Knicks · BLAME IT ALL ON FISHER (page 5)

CrushAlot @ 12/5/2014 9:57 PM
Knicks1969 wrote:I am sorry, you can tell a good coach from the jump. He or she typically always aims for continuity. Fisher is schizophrenic

I don't know. Byron Scott has had some success, works his guys in practice and won a coy. I think he is a really bad coach. You could predict his substitutions down to 30 seconds. It didn't matter if a guy was hot or if a guy was messing out bad. They went out when their time was up. But he had a rotation and his guys knew when and how many minutes they would get. Fish might want to do something like this. At least he wound commit to a rotation and guys would know when and how many minutes they would get.
knicks1248 @ 12/5/2014 10:04 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
Knicks1969 wrote:I am sorry, you can tell a good coach from the jump. He or she typically always aims for continuity. Fisher is schizophrenic

I don't know. Byron Scott has had some success, works his guys in practice and won a coy. I think he is a really bad coach. You could predict his substitutions down to 30 seconds. It didn't matter if a guy was hot or if a guy was messing out bad. They went out when their time was up. But he had a rotation and his guys knew when and how many minutes they would get. Fish might want to do something like this. At least he wound commit to a rotation and guys would know when and how many minutes they would get.

Rookies rotation is basically eeny meeny miny moe with his eyes close,

CrushAlot @ 12/5/2014 10:28 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
Knicks1969 wrote:I am sorry, you can tell a good coach from the jump. He or she typically always aims for continuity. Fisher is schizophrenic

I don't know. Byron Scott has had some success, works his guys in practice and won a coy. I think he is a really bad coach. You could predict his substitutions down to 30 seconds. It didn't matter if a guy was hot or if a guy was messing out bad. They went out when their time was up. But he had a rotation and his guys knew when and how many minutes they would get. Fish might want to do something like this. At least he wound commit to a rotation and guys would know when and how many minutes they would get.

Rookies rotation is basically eeny meeny miny moe with his eyes close,

Reminds me more of a high school coach that won't make cuts. Whatever. He needs a rotation of 8 and 5-6 guys that sit every night.

knicks1248 @ 12/5/2014 10:35 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
Knicks1969 wrote:I am sorry, you can tell a good coach from the jump. He or she typically always aims for continuity. Fisher is schizophrenic

I don't know. Byron Scott has had some success, works his guys in practice and won a coy. I think he is a really bad coach. You could predict his substitutions down to 30 seconds. It didn't matter if a guy was hot or if a guy was messing out bad. They went out when their time was up. But he had a rotation and his guys knew when and how many minutes they would get. Fish might want to do something like this. At least he wound commit to a rotation and guys would know when and how many minutes they would get.

Rookies rotation is basically eeny meeny miny moe with his eyes close,

Reminds me more of a high school coach that won't make cuts. Whatever. He needs a rotation of 8 and 5-6 guys that sit every night.

we don't even have a bench, starters, 13th man, it's comical, i mean it is a complete joke, and disrespect to the players and the NBA.

Splat @ 12/6/2014 12:10 AM
Fish ain't doing a great job, but to say he should lock down a fixed rotation of under 10 players when his choices boil down to burnt toast, rotten eggs and overcooked oatmeal is maybe asking for too much.

What matters more is a consistent use of the roster however deeply it is utilized. It distinctly looks like throwing things at the wall to see what sticks right now and on that count Fisher looks lost.

Plus, the early default mode of playing Melo +40 minutes smells like a disaster brewing. Phil has the power to step in and force a limit and that is not happening. That alone makes me lose a great deal of confidence in the direction of this new management team. It's pretty wack.

Saying it now. Limit Melo's minutes or we'll be stuck with an Amare-type contract in the next year. Then Melo won't even be usable in a deal, much less as a solid contributor to this club.

Wake TF Up Phil!

Knicks1969 @ 12/6/2014 12:35 AM
Splat wrote:Fish ain't doing a great job, but to say he should lock down a fixed rotation of under 10 players when his choices boil down to burnt toast, rotten eggs and overcooked oatmeal is maybe asking for too much.

What matters more is a consistent use of the roster however deeply it is utilized. It distinctly looks like throwing things at the wall to see what sticks right now and on that count Fisher looks lost.

Plus, the early default mode of playing Melo +40 minutes smells like a disaster brewing. Phil has the power to step in and force a limit and that is not happening. That alone makes me lose a great deal of confidence in the direction of this new management team. It's pretty wack.

Saying it now. Limit Melo's minutes or we'll be stuck with an Amare-type contract in the next year. Then Melo won't even be usable in a deal, much less as a solid contributor to this club.

Wake TF Up Phil!

That MOFO can lock down a fix rotation of 10 guys and roll with it for the rest of the season. Cole has not given us jack doodoo, he does not need to be part of the rotation. At his point, he should ride: Calderon,Shump, Carmelo, Acy, Amare, Larkin, JR, THJ, prigioni,and wear

Splat @ 12/6/2014 12:39 AM
Knicks1969 wrote:
Splat wrote:Fish ain't doing a great job, but to say he should lock down a fixed rotation of under 10 players when his choices boil down to burnt toast, rotten eggs and overcooked oatmeal is maybe asking for too much.

What matters more is a consistent use of the roster however deeply it is utilized. It distinctly looks like throwing things at the wall to see what sticks right now and on that count Fisher looks lost.

Plus, the early default mode of playing Melo +40 minutes smells like a disaster brewing. Phil has the power to step in and force a limit and that is not happening. That alone makes me lose a great deal of confidence in the direction of this new management team. It's pretty wack.

Saying it now. Limit Melo's minutes or we'll be stuck with an Amare-type contract in the next year. Then Melo won't even be usable in a deal, much less as a solid contributor to this club.

Wake TF Up Phil!

That MOFO can lock down a fix rotation of 10 guys and roll with it for the rest of the season. Cole has not given us jack doodoo, he does not need to be part of the rotation. At his point, he should ride: Calderon,Shump, Carmelo, Acy, Amare, Larkin, JR, THJ, prigioni,and wear

He could. I'm just saying how deep the rotation is is not the primary issue since a number 10-12 guy in the rotation may be useful situationally for 10 minutes a game. That still means you settle on who your core minutes going to. So I'm mostly in agreement that the primary rotation has to be consistent regardless of how deep the rotation is. It is still a clusterfuk with such a weak roster regardless.

Knicks1969 @ 12/6/2014 1:22 AM
Splat wrote:
Knicks1969 wrote:
Splat wrote:Fish ain't doing a great job, but to say he should lock down a fixed rotation of under 10 players when his choices boil down to burnt toast, rotten eggs and overcooked oatmeal is maybe asking for too much.

What matters more is a consistent use of the roster however deeply it is utilized. It distinctly looks like throwing things at the wall to see what sticks right now and on that count Fisher looks lost.

Plus, the early default mode of playing Melo +40 minutes smells like a disaster brewing. Phil has the power to step in and force a limit and that is not happening. That alone makes me lose a great deal of confidence in the direction of this new management team. It's pretty wack.

Saying it now. Limit Melo's minutes or we'll be stuck with an Amare-type contract in the next year. Then Melo won't even be usable in a deal, much less as a solid contributor to this club.

Wake TF Up Phil!

That MOFO can lock down a fix rotation of 10 guys and roll with it for the rest of the season. Cole has not given us jack doodoo, he does not need to be part of the rotation. At his point, he should ride: Calderon,Shump, Carmelo, Acy, Amare, Larkin, JR, THJ, prigioni,and wear

He could. I'm just saying how deep the rotation is is not the primary issue since a number 10-12 guy in the rotation may be useful situationally for 10 minutes a game. That still means you settle on who your core minutes going to. So I'm mostly in agreement that the primary rotation has to be consistent regardless of how deep the rotation is. It is still a clusterfuk with such a weak roster regardless.

Fisher is penalizing certainly guys for not doing a good job on defense, while sacrificing scoring which is a key ingredient for winning games. He is nothing but a rookie. When he needs to have defenders/shot blockers on the court, he chose to do otherwise.

DJMUSIC @ 12/8/2014 1:48 AM
Knicks1969 wrote:
Splat wrote:
Knicks1969 wrote:
Splat wrote:Fish ain't doing a great job, but to say he should lock down a fixed rotation of under 10 players when his choices boil down to burnt toast, rotten eggs and overcooked oatmeal is maybe asking for too much.

What matters more is a consistent use of the roster however deeply it is utilized. It distinctly looks like throwing things at the wall to see what sticks right now and on that count Fisher looks lost.

Plus, the early default mode of playing Melo +40 minutes smells like a disaster brewing. Phil has the power to step in and force a limit and that is not happening. That alone makes me lose a great deal of confidence in the direction of this new management team. It's pretty wack.

Saying it now. Limit Melo's minutes or we'll be stuck with an Amare-type contract in the next year. Then Melo won't even be usable in a deal, much less as a solid contributor to this club.

Wake TF Up Phil!

That MOFO can lock down a fix rotation of 10 guys and roll with it for the rest of the season. Cole has not given us jack doodoo, he does not need to be part of the rotation. At his point, he should ride: Calderon,Shump, Carmelo, Acy, Amare, Larkin, JR, THJ, prigioni,and wear

He could. I'm just saying how deep the rotation is is not the primary issue since a number 10-12 guy in the rotation may be useful situationally for 10 minutes a game. That still means you settle on who your core minutes going to. So I'm mostly in agreement that the primary rotation has to be consistent regardless of how deep the rotation is. It is still a clusterfuk with such a weak roster regardless.

Fisher is penalizing certainly guys for not doing a good job on defense, while sacrificing scoring which is a key ingredient for winning games. He is nothing but a rookie. When he needs to have defenders/shot blockers on the court, he chose to do otherwise.

This starts with the rookie head Coach D.Fisher however Phil Jackson has the makeup of this team as comprised. Give it time
however BIG CHIEF Triangle has lots to FIX !
Over next few seasons


Syniko @ 12/8/2014 3:29 AM
What did you expect from a first time coach like Derek Fisher?
Knicks1969 @ 12/8/2014 11:35 AM
Syniko wrote:What did you expect from a first time coach like Derek Fisher?

I expected the same FISHER I used to see on the court when he was a player. Not this too cool dude we now have on the sideline

Nalod @ 12/8/2014 11:40 AM
Knicks1969 wrote:
Syniko wrote:What did you expect from a first time coach like Derek Fisher?

I expected the same FISHER I used to see on the court when he was a player. Not this too cool dude we now have on the sideline

Your expectations are not aligned with reality. Rookie coach, even the cerebral ones still need some time to adapt. Kerr had many years to learn to prepare, and he has a great roster.
Fisher has an agenda that I don't believe jives with your expectation after 21 games.

Knicks1969 @ 12/8/2014 7:41 PM
Nalod wrote:
Knicks1969 wrote:
Syniko wrote:What did you expect from a first time coach like Derek Fisher?

I expected the same FISHER I used to see on the court when he was a player. Not this too cool dude we now have on the sideline

Your expectations are not aligned with reality. Rookie coach, even the cerebral ones still need some time to adapt. Kerr had many years to learn to prepare, and he has a great roster.
Fisher has an agenda that I don't believe jives with your expectation after 21 games.

Time to adjust does not mean throwing out a different lineup every game. He is trying to coach young dudes like THJ to play hard at both ends of the court, while we don't have one player on the roster that does such a thing. To make an example out of THJ was a very dumb move.

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