What a disastrous mistake. No wonder why teams want to keep moving him. He's a pure back up no questions asked. If we ended up with Mudiay I guess he could help transition him but he is NOT a winning player and hes only getting older. Seven and a half MILLION $ for the next two years??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? He eats a contract for a good player.
But what were you expecting from Calderon? I felt like this was already known before we traded for him. And I don't think there is anything wrong with him per say. He's just grossly overpaid and on a team that is awful. On a team like the Spurs or better yet, the Thunder, he'd be a valuable asset.
When I said picking up Will Bynum
Could be a good thing as he would challenge to start
I meant it, Calderon is a good dude
But sorry you can't take on an extra $11mil of salary
To get him over 3yrs simply disgraceful and CLUMSY trade by Phil
funny how 6 months ago he was the starting pg on a team that gave the spurs the most trouble.
Bad culture will turn good players into trash..
knicks1248 wrote:funny how 6 months ago he was the starting pg on a team that gave the spurs the most trouble.Bad culture will turn good players into trash..
He was only 4th in minutes and 11th in USG%; Monta Ellis was the primary ball handler on that team. I honestly like Calderon but as a role player, not as the 2nd or 3rd best player on a team. He isn't, if he ever was, one of the 15 best PG in the league.
knicks1248 wrote:funny how 6 months ago he was the starting pg on a team that gave the spurs the most trouble.Bad culture will turn good players into trash..
Bad Knicks fans will ruin a culture before it even has a chance to be implemented! Shame!
He would be a nice player if we had a really PG to play with him.
mreinman wrote:He would be a nice player if we had a really PG to play with him.
That's a joke, right? What good is getting a PG if he needs another PG to be on the court with him!
knicks1248 wrote:funny how 6 months ago he was the starting pg on a team that gave the spurs the most trouble.Bad culture will turn good players into trash..
but that team is much better off without him.
It's early but everything Phil has done has been a disaster so far. I'm starting to think he's just going to draft the next Kwame Brown or Eddy Curry.
VCoug wrote:knicks1248 wrote:funny how 6 months ago he was the starting pg on a team that gave the spurs the most trouble.Bad culture will turn good players into trash..
He was only 4th in minutes and 11th in USG%; Monta Ellis was the primary ball handler on that team. I honestly like Calderon but as a role player, not as the 2nd or 3rd best player on a team. He isn't, if he ever was, one of the 15 best PG in the league.
He isn't the 2nd or 3rd best PG on this team much less top 15 in the league...
holfresh wrote:VCoug wrote:knicks1248 wrote:funny how 6 months ago he was the starting pg on a team that gave the spurs the most trouble.Bad culture will turn good players into trash..
He was only 4th in minutes and 11th in USG%; Monta Ellis was the primary ball handler on that team. I honestly like Calderon but as a role player, not as the 2nd or 3rd best player on a team. He isn't, if he ever was, one of the 15 best PG in the league.
He isn't the 2nd or 3rd best PG on this team much less top 15 in the league...
Has he really been that bad? I haven't been keeping up with the games because of school and a sense of indifference but I have a hard time believing that Larkin and Prigioni are better than him.
Think of him as a $3mil back up for us- if we hadn't done the trade we would have been stuck with Feltons salary the next 2 years at $4.5mil each year. Deduct that from Jose's $7mil. So $2.5mil-$3mil for a backup PG who can shoot is okay. I was never a fan of his, but he could still be okay in the right role.
smackeddog wrote:Think of him as a $3mil back up for us- if we hadn't done the trade we would have been stuck with Feltons salary the next 2 years at $4.5mil each year. Deduct that from Jose's $7mil. So $2.5mil-$3mil for a backup PG who can shoot is okay. I was never a fan of his, but he could still be okay in the right role.
Yeah, it might have been an even deal if it was just a Felton-Calderon exchange. We take back triple the salary commitment but at least get a serviceable backup. (Still doesn't sound even when I type it out actually.) Including Tyson made the trade so ridiculous that everyone on Dallas message boards is still laughing at us.
It looks like Jimmy Dolan's habit of buying fan patience with expensive high profile moves is already losing steam with the Phil Jackson show.
Dolan's return on his splashy moves is always low. He is lucky when he gets one year of value out of a single five year contract.
The problem with this approach is you can't pull it off every year. He re-signed Melo and gave Phil his retirement plan, but there are no giant publicity signings next year, just some free agents who come to NYC to get paid.
With people already questioning Phil's acumen as a GM, there is already a tarnish on Dolan's shiny new toy.
Phil probably cannot fix much here. If he is serious about building a new culture, that will only happen with a completely new set of players and a clear game plan over five years. New cultures don't just sprout like magic beans.
I'm afraid Phil will be gone before five years, because this could be disastrous next year too. If it is, Dolan and Jackson will come to some sort of parting agreement and call it quits.
There is no way in hell Phil Jackson will be here for five years of this. He signed a loser star and saddled himself with the worst foundational player in the max category possible. Phil tried to psych himself into believing he could wave his wand and Melo would be like his other stars. Fat chance. Now he knows.
Phil Jackson has NEVER had to overcome having a squad with its core player being as defective as this. At his age and with his health issues, he will not have the stomach to deal with Melo and his BS. Phil is going to walk by the end of next season if things are not turning around. He will not stay if we are not a playoff team next season.
Bonn1997 wrote:smackeddog wrote:Think of him as a $3mil back up for us- if we hadn't done the trade we would have been stuck with Feltons salary the next 2 years at $4.5mil each year. Deduct that from Jose's $7mil. So $2.5mil-$3mil for a backup PG who can shoot is okay. I was never a fan of his, but he could still be okay in the right role.
Yeah, it might have been an even deal if it was just a Felton-Calderon exchange. We take back triple the salary commitment but at least get a serviceable backup. (Still doesn't sound even when I type it out actually.) Including Tyson made the trade so ridiculous that everyone on Dallas message boards is still laughing at us.
What magical treasures would we honestly have got if we'd kept Tyson this season and moved him at the deadline when he was a pending free agent? Name some realistic possibilities. Plus Tyson beasting would have either resulted in: a) we win 30 something games and miss the playoffs but also end up with a non-lottery draft pick, or b) Tyson quits trying just like last season due to all the losing.
Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:He would be a nice player if we had a really PG to play with him.
That's a joke, right? What good is getting a PG if he needs another PG to be on the court with him!
knicks1248 wrote:funny how 6 months ago he was the starting pg on a team that gave the spurs the most trouble.Bad culture will turn good players into trash..
but that team is much better off without him.
I don't think that's quite fair to Calderon. I think it's less that Dallas is better off without Calderon as much as they're better off with Tyson.
Bonn1997 wrote:It's early but everything Phil has done has been a disaster so far. I'm starting to think he's just going to draft the next Kwame Brown or Eddy Curry.
He really has been. My big fear is that he sends our first round pick to LAL in a package for Kobe this Summer. 
smackeddog wrote:Think of him as a $3mil back up for us- if we hadn't done the trade we would have been stuck with Feltons salary the next 2 years at $4.5mil each year. Deduct that from Jose's $7mil. So $2.5mil-$3mil for a backup PG who can shoot is okay. I was never a fan of his, but he could still be okay in the right role.
Felton only has one year left after this season; Calderon has two.
NardDogNation wrote:holfresh wrote:VCoug wrote:knicks1248 wrote:funny how 6 months ago he was the starting pg on a team that gave the spurs the most trouble.Bad culture will turn good players into trash..
He was only 4th in minutes and 11th in USG%; Monta Ellis was the primary ball handler on that team. I honestly like Calderon but as a role player, not as the 2nd or 3rd best player on a team. He isn't, if he ever was, one of the 15 best PG in the league.
He isn't the 2nd or 3rd best PG on this team much less top 15 in the league...
Has he really been that bad? I haven't been keeping up with the games because of school and a sense of indifference but I have a hard time believing that Larkin and Prigioni are better than him.
I would say Prigioni has been better, but I love Prigioni and think he's been the best PG on the team since he got here and probably the best we've had since Mark Jackson. Larkin hasn't been much of anything other than a 10-15 mpg backup; I would say Calderon's been better than him just on the basis of his 3pt shooting.
VCoug wrote:smackeddog wrote:Think of him as a $3mil back up for us- if we hadn't done the trade we would have been stuck with Feltons salary the next 2 years at $4.5mil each year. Deduct that from Jose's $7mil. So $2.5mil-$3mil for a backup PG who can shoot is okay. I was never a fan of his, but he could still be okay in the right role.
Felton only has one year left after this season; Calderon has two.
That 3rd year is kind of irrelevant- we'll be over the cap by then. $7mil expiring with the new monster cap in that third year should be moveable.
smackeddog wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:smackeddog wrote:Think of him as a $3mil back up for us- if we hadn't done the trade we would have been stuck with Feltons salary the next 2 years at $4.5mil each year. Deduct that from Jose's $7mil. So $2.5mil-$3mil for a backup PG who can shoot is okay. I was never a fan of his, but he could still be okay in the right role.
Yeah, it might have been an even deal if it was just a Felton-Calderon exchange. We take back triple the salary commitment but at least get a serviceable backup. (Still doesn't sound even when I type it out actually.) Including Tyson made the trade so ridiculous that everyone on Dallas message boards is still laughing at us.
What magical treasures would we honestly have got if we'd kept Tyson this season and moved him at the deadline when he was a pending free agent? Name some realistic possibilities. Plus Tyson beasting would have either resulted in: a) we win 30 something games and miss the playoffs but also end up with a non-lottery draft pick, or b) Tyson quits trying just like last season due to all the losing.
OKC is and always has been the most logical trade partner for Tyson. They have the assets we should have been looking for in any trade and a massive suck-hole at center in Kendrick Perkins. Cleveland is looking around the league for a center and they have a ton of assets. Phoenix could possibly be interested as well.
