Knicks · So What Do You Guys Think Of This? (page 4)

Nalod wrote:
Lowrey would have cost us a draft pick, be a long term contract, and not enough upside.
He is a very good player but he was not in huge demand and his maturity has been questioned.

I like Gasol and he is stepped it up a notch. He lost a lot of weight and the quickness seems to help.
COntract year performance? Can he sustain it?

Memphis has the best record in the league!!!! They are commited to a plan and without starphuching seemingly are "Spurs Lite"!
He went to high school there when Pau was the man and has been great. THat trade was lambasted at the time but really Memphis really did wel with it.
So did the Lakers!

Who knows what Memphis will pay to keep him and if its at all about money for him. Pau choose chicago because they are a good team and its a cultural diverse city with much to offer those interested in the Arts.
Does Marc seek similar? Would he thrive in the Triangle? No better city in the country if you want the Arts and Culture.

Aldridge?

Perhaps who we draft might determine who we mark for free agency.

KLove is free and Lebron can opt out. While I doubt Lebron leaves Cle, and Love is predicted to either stay or head out west, one might imagine he could do very well under Phish.

Those are the big names. The chess board has yet to be set. Will be interesting summer. Meanwhile, we got games to lose!

Lowry is worth the pick and certainly does have a huge upside.

I think Love would do really well here. He is having a rough start in cleveland but like Bosh, its hard for a stretch 4 to stand out with Lebron.

I think that we have a shot at him.

mreinman wrote:

Nalod wrote:
Lowrey would have cost us a draft pick, be a long term contract, and not enough upside.
He is a very good player but he was not in huge demand and his maturity has been questioned.

I like Gasol and he is stepped it up a notch. He lost a lot of weight and the quickness seems to help.
COntract year performance? Can he sustain it?

Memphis has the best record in the league!!!! They are commited to a plan and without starphuching seemingly are "Spurs Lite"!
He went to high school there when Pau was the man and has been great. THat trade was lambasted at the time but really Memphis really did wel with it.
So did the Lakers!

Who knows what Memphis will pay to keep him and if its at all about money for him. Pau choose chicago because they are a good team and its a cultural diverse city with much to offer those interested in the Arts.
Does Marc seek similar? Would he thrive in the Triangle? No better city in the country if you want the Arts and Culture.

Aldridge?

Perhaps who we draft might determine who we mark for free agency.

KLove is free and Lebron can opt out. While I doubt Lebron leaves Cle, and Love is predicted to either stay or head out west, one might imagine he could do very well under Phish.

Those are the big names. The chess board has yet to be set. Will be interesting summer. Meanwhile, we got games to lose!

Lowry is worth the pick and certainly does have a huge upside.

I think Love would do really well here. He is having a rough start in cleveland but like Bosh, its hard for a stretch 4 to stand out with Lebron.

I think that we have a shot at him.

lol talk about overrated

I know you have a very soft spot for him

He shoots 37% from 3, therefore must offer Max

F500ONE wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Nalod wrote:
Lowrey would have cost us a draft pick, be a long term contract, and not enough upside.
He is a very good player but he was not in huge demand and his maturity has been questioned.

I like Gasol and he is stepped it up a notch. He lost a lot of weight and the quickness seems to help.
COntract year performance? Can he sustain it?

Memphis has the best record in the league!!!! They are commited to a plan and without starphuching seemingly are "Spurs Lite"!
He went to high school there when Pau was the man and has been great. THat trade was lambasted at the time but really Memphis really did wel with it.
So did the Lakers!

Who knows what Memphis will pay to keep him and if its at all about money for him. Pau choose chicago because they are a good team and its a cultural diverse city with much to offer those interested in the Arts.
Does Marc seek similar? Would he thrive in the Triangle? No better city in the country if you want the Arts and Culture.

Aldridge?

Perhaps who we draft might determine who we mark for free agency.

KLove is free and Lebron can opt out. While I doubt Lebron leaves Cle, and Love is predicted to either stay or head out west, one might imagine he could do very well under Phish.

Those are the big names. The chess board has yet to be set. Will be interesting summer. Meanwhile, we got games to lose!

Lowry is worth the pick and certainly does have a huge upside.

I think Love would do really well here. He is having a rough start in cleveland but like Bosh, its hard for a stretch 4 to stand out with Lebron.

I think that we have a shot at him.

lol talk about overrated

I know you have a very soft spot for him

He shoots 37% from 3, therefore must offer Max

ugh

Nalod wrote:
Lowrey would have cost us a draft pick, be a long term contract, and not enough upside.
He is a very good player but he was not in huge demand and his maturity has been questioned.

I like Gasol and he is stepped it up a notch. He lost a lot of weight and the quickness seems to help.
COntract year performance? Can he sustain it?

Memphis has the best record in the league!!!! They are commited to a plan and without starphuching seemingly are "Spurs Lite"!
He went to high school there when Pau was the man and has been great. THat trade was lambasted at the time but really Memphis really did wel with it.
So did the Lakers!

Who knows what Memphis will pay to keep him and if its at all about money for him. Pau choose chicago because they are a good team and its a cultural diverse city with much to offer those interested in the Arts.
Does Marc seek similar? Would he thrive in the Triangle? No better city in the country if you want the Arts and Culture.

Aldridge?

Perhaps who we draft might determine who we mark for free agency.

KLove is free and Lebron can opt out. While I doubt Lebron leaves Cle, and Love is predicted to either stay or head out west, one might imagine he could do very well under Phish.

Those are the big names. The chess board has yet to be set. Will be interesting summer. Meanwhile, we got games to lose!

Hell no to Love and Aldridge. The dude we should throw the money at is Gasol

Knicks1969 wrote:

Nalod wrote:
Lowrey would have cost us a draft pick, be a long term contract, and not enough upside.
He is a very good player but he was not in huge demand and his maturity has been questioned.

I like Gasol and he is stepped it up a notch. He lost a lot of weight and the quickness seems to help.
COntract year performance? Can he sustain it?

Memphis has the best record in the league!!!! They are commited to a plan and without starphuching seemingly are "Spurs Lite"!
He went to high school there when Pau was the man and has been great. THat trade was lambasted at the time but really Memphis really did wel with it.
So did the Lakers!

Who knows what Memphis will pay to keep him and if its at all about money for him. Pau choose chicago because they are a good team and its a cultural diverse city with much to offer those interested in the Arts.
Does Marc seek similar? Would he thrive in the Triangle? No better city in the country if you want the Arts and Culture.

Aldridge?

Perhaps who we draft might determine who we mark for free agency.

KLove is free and Lebron can opt out. While I doubt Lebron leaves Cle, and Love is predicted to either stay or head out west, one might imagine he could do very well under Phish.

Those are the big names. The chess board has yet to be set. Will be interesting summer. Meanwhile, we got games to lose!

Hell no to Love and Aldridge. The dude we should throw the money at is Gasol

He's probably the consensus desire

He's also the most unattainable

I wouldn't Max Gasol out at $20mil/yr

F500ONE wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

Nalod wrote:
Lowrey would have cost us a draft pick, be a long term contract, and not enough upside.
He is a very good player but he was not in huge demand and his maturity has been questioned.

I like Gasol and he is stepped it up a notch. He lost a lot of weight and the quickness seems to help.
COntract year performance? Can he sustain it?

Memphis has the best record in the league!!!! They are commited to a plan and without starphuching seemingly are "Spurs Lite"!
He went to high school there when Pau was the man and has been great. THat trade was lambasted at the time but really Memphis really did wel with it.
So did the Lakers!

Who knows what Memphis will pay to keep him and if its at all about money for him. Pau choose chicago because they are a good team and its a cultural diverse city with much to offer those interested in the Arts.
Does Marc seek similar? Would he thrive in the Triangle? No better city in the country if you want the Arts and Culture.

Aldridge?

Perhaps who we draft might determine who we mark for free agency.

KLove is free and Lebron can opt out. While I doubt Lebron leaves Cle, and Love is predicted to either stay or head out west, one might imagine he could do very well under Phish.

Those are the big names. The chess board has yet to be set. Will be interesting summer. Meanwhile, we got games to lose!

Hell no to Love and Aldridge. The dude we should throw the money at is Gasol

He's probably the consensus desire

He's also the most unattainable

I wouldn't Max Gasol out at $20mil/yr

I will suck Marc Gasol's toes if that is what it will take

Splat wrote:Stop beating around the bush Dagger and tell us how you really feel.

I actually don't dislike Melo I just think he can be delusional and tone deaf.

mreinman wrote:

Nalod wrote:
Lowrey would have cost us a draft pick, be a long term contract, and not enough upside.
He is a very good player but he was not in huge demand and his maturity has been questioned.

I like Gasol and he is stepped it up a notch. He lost a lot of weight and the quickness seems to help.
COntract year performance? Can he sustain it?

Memphis has the best record in the league!!!! They are commited to a plan and without starphuching seemingly are "Spurs Lite"!
He went to high school there when Pau was the man and has been great. THat trade was lambasted at the time but really Memphis really did wel with it.
So did the Lakers!

Who knows what Memphis will pay to keep him and if its at all about money for him. Pau choose chicago because they are a good team and its a cultural diverse city with much to offer those interested in the Arts.
Does Marc seek similar? Would he thrive in the Triangle? No better city in the country if you want the Arts and Culture.

Aldridge?

Perhaps who we draft might determine who we mark for free agency.

KLove is free and Lebron can opt out. While I doubt Lebron leaves Cle, and Love is predicted to either stay or head out west, one might imagine he could do very well under Phish.

Those are the big names. The chess board has yet to be set. Will be interesting summer. Meanwhile, we got games to lose!

Lowry is worth the pick and certainly does have a huge upside.

I think Love would do really well here. He is having a rough start in cleveland but like Bosh, its hard for a stretch 4 to stand out with Lebron.

I think that we have a shot at him.

Maybe, but Bosh didn't have the range Love has. Love came in with the ability to shoot threes. I haven't looked at his stats lately but I bet his Fta's are down along with his other numbers. His trips to the line and lack of inside touches is making him more of a catch and shoot player.

yellowboy90 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Nalod wrote:
Lowrey would have cost us a draft pick, be a long term contract, and not enough upside.
He is a very good player but he was not in huge demand and his maturity has been questioned.

I like Gasol and he is stepped it up a notch. He lost a lot of weight and the quickness seems to help.
COntract year performance? Can he sustain it?

Memphis has the best record in the league!!!! They are commited to a plan and without starphuching seemingly are "Spurs Lite"!
He went to high school there when Pau was the man and has been great. THat trade was lambasted at the time but really Memphis really did wel with it.
So did the Lakers!

Who knows what Memphis will pay to keep him and if its at all about money for him. Pau choose chicago because they are a good team and its a cultural diverse city with much to offer those interested in the Arts.
Does Marc seek similar? Would he thrive in the Triangle? No better city in the country if you want the Arts and Culture.

Aldridge?

Perhaps who we draft might determine who we mark for free agency.

KLove is free and Lebron can opt out. While I doubt Lebron leaves Cle, and Love is predicted to either stay or head out west, one might imagine he could do very well under Phish.

Those are the big names. The chess board has yet to be set. Will be interesting summer. Meanwhile, we got games to lose!

Lowry is worth the pick and certainly does have a huge upside.

I think Love would do really well here. He is having a rough start in cleveland but like Bosh, its hard for a stretch 4 to stand out with Lebron.

I think that we have a shot at him.

Maybe, but Bosh didn't have the range Love has. Love came in with the ability to shoot threes. I haven't looked at his stats lately but I bet his Fta's are down along with his other numbers. His trips to the line and lack of inside touches is making him more of a catch and shoot player.

Yes. Those numbers are down (usage, points, rebounds assists, fta's). His TS is creeping up though (very good 57.6, and I am sure that it will get better).

Let him just be efficient with the reduced numbers, that's fine.

I have read that his defense has been a problem. Lets see how that plays out.

mreinman wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:I see a lot of talk about two way players but a lot of players people consider two way players are only one way players that are adequate defensive/offensive players.

I will take really good and adequate.

Agree ... very few 2 wayers.

Which is why we shouldn't just throw Shumpert to the curb and keep trying to develop and own 2 way player

gunsnewing wrote:

mreinman wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:I see a lot of talk about two way players but a lot of players people consider two way players are only one way players that are adequate defensive/offensive players.

I will take really good and adequate.

Agree ... very few 2 wayers.

Which is why we shouldn't just throw Shumpert to the curb and keep trying to develop and own 2 way player

sorry man. you love the kid but you gotta cut the cord. don't you think you are being a bit biased with him? how would you feel about him if we did not draft him and he came as a second year player in the Denver trade?

gunsnewing wrote:

mreinman wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:I see a lot of talk about two way players but a lot of players people consider two way players are only one way players that are adequate defensive/offensive players.

I will take really good and adequate.

Agree ... very few 2 wayers.

Which is why we shouldn't just throw Shumpert to the curb and keep trying to develop and own 2 way player

right now Shump is just an adequate defensive player and a below average offensive player.

yellowboy90 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

mreinman wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:I see a lot of talk about two way players but a lot of players people consider two way players are only one way players that are adequate defensive/offensive players.

I will take really good and adequate.

Agree ... very few 2 wayers.

Which is why we shouldn't just throw Shumpert to the curb and keep trying to develop and own 2 way player

right now Shump is just an adequate defensive player and a below average offensive player.

Not that impressed with his defense this year either

yellowboy90 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

mreinman wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:I see a lot of talk about two way players but a lot of players people consider two way players are only one way players that are adequate defensive/offensive players.

I will take really good and adequate.

Agree ... very few 2 wayers.

Which is why we shouldn't just throw Shumpert to the curb and keep trying to develop and own 2 way player

right now Shump is just an adequate defensive player and a below average offensive player.

He should be given the rest of the year. No one is sold on THJ as starting SG because of his glaring defiencies. Next year I want this....

Draft a big and get Reggie Jackson to play SG and break down defenses with his ability to score from anywhere and get to the line

Calderon
Reggie
Melo
Ok4/Towns/Dakari/Stein
Servicable PF/C

in the mix:
shump, THJ, Wear, Thanasis, Early, Larkin

mreinman wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Nalod wrote:
Lowrey would have cost us a draft pick, be a long term contract, and not enough upside.
He is a very good player but he was not in huge demand and his maturity has been questioned.

I like Gasol and he is stepped it up a notch. He lost a lot of weight and the quickness seems to help.
COntract year performance? Can he sustain it?

Memphis has the best record in the league!!!! They are commited to a plan and without starphuching seemingly are "Spurs Lite"!
He went to high school there when Pau was the man and has been great. THat trade was lambasted at the time but really Memphis really did wel with it.
So did the Lakers!

Who knows what Memphis will pay to keep him and if its at all about money for him. Pau choose chicago because they are a good team and its a cultural diverse city with much to offer those interested in the Arts.
Does Marc seek similar? Would he thrive in the Triangle? No better city in the country if you want the Arts and Culture.

Aldridge?

Perhaps who we draft might determine who we mark for free agency.

KLove is free and Lebron can opt out. While I doubt Lebron leaves Cle, and Love is predicted to either stay or head out west, one might imagine he could do very well under Phish.

Those are the big names. The chess board has yet to be set. Will be interesting summer. Meanwhile, we got games to lose!

Lowry is worth the pick and certainly does have a huge upside.

I think Love would do really well here. He is having a rough start in cleveland but like Bosh, its hard for a stretch 4 to stand out with Lebron.

I think that we have a shot at him.

Maybe, but Bosh didn't have the range Love has. Love came in with the ability to shoot threes. I haven't looked at his stats lately but I bet his Fta's are down along with his other numbers. His trips to the line and lack of inside touches is making him more of a catch and shoot player.

Yes. Those numbers are down (usage, points, rebounds assists, fta's). His TS is creeping up though (very good 57.6, and I am sure that it will get better).

Let him just be efficient with the reduced numbers, that's fine.

I have read that his defense has been a problem. Lets see how that plays out.

I didn't expect his rebounds to be down but it has only been 15-17 games in the season for most teams. His TS will more than likely get better as his shooting returns.

I do not expect his defense to improve which is what will separate him from Bosh. Bosh is not a world beater but he is good and better than most 4s plus he will not kill you when you go small. I have seen Cleveland play Love as the 5 and that is like playing Amar'e at the 5, PnRs will be the death of them. Also, there would be no rim protection when he is on the weak side.

mreinman wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

mreinman wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:I see a lot of talk about two way players but a lot of players people consider two way players are only one way players that are adequate defensive/offensive players.

I will take really good and adequate.

Agree ... very few 2 wayers.

Which is why we shouldn't just throw Shumpert to the curb and keep trying to develop and own 2 way player

sorry man. you love the kid but you gotta cut the cord. don't you think you are being a bit biased with him? how would you feel about him if we did not draft him and he came as a second year player in the Denver trade?

He could care less about his game. He is in love with his hair. Isn't it obvious?

yellowboy90 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Nalod wrote:
Lowrey would have cost us a draft pick, be a long term contract, and not enough upside.
He is a very good player but he was not in huge demand and his maturity has been questioned.

I like Gasol and he is stepped it up a notch. He lost a lot of weight and the quickness seems to help.
COntract year performance? Can he sustain it?

Memphis has the best record in the league!!!! They are commited to a plan and without starphuching seemingly are "Spurs Lite"!
He went to high school there when Pau was the man and has been great. THat trade was lambasted at the time but really Memphis really did wel with it.
So did the Lakers!

Who knows what Memphis will pay to keep him and if its at all about money for him. Pau choose chicago because they are a good team and its a cultural diverse city with much to offer those interested in the Arts.
Does Marc seek similar? Would he thrive in the Triangle? No better city in the country if you want the Arts and Culture.

Aldridge?

Perhaps who we draft might determine who we mark for free agency.

KLove is free and Lebron can opt out. While I doubt Lebron leaves Cle, and Love is predicted to either stay or head out west, one might imagine he could do very well under Phish.

Those are the big names. The chess board has yet to be set. Will be interesting summer. Meanwhile, we got games to lose!

Lowry is worth the pick and certainly does have a huge upside.

I think Love would do really well here. He is having a rough start in cleveland but like Bosh, its hard for a stretch 4 to stand out with Lebron.

I think that we have a shot at him.

Maybe, but Bosh didn't have the range Love has. Love came in with the ability to shoot threes. I haven't looked at his stats lately but I bet his Fta's are down along with his other numbers. His trips to the line and lack of inside touches is making him more of a catch and shoot player.

Yes. Those numbers are down (usage, points, rebounds assists, fta's). His TS is creeping up though (very good 57.6, and I am sure that it will get better).

Let him just be efficient with the reduced numbers, that's fine.

I have read that his defense has been a problem. Lets see how that plays out.

I didn't expect his rebounds to be down but it has only been 15-17 games in the season for most teams. His TS will more than likely get better as his shooting returns.

I do not expect his defense to improve which is what will separate him from Bosh. Bosh is not a world beater but he is good and better than most 4s plus he will not kill you when you go small. I have seen Cleveland play Love as the 5 and that is like playing Amar'e at the 5, PnRs will be the death of them. Also, there would be no rim protection when he is on the weak side.

what bosh does for the defense, he loses in rebounds. Love is a much better rebounder and that makes a diff on defense as well.

not denying that love's defense is his definite shortcoming

mreinman wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

mreinman wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:I see a lot of talk about two way players but a lot of players people consider two way players are only one way players that are adequate defensive/offensive players.

I will take really good and adequate.

Agree ... very few 2 wayers.

Which is why we shouldn't just throw Shumpert to the curb and keep trying to develop and own 2 way player

right now Shump is just an adequate defensive player and a below average offensive player.

Not that impressed with his defense this year either

When a player regresses under a new culture

At what he supposedly was to excel at 4th yr into the league

I think it's time to move on, even if it means giving Than a look

gunsnewing wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

mreinman wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:I see a lot of talk about two way players but a lot of players people consider two way players are only one way players that are adequate defensive/offensive players.

I will take really good and adequate.

Agree ... very few 2 wayers.

Which is why we shouldn't just throw Shumpert to the curb and keep trying to develop and own 2 way player

right now Shump is just an adequate defensive player and a below average offensive player.

He should be given the rest of the year. No one is sold on THJ as starting SG because of his glaring defiencies. Next year I want this....

Draft a big and get Reggie Jackson to play SG and break down defenses with his ability to score from anywhere and get to the line

Calderon
Reggie
Melo
Ok4/Towns/Dakari/Stein
Servicable PF/C

in the mix:
shump, THJ, Wear, Thanasis, Early, Larkin

Reggie Jax seems like a terrible 3 point shooter. I think that will hurt him. Love his aggression in general though.

Since Eric Gordon is out probably until trade deadline

Jimmer and 1st 4 Shump

F500ONE wrote:I wouldn't mind trading him to the Pelicans[lotto protected]

Since Eric Gordon is out probably until trade deadline

Jimmer and 1st 4 Shump

Pelicans are not giving up a first for shump (at least I don't think they will).