4-19?, you gotta be kidding me.
There is no way to sugar coat the worst record in franchise history. Whatever the beef with any particular player, Woodson got more from the squad collectively, with less talent. To be certain, hindsight is more easy than foresight.
I miss Jeremy Lin.
He was a genius- he knew this ship of fools couldn't grasp any basketball strategies or system, so he didn't even bother trying to teach them anything that couldn't be summarised in two words: "switch" and "Iso-Melo", and kept it the same all year so as not to confuse them with change or adjustments.
misterearl wrote:4-19?, you gotta be kidding me.There is no way to sugar coat the worst record in franchise history. Whatever the beef with any particular player, Woodson got more from the squad collectively, with less talent. To be certain, hindsight is more easy than foresight.
I miss Jeremy Lin.
On a more serious note, any coach can make adjustments to have a short term spurt of wins. Fisher could drop the triangle and just run pick and rolls, 3pters and fast breaks- but what's the point, we'd just end up with a crap first round pick, and no foundations of a system. For the greater good, he needs to stick to his guns.
This is the year to tank. Why win? This team is not going to win a championship, and this is one of the few years we actually have a draft pick. THe Knicks should keep losing to try and get a top-5 pick and hopefully draft someone who can help the team in the future.
lol mike woodson. good one earl
misterearl wrote:4-19?, you gotta be kidding me.There is no way to sugar coat the worst record in franchise history. Whatever the beef with any particular player, Woodson got more from the squad collectively, with less talent. To be certain, hindsight is more easy than foresight.
I miss Jeremy Lin.
You may be right! On that one misterearl
I miss Rick Pitino & Rat-pat Riley
I miss Rick Pitino & Rat-pat Riley
DJMUSIC wrote:I miss Rick Pitino & Rat-pat Riley
Pitino's team was fun to watch. He's a coach who squeezed the juice out of limited talent. But he produced excitement with the full court press and the mayhem it created and the fast breaks it generated. These days you have to build around players with real character to get that kind of effort, something that appears harder and harder to do. Too many overpaid buttheads.
Woodhead did exactly what he was paid for...
He get a bunch of players with individual game and no team concept... drop-offs from NBA winning teams.
Outcasts and malcontents.
I think he did good.
Fish asked to install new culture and new system and test who is who and who is not helpless.
And he is doing a very good job at it.
We cannot lose this year - more losing just makes future brighter and brighter.
Woodson never got the credit he deserved...Woodson took this team as far as it could have gone..The second round and lost to a better Indiana team during his 54 win season...We saw the Knicks for exactly what they were..A one man show..The better team in Indiana exposed that and many of us couldn't accept it nor didn't we want to believe it..We should have won if it wasn't for the "coach" many cried..We are 4-19 now with essentially the same core minus flu Tyson and with a much better Amare...We didn't improve on it, so here we are...A new coach trying to find his way implementing his boss' system...Coaching is more than a system...It also means putting players in their best position to succeed..Woodson knew how to do that..Fisher has to learn this, among many other things...
holfresh wrote:Woodson never got the credit he deserved...Woodson took this team as far as it could have gone..The second round and lost to a better Indiana team during his 54 win season...We saw the Knicks for exactly what they were..A one man show..The better team in Indiana exposed that and many of us couldn't accept it nor didn't we want to believe it..We should have won if it wasn't for the "coach" many cried..We are 4-19 now with essentially the same core minus flu Tyson and with a much better Amare...We didn't improve on it, so here we are...A new coach trying to find his way implementing his boss' system...Coaching is more than a system...It also means putting players in their best position to succeed..Woodson knew how to do that..Fisher has to learn this, among many other things...
Even if Indy was better, that was still one of the worst playoff coaching performances of all time. Rewriting history now and trying to make out Mike Woodson to be a decent coach in the context of the team's current woes is completely invalid. Mike Woodson was a trash coach. The only point being made here today that holds any weight is we had a trash team then, just as we do know and Woodson at least green lighted our chuckers and let them run the asylum. That helped get us halfway up the mountain, but it was never going any higher than that. Woodson was a terrible coach.
Splat wrote:holfresh wrote:Woodson never got the credit he deserved...Woodson took this team as far as it could have gone..The second round and lost to a better Indiana team during his 54 win season...We saw the Knicks for exactly what they were..A one man show..The better team in Indiana exposed that and many of us couldn't accept it nor didn't we want to believe it..We should have won if it wasn't for the "coach" many cried..We are 4-19 now with essentially the same core minus flu Tyson and with a much better Amare...We didn't improve on it, so here we are...A new coach trying to find his way implementing his boss' system...Coaching is more than a system...It also means putting players in their best position to succeed..Woodson knew how to do that..Fisher has to learn this, among many other things...
Even if Indy was better, that was still one of the worst playoff coaching performances of all time. Rewriting history now and trying to make out Mike Woodson to be a decent coach in the context of the team's current woes is completely invalid. Mike Woodson was a trash coach. The only point being made here today that holds any weight is we had a trash team then, just as we do know and Woodson at least green lighted our chuckers and let them run the asylum. That helped get us halfway up the mountain, but it was never going any higher than that. Woodson was a terrible coach.
I don't have to rewrite history, it's already written..18-6 then 54 wins followed by a 37 win team...It's written..2 playoff appearance in 2 and 1/4 years..When was the last time that happened here..When will be the next time??
Through 23 games this season we're 4-19 which is fucking terrible. Through 23 games last season we were 7-16 only slightly less fucking terrible.
VCoug wrote:Through 23 games this season we're 4-19 which is fucking terrible. Through 23 games last season we were 7-16 only slightly less fucking terrible.
Yeah, but Tyson missed most of those games.
Bonn1997 wrote:VCoug wrote:Through 23 games this season we're 4-19 which is fucking terrible. Through 23 games last season we were 7-16 only slightly less fucking terrible.
Yeah, but Tyson missed most of those games.
JR's suspension..
Last year we were trying.
Nalod wrote:Last year we were trying.
We trying now which is scary...We are in games trying to win them..
holfresh wrote:Nalod wrote:Last year we were trying.
We trying now which is scary...We are in games trying to win them..
Yep. And Amare is playing well.
54 wins seems like a decade ago
holfresh wrote:Splat wrote:holfresh wrote:Woodson never got the credit he deserved...Woodson took this team as far as it could have gone..The second round and lost to a better Indiana team during his 54 win season...We saw the Knicks for exactly what they were..A one man show..The better team in Indiana exposed that and many of us couldn't accept it nor didn't we want to believe it..We should have won if it wasn't for the "coach" many cried..We are 4-19 now with essentially the same core minus flu Tyson and with a much better Amare...We didn't improve on it, so here we are...A new coach trying to find his way implementing his boss' system...Coaching is more than a system...It also means putting players in their best position to succeed..Woodson knew how to do that..Fisher has to learn this, among many other things...
Even if Indy was better, that was still one of the worst playoff coaching performances of all time. Rewriting history now and trying to make out Mike Woodson to be a decent coach in the context of the team's current woes is completely invalid. Mike Woodson was a trash coach. The only point being made here today that holds any weight is we had a trash team then, just as we do know and Woodson at least green lighted our chuckers and let them run the asylum. That helped get us halfway up the mountain, but it was never going any higher than that. Woodson was a terrible coach.
I don't have to rewrite history, it's already written..18-6 then 54 wins followed by a 37 win team...It's written..2 playoff appearance in 2 and 1/4 years..When was the last time that happened here..When will be the next time??
well said.
splat. History is written in the numbers.
