less so, but more ready in the short term.

In lies part of the larger problem.

Will Phil Jackson be here in ten years? No. Odds are not.

Will Phil Jackson be here in five years? There's a coin flip's chance that it's a No. The guy is pushing 70, has documented health problems and frankly, most execs his age already are retired.

Will Phil Jackson be here next year? Absolutely. And he will draft a player that will suit the Triangle Offense. Which might not be the player best suited for the Knicks after Jackson leaves ( and if the Triangle Offense leaves with him)

When you run a system no one elses runs, and the remnants of past rosters who did are fading out ( Odom gone, Bynum gone, Bryant, almost done, Gasol at the end of his career, a lot of those Lakers and Bulls holdovers are gone), it's not as easy to mine players out there from other rosters.

The problem lies if Phil Jackson picks a player he feels is suited best for the Triangle, though not the player with the highest talent ceiling, the Triangle proves to be a poor choice of offense for the Knicks over the long haul, they dump the Triangle, and the young player has only been groomed into it and trained into it, now his GM is fully gone and likely his coach is gone too.

It's like going into a Kinkos because you need to get onto the Internet and you find a work station you rent that has a computer with Windows 95 on it.

Add onto this, he's a first time GM and his pick range ( 10-12 likely) will be one where he's beyond the "Can't Miss" prospect tier.

Good points. It is a major reason why I wonder if Phil was the right guy for the job. Overall, I was relieved that Dolan would no longer be involved in basketball decisions but the hire seemed like poor timing. With 2015 around the corner, why hire a guy whose system would preclude us from pursuing the one star player likely to be available (Rajon Rondo)? Anyway, time will tell.

Rondo is a starphuch we would have done. He is wrong at max money. Wrong for a young team. Wrong for many reasons.
Building a culture takes time. if your worried about Phil and the building of culture a month into the season then maybe you worry too much.

Nothing great was ever built overnite. In a business where competition exists the "Plan" as you know it is not available for you to digest.