Knicks · The NBA Is Just Not That Good (page 2)

Splat wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

fishmike wrote:awesome. Check back in 4 years or so. You will be missed.

Hopefully you stick around amidst all the losing

But But But But Melo made the playoffs every yr except////lol

Henson Studios is preparing a new muppet character based on Fishmike called Grumblefuk.

These Melo Zealots and PollyAnnish Eager Beavers will stoop

To no end to eradicate those who have the opposing opinion of THE

Splat wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

fishmike wrote:awesome. Check back in 4 years or so. You will be missed.

Hopefully you stick around amidst all the losing

But But But But Melo made the playoffs every yr except////lol

Henson Studios is preparing a new muppet character based on Fishmike called Grumblefuk.

F5.. thats the best writing you have done since rejoining the forum. Something to be proud of

Splat///that would give you new pics to post! So look at the upside.

My name is splat and Melo ruined the NBA for me BWAAAAAAWAAAAA and now I just dont want to even be a Knick fan BWAAAAWAAAWWAAA. ITS JUST NOT FAIR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Seeing you babies cry, tilt and spin with threads like these on a daily basis are one of the most entertaining things I look forward to. So thanks for that.

F500ONE wrote:

Splat wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

fishmike wrote:awesome. Check back in 4 years or so. You will be missed.

Hopefully you stick around amidst all the losing

But But But But Melo made the playoffs every yr except////lol

Henson Studios is preparing a new muppet character based on Fishmike called Grumblefuk.

These Melo Zealots and PollyAnnish Eager Beavers will stoop

To no end to eradicate those who have the opposing opinion of THE

Jihad!

F5... boy, whatchoo goin do with dat there sling blade???

F5: reckon Im gonna kill me some Melo Zealots with it

5-21 brings out the worst in some, but only the strong will survive

I'm as vertical as I've ever been

F500ONE wrote:5-21 brings out the worst in some, but only the strong will survive

I'm as vertical as I've ever been

so the "Melo will waive his no-trade clause" viagra is still working?

fishmike wrote:

F500ONE wrote:5-21 brings out the worst in some, but only the strong will survive

I'm as vertical as I've ever been

so the "Melo will waive his no-trade clause" viagra is still working?

You're teetering on a Queens Bridge jump off

Bonn1997 wrote:Is there a better league elsewhere? Or are you just saying that basketball isn't enjoyable for you?

My question as well, it sounds as though he's just uninterested. How can you say the nba is low-level basketball when there is no higher standard to compare it to?

Dagger wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Is there a better league elsewhere? Or are you just saying that basketball isn't enjoyable for you?

My question as well, it sounds as though he's just uninterested. How can you say the nba is low-level basketball when there is no higher standard to compare it to?

its not a real discussion... its another one of these (from the topic starter):

I cannot watch this team with him as the centerpiece 4 more seasons after this. I'd rather give up watching sports than do that.

Melo is the antithesis of good basketball. He really has ruined my enjoyment of the Knicks being that everything has revolved around him and he is a black hole, not a source of light and hope.

You know... from the guy who complains about "emotional posters"

Dagger wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Is there a better league elsewhere? Or are you just saying that basketball isn't enjoyable for you?

My question as well, it sounds as though he's just uninterested. How can you say the nba is low-level basketball when there is no higher standard to compare it to?

fishmike wrote:

Dagger wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Is there a better league elsewhere? Or are you just saying that basketball isn't enjoyable for you?

My question as well, it sounds as though he's just uninterested. How can you say the nba is low-level basketball when there is no higher standard to compare it to?

its not a real discussion... its another one of these (from the topic starter):

I cannot watch this team with him as the centerpiece 4 more seasons after this. I'd rather give up watching sports than do that.

Melo is the antithesis of good basketball. He really has ruined my enjoyment of the Knicks being that everything has revolved around him and he is a black hole, not a source of light and hope.

You know... from the guy who complains about "emotional posters"

I don't enjoy the nba as much as I did in the 90s. Maybe that's me changing with age, maybe due to the Knicks sucking so long there are hardly any good rivalries for us anymore. But a lot of the stuff I used to like (gritty, physical defense, mid range game etc) has just gone- I just can't engage with this 3 point, no contact, free throw obsessed stuff. Star players (not named MJ) used to have to work a little more for their baskets because the refs wouldn't always bail them out (though they sometimes did), so you saw more inventive stuff sometimes. Todays league is more lightweight aimed at the mainstream- not saying thats wrong, but it's just not to my tastes as much

smackeddog wrote:I don't enjoy the nba as much as I did in the 90s. Maybe that's me changing with age, maybe due to the Knicks sucking so long there are hardly any good rivalries for us anymore. But a lot of the stuff I used to like (gritty, physical defense, mid range game etc) has just gone- I just can't engage with this 3 point, no contact, free throw obsessed stuff. Star players (not named MJ) used to have to work a little more for their baskets because the refs wouldn't always bail them out (though they sometimes did), so you saw more inventive stuff sometimes. Todays league is more lightweight aimed at the mainstream- not saying thats wrong, but it's just not to my tastes as much

Thanks for contributing your own POV about the game. Seems some here are more interested in hating other board members.

Yeah, I have to say the Knicks have had two defining eras in terms of the type of ball they were successful at. The 70s champs were the cream of the crop when it comes to the passing game and the 90s guys were entertaining in that grind it out era. The rivalries with Chicago and Miami and Indy were fierce and produced some exciting playoffs.

Golden State may be something special considering their backcourt, so I can see watching them in the playoffs as it will probably be pretty exciting. But the general style of play these days with the inside-outside game seems to rely on penetration as much as team passing.

What happens is when you have the right players for that, you may win the ring, but if one of them is injured the teams without a team style will often live and die by that one player. That's why SA was a good win for the NBA, but their ring and the way they got it may become rare.

Splat wrote:

smackeddog wrote:I don't enjoy the nba as much as I did in the 90s. Maybe that's me changing with age, maybe due to the Knicks sucking so long there are hardly any good rivalries for us anymore. But a lot of the stuff I used to like (gritty, physical defense, mid range game etc) has just gone- I just can't engage with this 3 point, no contact, free throw obsessed stuff. Star players (not named MJ) used to have to work a little more for their baskets because the refs wouldn't always bail them out (though they sometimes did), so you saw more inventive stuff sometimes. Todays league is more lightweight aimed at the mainstream- not saying thats wrong, but it's just not to my tastes as much

Thanks for contributing your own POV about the game. Seems some here are more interested in hating other board members.

Yeah, I have to say the Knicks have had two defining eras in terms of the type of ball they were successful at. The 70s champs were the cream of the crop when it comes to the passing game and the 90s guys were entertaining in that grind it out era. The rivalries with Chicago and Miami and Indy were fierce and produced some exciting playoffs.

Golden State may be something special considering their backcourt, so I can see watching them in the playoffs as it will probably be pretty exciting. But the general style of play these days with the inside-outside game seems to rely on penetration as much as team passing.

What happens is when you have the right players for that, you may win the ring, but if one of them is injured the teams without a team style will often live and die by that one player. That's why SA was a good win for the NBA, but their ring and the way they got it may become rare.

I think that Atlanta plays beautiful basketball.

Crazy but I enjoy them without any rooting interest.

smackeddog wrote:I don't enjoy the nba as much as I did in the 90s. Maybe that's me changing with age, maybe due to the Knicks sucking so long there are hardly any good rivalries for us anymore. But a lot of the stuff I used to like (gritty, physical defense, mid range game etc) has just gone- I just can't engage with this 3 point, no contact, free throw obsessed stuff. Star players (not named MJ) used to have to work a little more for their baskets because the refs wouldn't always bail them out (though they sometimes did), so you saw more inventive stuff sometimes. Todays league is more lightweight aimed at the mainstream- not saying thats wrong, but it's just not to my tastes as much

I miss rivalries as well. The player movement and all of these guys being best buds basically makes that impossible. Once they got rid of the hand-check, the 3 point festival was coming. There is way too much reliance on getting bailed out by refs and the 3 ball, but playing any other way wouldn't make a lot of sense under the current rules. I miss a more physical game, but I enjoy watching and have to accept that it's probably not ever going to go back to that.

Tangent on the FT comment - Harden makes me literally sick. This guy just barrels down the lane out of control flailing his arms all over and goes to the line with regularity. Most of those plays are either travels, offensive fouls, or no-calls. It is criminal that he gets FTs for this consistently. If they did this for every player, they could just have a FT contest instead of a game.

The physical game was also a bore at times. The lack of scoring with goons roaming the paint made for some awful games.

The games were intense but interest waned and rules were changed. Zone defense was a no no!!!

There's a time for basketball, and there's a time for practicing your kazoo skills. There's probably still good basketball being played, but personally I'm disengaged from it. It's not just the issue of winning or losing, but also the stories (as embellished as they may be.) Life's too short to spend watching something for three and half hours that holds no meaning. The last interesting story involving the Knicks that I can recall involved someone named Jeremy Lin.

So in order to be watchable and barely digestible, we need a court the size of a football field, college basketball, a return to the ever-popular plantation mentality of disposable players, 4 point plays, college basketball, white men who can jump, college basketball, a talent pool of short people who can compete with tall people, college basketball, a larger, heavier basketball, smaller baskets...

The pro game is about buckets, to quote a popular, albeit now pointless series of indie hoop film vignettes. It's the reason they widened the paint, instituted the shot clock, and recruited people like Wilt Chamberlain and Yao Ming. The basket is high off the ground. Gravity really sucks for those of us born with slow-twitch musculature and the economic impossibilites of training 4 hours a day to overcome that genetic misfortune. Wilt dominated the game statistically 50 years ago by simply playing above the rim when most of the league wasn't ready for a 7 foot track star. And yet groups of determined young men could still pour 140 points or so past the behemoth. You can't coach height, but that doesn't mean height always wins. Ask George Muresan or Manute Bol. If you want to get all gooey watching and dissecting fundamentals, try high school basketball. Or middle school basketball. I hear they even lower the rim for some games, and most coaches will revert to the five passes before shooting rule. That should get your need for purity in poetic motion fulfilled.

If you don't like the NBA game, watch soccer. It has everything you need in a short, non-height driven talent pool, where, for all I know, people get cut every other season. No, defense is never going to be popular and prioritized when the league is geared to pay the Lebrons and Durants and Melos of the world hundreds of millions for putting the ball in the hole. Bully, iso heroball can be dull when it's not working. Or it can be great when you're Lebron or Kobe or MJ and you can take over fourth quarters of games by sheer will and get chips while pumping your biceps at the crowd.

We are now complaining about a sport where there's too much athleticism for it to be truly enjoyable. Got it.

The league exists as a commercial enterprise, so the owners need players who put 20 thousand fannies in the seat every night over the long haul of a season. No one is going to spend hundreds of thousands on season tickets and corporate boxes in order to drool over how the Bruce Bowens of the world can change a game with an efficient close out (or clothesline) on a baseline drive. Those players who can bring in the gate, in turn, make disgusting amounts of money, knowing at any time that the knees can go at any time, and just about nobody will give a crap about you 5 years after your career is over. We covered all of this ad nauseum during the last lockout.

Pining away for weird rules and the Princeton offense and 50 point defensive battles is pointless. Instant replay has already ruined the game to a certain extent. Manipulating everything until the sport resembles some version of a self-playing March Madness Playstation game is the next step towards the death of sport in general.

whatever jrod. MElo ruined the NBA. Splat typed it in caps so it must be true

mreinman wrote:

Splat wrote:

smackeddog wrote:I don't enjoy the nba as much as I did in the 90s. Maybe that's me changing with age, maybe due to the Knicks sucking so long there are hardly any good rivalries for us anymore. But a lot of the stuff I used to like (gritty, physical defense, mid range game etc) has just gone- I just can't engage with this 3 point, no contact, free throw obsessed stuff. Star players (not named MJ) used to have to work a little more for their baskets because the refs wouldn't always bail them out (though they sometimes did), so you saw more inventive stuff sometimes. Todays league is more lightweight aimed at the mainstream- not saying thats wrong, but it's just not to my tastes as much

Thanks for contributing your own POV about the game. Seems some here are more interested in hating other board members.

Yeah, I have to say the Knicks have had two defining eras in terms of the type of ball they were successful at. The 70s champs were the cream of the crop when it comes to the passing game and the 90s guys were entertaining in that grind it out era. The rivalries with Chicago and Miami and Indy were fierce and produced some exciting playoffs.

Golden State may be something special considering their backcourt, so I can see watching them in the playoffs as it will probably be pretty exciting. But the general style of play these days with the inside-outside game seems to rely on penetration as much as team passing.

What happens is when you have the right players for that, you may win the ring, but if one of them is injured the teams without a team style will often live and die by that one player. That's why SA was a good win for the NBA, but their ring and the way they got it may become rare.

I think that Atlanta plays beautiful basketball.

Crazy but I enjoy them without any rooting interest.

They handled the Bulls last night

But once again Atlanta although 17-7

Isn't taken seriously, they're just Dirty Birds

Not sexy enough I guess to carry a conference with Fame & Glory

The other problem with the NBA are the fans themselves

They already have in mind what they want a team to look and play like

If it's not to their liking then they make attempts to Deface the Sphinx

Nalod wrote:The physical game was also a bore at times. The lack of scoring with goons roaming the paint made for some awful games.

The games were intense but interest waned and rules were changed. Zone defense was a no no!!!

This. It appears that people remember what they want to remember (or were not there to even see it). The Knicks of the 90's were an ugly team to watch and many complained about it. They were intense, hard nosed and goon-like on D....and static with plodding Iso (mainly Ewing) sets on O.

This thread was basically created for the OP to complain about his dissatisfaction with the Knicks while Melo is on the roster. With or without Melo the roster is poorly constructed. A high draft pick, a big FA signing and a few trades will certainly help.