there have been some duzzies but I think #1 has to be not getting Lowry for the price of a restricted pick--heck we have given away first round picks just to take salary. Lowry Tyson and melo wouldve been pretty tough to beat in the east.
Our owner truly is the dumbest tool in the shed when it comes to the NBA
BRIGGS wrote:there have been some duzzies but I think #1 has to be not getting Lowry for the price of a restricted pick--heck we have given away first round picks just to take salary. Lowry Tyson and melo wouldve been pretty tough to beat in the east.
Our owner truly is the dumbest tool in the shed when it comes to the NBA
Actually reports suggest Phil was in advisory mode
On the trade, keep in mind Mills already had agreed to
A structure of the trade, Dolan was flopping like a fish
In the background and who do you think he was consulting with
Thus came a veto of an agreed upon deal
Lowry is leading the MVP candidacy this season and has for a few weeks now
mreinman wrote:This one is on Phil.
Unfortunately he hasn't impressed yet
Any exec could have come here for $60mil
Given Melo, Melo Max
For the most part make a couple mediocre trades
While sitting on hands until 2015
It was the Bargs trade that did us in. Without the Bargs trade we definitely do the Lowry trade.
That is what happens when you F-up BIGTIME, puts you in F-up Protection Mode.
I think it would've taken a lot more to get Lowry than what was rumored and yea the Bargnani trade was a real doozy
gunsnewing wrote:I think it would've taken a lot more to get Lowry than what was rumored and yea the Bargnani trade was a real doozy
that is what makes me feel better at night.
yea he was already playing like an allstar. The only question was it sustainable but why would Toronto do the deal for what was rumored
earthmansurfer wrote:It was the Bargs trade that did us in. Without the Bargs trade we definitely do the Lowry trade.
That is what happens when you F-up BIGTIME, puts you in F-up Protection Mode.
The 2018 pick had no impact if our plans
Go as expected to be in contention by then
And while I get what you're saying the residual affect
From the Bargs trade put us in intensive care mode
You can't run your franchise that way
gunsnewing wrote:I think it would've taken a lot more to get Lowry than what was rumored and yea the Bargnani trade was a real doozy
Once again the trade was already agreed to
The price went up only after we backed out
And he began to play as you stated
gunsnewing wrote:yea he was already playing like an allstar. The only question was it sustainable but why would Toronto do the deal for what was rumored
because they thought that lowry was definitely not resigning. nobody resigns in toronto.
F500ONE wrote:mreinman wrote:This one is on Phil.
Unfortunately he hasn't impressed yet
Any exec could have come here for $60mil
Given Melo, Melo Max
For the most part make a couple mediocre trades
While sitting on hands until 2015
It's hard for me to imagine a worse GM performance so far actually. He made Melo the highest paid player on the planet and threw in a no trade clause. And he transformed a .450 team into a .250 team.
Bonn1997 wrote:F500ONE wrote:mreinman wrote:This one is on Phil.
Unfortunately he hasn't impressed yet
Any exec could have come here for $60mil
Given Melo, Melo Max
For the most part make a couple mediocre trades
While sitting on hands until 2015
It's hard for me to imagine a worse GM performance so far actually. He made Melo the highest paid player on the planet and threw in a no trade clause. And he transformed a .450 team into a .250 team.
a bit too early to judge. lets see where they are at this time next season. .250 team is not a bad thing.
mreinman wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:F500ONE wrote:mreinman wrote:This one is on Phil.
Unfortunately he hasn't impressed yet
Any exec could have come here for $60mil
Given Melo, Melo Max
For the most part make a couple mediocre trades
While sitting on hands until 2015
It's hard for me to imagine a worse GM performance so far actually. He made Melo the highest paid player on the planet and threw in a no trade clause. And he transformed a .450 team into a .250 team.
a bit too early to judge. lets see where they are at this time next season. .250 team is not a bad thing.
You could have a well-planned out tank to get a high pick like the Spurs did to get Duncan. However, it's a BAD sign if you're at .250
by accident. The problem is the same people who made the wrong decisions that led to .250 are making future decisions too. There have been plenty of instances where teams got top 5 picks, made bad choices, and got players who were awful. I'm not saying fire Phil right now. I don't think it's reasonable to put a positive spin on bad decisions and bad results though.
You're right that it's early. I meant simply that it's hard for me to imagine the start to a GM's performance being any worse.
mreinman wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:F500ONE wrote:mreinman wrote:This one is on Phil.
Unfortunately he hasn't impressed yet
Any exec could have come here for $60mil
Given Melo, Melo Max
For the most part make a couple mediocre trades
While sitting on hands until 2015
It's hard for me to imagine a worse GM performance so far actually. He made Melo the highest paid player on the planet and threw in a no trade clause. And he transformed a .450 team into a .250 team.
a bit too early to judge. lets see where they are at this time next season. .250 team is not a bad thing.
Keeping Melo was no doubt the centerpiece of Dolan-Phil deal.
Zen decided that this problem will resolve itself this way or another. And it will.
Dolan will get the money from Melomans and zen will get the top pick to work on rebuild and green light to trade everybody else as they suck around Melo.
Chess is the game you need to think many moves deep.
People forget that Lowry was a FREE AGENT. We could have traded a #1 pick for him , he could have signed somewhere else and we could have gotten no compensation. Or because he was now in "NY" he would have demanded and we would have paid a ridiculous contract to keep him. If we could have agreed to a contract extension then sure it was a no brainer but in basketball it doesnt work that way usually.
mreinman wrote:This one is on Phil.
Yeah you might be right. The only explanation I can come up with for Mills not making any moves last year was that Phil was on deck and wanted to be the orchestrator. Just speculation but adding Lowry would have fixed a lot last year.
I can think of worse but yes this was one of the worst decisions of recent memory
Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:F500ONE wrote:mreinman wrote:This one is on Phil.
Unfortunately he hasn't impressed yet
Any exec could have come here for $60mil
Given Melo, Melo Max
For the most part make a couple mediocre trades
While sitting on hands until 2015
It's hard for me to imagine a worse GM performance so far actually. He made Melo the highest paid player on the planet and threw in a no trade clause. And he transformed a .450 team into a .250 team.
a bit too early to judge. lets see where they are at this time next season. .250 team is not a bad thing.
You could have a well-planned out tank to get a high pick like the Spurs did to get Duncan. However, it's a BAD sign if you're at .250 by accident. The problem is the same people who made the wrong decisions that led to .250 are making future decisions too. There have been plenty of instances where teams got top 5 picks, made bad choices, and got players who were awful. I'm not saying fire Phil right now. I don't think it's reasonable to put a positive spin on bad decisions and bad results though. You're right that it's early. I meant simply that it's hard for me to imagine the start to a GM's performance being any worse.
SA tanked and got crazy lucky. Boston got screwed out of Duncan.
Def not a good start though ...
Lowry -> Chandler (mainly not unloading him last season) -> not trading shump -> Kerr -> Melo Contract -> ugly triangle
Give me a damn break
1)Absolutely 90% of the posters on this board did not approve of the trade because it required a 1st rnd pick, which none of you were willing to give toronto AGAIN..neither was dolan.
2)lowry wasn't playing anywhere close to 1st round pick material, and to give up shump, THJ and a 1st rounder seemed like highway robbery AGAIN..favoring Toronto.
3)It's not the player it's the coach, go look at everyones numbers prior to Casey taking over as head coach, and they almost sky rocketed right after he took over (atleast derozen), which is why he wanted Bargi and calderone the fck out, they can't defend.
knicks1248 wrote:Give me a damn break1)Absolutely 90% of the posters on this board did not approve of the trade because it required a 1st rnd pick, which none of you were willing to give toronto AGAIN..neither was dolan.
2)lowry wasn't playing anywhere close to 1st round pick material, and to give up shump, THJ and a 1st rounder seemed like highway robbery AGAIN..favoring Toronto.
3)It's not the player it's the coach, go look at everyones numbers prior to Casey taking over as head coach, and they almost sky rocketed right after he took over (atleast derozen), which is why he wanted Bargi and calderone the fck out, they can't defend.
I would have given up those 3 in a heartbeat for lowry last year.
Its not the coach its the player(s).
Lowry has always been highly efficient the difference in Toronto is his Usage rate.
Lowry has matured as a person and that credit may deserve to partly go to the coach.
