Don't think its the Triangle. Its the DEFENSE!!! Once we figure that out we will be good. He sugguest that we tear it down then what? We don't have a pick in 2016. Phil only has 5 years with this team.
SwishAndDish13 wrote:H1AND1 wrote:http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/12/sports...
Guy is probably just bitter that he bought into Phil's jedi mind tricks in the offseason.
Yeah, I feel bitter too- I was prepared to give Phil three months to prove himself, with no picks a crap, untradeable roster and 1 year of the MMLE to spend. He's really let me down.
The NY Times is rarely the first in line among local media to pitch worst case scenarios. That should tell you something about what's brewing.
Basically, now that Melo locked in his money, it is up to the Knicks to find a trading partner. Melo will bail and I think he'll agree to pretty much any club that is better than ours regardless of location. Melo will not stay to be booed for 5 years at MSG.
Everything us prescient sombers have been saying is reiterated in this article. The tide is turning.
I'm looking forward to a Knicks future without Carmelo Anthony.
Quote:
What George Karl, his former coach in Denver, told me about Anthony last spring was fair and astute: “I don’t think Melo understands that coming to work with the best attitude every single day is a precious commodity when you’re the best player,” he said. “That’s not the same thing as playing hard. That’s bringing the total package, 100 percent focused on all the little things. Those are rare breeds. Kevin Garnett. Michael Jordan. LeBron didn’t always have it, but he has it now. Melo doesn’t get an A in that department; maybe not much more than a B-minus.”
What Karl meant was that putting Anthony in the most optimal of conditions would involve having a player who may not be as productive and as much a brand-name star, but one who would hold more sway in the daily operation of the team.
The way Phil will sell this to the public is admitting the club as presently constructed is not capable of contending soon enough to capitalize on Melo's prime. Therefore, it will be of greater benefit to both Melo and the club that he contributes his talents to a club ready to win while we undergo the process of rebuilding.
Melo's vacation has started. New possibilities are being explored while he is kept off the floor. If we're lucky, they'll get a deal for him this season and start the ball rolling. If we can have multiple first round picks next year or one the following year, that would be great.
smackeddog wrote:SwishAndDish13 wrote:H1AND1 wrote:http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/12/sports...
Guy is probably just bitter that he bought into Phil's jedi mind tricks in the offseason.
Yeah, I feel bitter too- I was prepared to give Phil three months to prove himself, with no picks a crap, untradeable roster and 1 year of the MMLE to spend. He's really let me down.
Something tells me
Masai, Morey, Presti, Ainge
Would relish the opportunity to be stuck in this position
And defy the odds to come out of it in a short window
Splat wrote:The way Phil will sell this to the public is admitting the club as presently constructed is not capable of contending soon enough to capitalize on Melo's prime. Therefore, it will be of greater benefit to both Melo and the club that he contributes his talents to a club ready to win while we undergo the process of rebuilding.Melo's vacation has started. New possibilities are being explored while he is kept off the floor. If we're lucky, they'll get a deal for him this season and start the ball rolling. If we can have multiple first round picks next year or one the following year, that would be great.
I strongly doubt they will do this especially without a pick in 2016. If u gets picks back from a team that is outside of the lottery then it's not really worth it either. If we had our own 2106 pick, I would be in full agreement.
Maybe the "vacation" is to sit him while we deal with Chicago?
My thought is Melo is a lot of cap to move.
What lies beyond this season?????
WHile the doom and gloom of the article is convincing to supporting a deStarphization program, Im not so sure that Melo can't be part of a core after this season.
I also find it interesting fans want to give an unproven exec
An ambiguous amount of time to turn things around
Although the exec's first major move was a clear violation
In what a principled rebuild should look like
But these same fans will declare 1-3yr players finished products
And potential rebuilding blocks too green for their patience to turn a franchise around
For those full of ye faith here's a picture of what Dolan-Melo-Jackson looks like
Melo is not going anywhere. Phil is going to attempt to retool around him the same way the Celtics did with Pierce when he was 30 years old. They will use their draft pick to net an all-star via trade (unless Phil falls in love with a player in the draft) and then sell a free agent on the ability to join melo and that player in turning the franchise around. We should have 2 all-star talents next to Melo by next year, otherwise Phil has not done his job. From there he will need to add the necessary role players to fill every other role. But you can't trade Melo when you finally have a free agent period to add the right talent around him, especially when it is likely we will have a top 5 pick anyways. Trading Melo won't alter our draft position, so why bother? And without control of our pick the following season, there is zero upside in doing so.
Knixkik wrote:Melo is not going anywhere. Phil is going to attempt to retool around him the same way the Celtics did with Pierce when he was 30 years old. They will use their draft pick to net an all-star via trade (unless Phil falls in love with a player in the draft) and then sell a free agent on the ability to join melo and that player in turning the franchise around. We should have 2 all-star talents next to Melo by next year, otherwise Phil has not done his job. From there he will need to add the necessary role players to fill every other role. But you can't trade Melo when you finally have a free agent period to add the right talent around him, especially when it is likely we will have a top 5 pick anyways. Trading Melo won't alter our draft position, so why bother? And without control of our pick the following season, there is zero upside in doing so.
No more trading picks it one of the main reasons why we have been pretty bad the past 15 years
gonna be real easy to convince an FA to come here and play with these idiots.
Maybe we can do another Amare type signing but thats it.
Or we can just overpay for mid tier guys or flawed players.
yay
StarksEwing1 wrote:Knixkik wrote:Melo is not going anywhere. Phil is going to attempt to retool around him the same way the Celtics did with Pierce when he was 30 years old. They will use their draft pick to net an all-star via trade (unless Phil falls in love with a player in the draft) and then sell a free agent on the ability to join melo and that player in turning the franchise around. We should have 2 all-star talents next to Melo by next year, otherwise Phil has not done his job. From there he will need to add the necessary role players to fill every other role. But you can't trade Melo when you finally have a free agent period to add the right talent around him, especially when it is likely we will have a top 5 pick anyways. Trading Melo won't alter our draft position, so why bother? And without control of our pick the following season, there is zero upside in doing so.
No more trading picks it one of the main reasons why we have been pretty bad the past 15 years
If we get a top 3 pick, i would keep it. Seems like there are 3 real difference makers at this point who have star potential. But if you can get good value for a pick which is not a sure-fire impact player you do it. I get we did things this way and failed at it, but we also had lottery picks and did not draft the right players. We have been unsuccessful in both areas. Ultimately it will come down to who is available in the draft and who is available via trade.
Splat wrote:Knixkik wrote:Melo is not going anywhere. Phil is going to attempt to retool around him the same way the Celtics did with Pierce when he was 30 years old. They will use their draft pick to net an all-star via trade (unless Phil falls in love with a player in the draft) and then sell a free agent on the ability to join melo and that player in turning the franchise around. We should have 2 all-star talents next to Melo by next year, otherwise Phil has not done his job. From there he will need to add the necessary role players to fill every other role. But you can't trade Melo when you finally have a free agent period to add the right talent around him, especially when it is likely we will have a top 5 pick anyways. Trading Melo won't alter our draft position, so why bother? And without control of our pick the following season, there is zero upside in doing so.
Fat chance
Obviously it will be challenging, but this has to be the goal at this point if all goes well.
This paragraph sums it all up.
What George Karl, his former coach in Denver, told me about Anthony last spring was fair and astute: “I don’t think Melo understands that coming to work with the best attitude every single day is a precious commodity when you’re the best player,” he said. “That’s not the same thing as playing hard. That’s bringing the total package, 100 percent focused on all the little things. Those are rare breeds. Kevin Garnett. Michael Jordan. LeBron didn’t always have it, but he has it now. Melo doesn’t get an A in that department; maybe not much more than a B-minus.”
Knixkik wrote:Splat wrote:Knixkik wrote:Melo is not going anywhere. Phil is going to attempt to retool around him the same way the Celtics did with Pierce when he was 30 years old. They will use their draft pick to net an all-star via trade (unless Phil falls in love with a player in the draft) and then sell a free agent on the ability to join melo and that player in turning the franchise around. We should have 2 all-star talents next to Melo by next year, otherwise Phil has not done his job. From there he will need to add the necessary role players to fill every other role. But you can't trade Melo when you finally have a free agent period to add the right talent around him, especially when it is likely we will have a top 5 pick anyways. Trading Melo won't alter our draft position, so why bother? And without control of our pick the following season, there is zero upside in doing so.
Fat chance
Obviously it will be challenging, but this has to be the goal at this point if all goes well.
Doesn't have to be if you have the guts to assess the direction you're going in and change the game plan. It is not too late to commit to a full rebuild if you can find a trading partner for Melo.
Melo is going to be a hobbling mess. Rebuilding around him is just a complete and utter joke in the making. The most courageous thing Phil could do is realize he fukked up and unload Melo while he still has some value. Dolan can eat another few ten million dollar losses.
Splat wrote:Knixkik wrote:Splat wrote:Knixkik wrote:Melo is not going anywhere. Phil is going to attempt to retool around him the same way the Celtics did with Pierce when he was 30 years old. They will use their draft pick to net an all-star via trade (unless Phil falls in love with a player in the draft) and then sell a free agent on the ability to join melo and that player in turning the franchise around. We should have 2 all-star talents next to Melo by next year, otherwise Phil has not done his job. From there he will need to add the necessary role players to fill every other role. But you can't trade Melo when you finally have a free agent period to add the right talent around him, especially when it is likely we will have a top 5 pick anyways. Trading Melo won't alter our draft position, so why bother? And without control of our pick the following season, there is zero upside in doing so.
Fat chance
Obviously it will be challenging, but this has to be the goal at this point if all goes well.
Doesn't have to be if you have the guts to assess the direction you're going in and change the game plan. It is not too late to commit to a full rebuild if you can find a trading partner for Melo.
Melo is going to be a hobbling mess. Rebuilding around him is just a complete and utter joke in the making. The most courageous thing Phil could do is realize he fukked up and unload Melo while he still has some value. Dolan can eat another few ten million dollar losses.
is his contract tradeable?
The crucial trade for us is Amare to the Sixers for J Rich- we need the big trade exemption to round off the team after our 2015 free agent signings, as what's available in free agency and our limited budget won't be enough. I'd love to move Melo to the Bulls, but it ain't happening. If we're keeping him we need the trade exemption to trade for say Iggy or David Lee, or some other players who's teams are trying to shed some salary
mreinman wrote:Splat wrote:Knixkik wrote:Splat wrote:Knixkik wrote:Melo is not going anywhere. Phil is going to attempt to retool around him the same way the Celtics did with Pierce when he was 30 years old. They will use their draft pick to net an all-star via trade (unless Phil falls in love with a player in the draft) and then sell a free agent on the ability to join melo and that player in turning the franchise around. We should have 2 all-star talents next to Melo by next year, otherwise Phil has not done his job. From there he will need to add the necessary role players to fill every other role. But you can't trade Melo when you finally have a free agent period to add the right talent around him, especially when it is likely we will have a top 5 pick anyways. Trading Melo won't alter our draft position, so why bother? And without control of our pick the following season, there is zero upside in doing so.
Fat chance
Obviously it will be challenging, but this has to be the goal at this point if all goes well.
Doesn't have to be if you have the guts to assess the direction you're going in and change the game plan. It is not too late to commit to a full rebuild if you can find a trading partner for Melo.
Melo is going to be a hobbling mess. Rebuilding around him is just a complete and utter joke in the making. The most courageous thing Phil could do is realize he fukked up and unload Melo while he still has some value. Dolan can eat another few ten million dollar losses.
is his contract tradeable?
That's the big question. I don't think so, but I'd like to see them try.
