Knicks · Why can't Carmelo ever say such a thing? (high IQ Vs. Low IQ) (page 3)
Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:tj23 wrote:Melo is a shooter. He looks a bit leaner this year and seems to be getting to the rim more than usual but he's LBJ is a natural attacker that draws more attention and is simply a better passer and superior athlete to help on the other end. Still, good play on both ends comes from high bball IQ and Melo, while improving, isn't anywhere near LBJ's level.improving? how?
That's a good question. He's basically the same player as, or slightly worse than, he was by 2007-8.I don't think that he played better for Denver than he has for NY. People keep saying that but its not true.
His best years were the last few years as a Knick. His numbers here have been very solid.
Worth 124 x 5 into his 30's? I don't think so ...
Are you referring to the .01% improvement in his TS%?
Oh you and your bloody increments! 
Splat wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:tj23 wrote:Melo is a shooter. He looks a bit leaner this year and seems to be getting to the rim more than usual but he's LBJ is a natural attacker that draws more attention and is simply a better passer and superior athlete to help on the other end. Still, good play on both ends comes from high bball IQ and Melo, while improving, isn't anywhere near LBJ's level.improving? how?
That's a good question. He's basically the same player as, or slightly worse than, he was by 2007-8.I don't think that he played better for Denver than he has for NY. People keep saying that but its not true.
His best years were the last few years as a Knick. His numbers here have been very solid.
Worth 124 x 5 into his 30's? I don't think so ...
Are you referring to the .01% improvement in his TS%?Oh you and your bloody increments!
Well there has been a .01% increase in his TS% and some have used that as an indication that he's become more efficient.
Bonn1997 wrote:Splat wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:tj23 wrote:Melo is a shooter. He looks a bit leaner this year and seems to be getting to the rim more than usual but he's LBJ is a natural attacker that draws more attention and is simply a better passer and superior athlete to help on the other end. Still, good play on both ends comes from high bball IQ and Melo, while improving, isn't anywhere near LBJ's level.improving? how?
That's a good question. He's basically the same player as, or slightly worse than, he was by 2007-8.I don't think that he played better for Denver than he has for NY. People keep saying that but its not true.
His best years were the last few years as a Knick. His numbers here have been very solid.
Worth 124 x 5 into his 30's? I don't think so ...
Are you referring to the .01% improvement in his TS%?Oh you and your bloody increments!
Well there has been a .01% increase in his TS% and some have used that as an indication that he's become more efficient.
It sucks that he only improved his wins share marginally too.
Bonn1997 wrote:Splat wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:tj23 wrote:Melo is a shooter. He looks a bit leaner this year and seems to be getting to the rim more than usual but he's LBJ is a natural attacker that draws more attention and is simply a better passer and superior athlete to help on the other end. Still, good play on both ends comes from high bball IQ and Melo, while improving, isn't anywhere near LBJ's level.improving? how?
That's a good question. He's basically the same player as, or slightly worse than, he was by 2007-8.I don't think that he played better for Denver than he has for NY. People keep saying that but its not true.
His best years were the last few years as a Knick. His numbers here have been very solid.
Worth 124 x 5 into his 30's? I don't think so ...
Are you referring to the .01% improvement in his TS%?Oh you and your bloody increments!
Well there has been a .01% increase in his TS% and some have used that as an indication that he's become more efficient.
553 -> 544 is certainly more efficient. Every pct point counts.
WS48 166 -> 125 .... that is a lot.
How was he a better nugget?
yellowboy90 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Splat wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:tj23 wrote:Melo is a shooter. He looks a bit leaner this year and seems to be getting to the rim more than usual but he's LBJ is a natural attacker that draws more attention and is simply a better passer and superior athlete to help on the other end. Still, good play on both ends comes from high bball IQ and Melo, while improving, isn't anywhere near LBJ's level.improving? how?
That's a good question. He's basically the same player as, or slightly worse than, he was by 2007-8.I don't think that he played better for Denver than he has for NY. People keep saying that but its not true.
His best years were the last few years as a Knick. His numbers here have been very solid.
Worth 124 x 5 into his 30's? I don't think so ...
Are you referring to the .01% improvement in his TS%?Oh you and your bloody increments!
Well there has been a .01% increase in his TS% and some have used that as an indication that he's become more efficient.It sucks that he only improved his wins share marginally too.
sarcastic? because that is not true.
mreinman wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Splat wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:tj23 wrote:Melo is a shooter. He looks a bit leaner this year and seems to be getting to the rim more than usual but he's LBJ is a natural attacker that draws more attention and is simply a better passer and superior athlete to help on the other end. Still, good play on both ends comes from high bball IQ and Melo, while improving, isn't anywhere near LBJ's level.improving? how?
That's a good question. He's basically the same player as, or slightly worse than, he was by 2007-8.I don't think that he played better for Denver than he has for NY. People keep saying that but its not true.
His best years were the last few years as a Knick. His numbers here have been very solid.
Worth 124 x 5 into his 30's? I don't think so ...
Are you referring to the .01% improvement in his TS%?Oh you and your bloody increments!
Well there has been a .01% increase in his TS% and some have used that as an indication that he's become more efficient.553 -> 544 is certainly more efficient. Every pct point counts.
WS48 166 -> 125 .... that is a lot.
How was he a better nugget?
Well you're counting his earlier Nuggets seasons. I was just talking about his prime. His peak was probably 2005-6 to 2013-14.
It's not clear a .01% increase in TS% is actually meaningful vs. random variation. A guy who shoots roughly .550 will bounce around that number by a few thousandths each year.
mreinman wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Splat wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:tj23 wrote:Melo is a shooter. He looks a bit leaner this year and seems to be getting to the rim more than usual but he's LBJ is a natural attacker that draws more attention and is simply a better passer and superior athlete to help on the other end. Still, good play on both ends comes from high bball IQ and Melo, while improving, isn't anywhere near LBJ's level.improving? how?
That's a good question. He's basically the same player as, or slightly worse than, he was by 2007-8.I don't think that he played better for Denver than he has for NY. People keep saying that but its not true.
His best years were the last few years as a Knick. His numbers here have been very solid.
Worth 124 x 5 into his 30's? I don't think so ...
Are you referring to the .01% improvement in his TS%?Oh you and your bloody increments!
Well there has been a .01% increase in his TS% and some have used that as an indication that he's become more efficient.It sucks that he only improved his wins share marginally too.
sarcastic? because that is not true.
Does every post need a smiley face? Yes, Sarcasm. See...
yellowboy90 wrote:mreinman wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Splat wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:tj23 wrote:Melo is a shooter. He looks a bit leaner this year and seems to be getting to the rim more than usual but he's LBJ is a natural attacker that draws more attention and is simply a better passer and superior athlete to help on the other end. Still, good play on both ends comes from high bball IQ and Melo, while improving, isn't anywhere near LBJ's level.improving? how?
That's a good question. He's basically the same player as, or slightly worse than, he was by 2007-8.I don't think that he played better for Denver than he has for NY. People keep saying that but its not true.
His best years were the last few years as a Knick. His numbers here have been very solid.
Worth 124 x 5 into his 30's? I don't think so ...
Are you referring to the .01% improvement in his TS%?Oh you and your bloody increments!
Well there has been a .01% increase in his TS% and some have used that as an indication that he's become more efficient.It sucks that he only improved his wins share marginally too.
sarcastic? because that is not true.
Does every post need a smiley face? Yes, Sarcasm. See...
Oh I actually thought it was serious. He improved his WS enough to go from being maybe the 5th or 6th to 3rd best player on a contender. You're right that's better than nothing but it's not enough for me to actually get excited about.
Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Splat wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:tj23 wrote:Melo is a shooter. He looks a bit leaner this year and seems to be getting to the rim more than usual but he's LBJ is a natural attacker that draws more attention and is simply a better passer and superior athlete to help on the other end. Still, good play on both ends comes from high bball IQ and Melo, while improving, isn't anywhere near LBJ's level.improving? how?
That's a good question. He's basically the same player as, or slightly worse than, he was by 2007-8.I don't think that he played better for Denver than he has for NY. People keep saying that but its not true.
His best years were the last few years as a Knick. His numbers here have been very solid.
Worth 124 x 5 into his 30's? I don't think so ...
Are you referring to the .01% improvement in his TS%?Oh you and your bloody increments!
Well there has been a .01% increase in his TS% and some have used that as an indication that he's become more efficient.553 -> 544 is certainly more efficient. Every pct point counts.
WS48 166 -> 125 .... that is a lot.
How was he a better nugget?
Well you're counting his earlier Nuggets seasons. I was just talking about his prime. His peak was probably 2005-6 to 2013-14.
It's not clear a .01% increase in TS% is actually meaningful vs. random variation. A guy who shoots roughly .550 will bounce around that number by a few thousandths each year.
based on the WS jump it seems that he is a better knick than a nugget (regardless of which nugget years you would like to eliminate)
I did not check WP's yet since the site is down.
Bonn1997 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:mreinman wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Splat wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:tj23 wrote:Melo is a shooter. He looks a bit leaner this year and seems to be getting to the rim more than usual but he's LBJ is a natural attacker that draws more attention and is simply a better passer and superior athlete to help on the other end. Still, good play on both ends comes from high bball IQ and Melo, while improving, isn't anywhere near LBJ's level.improving? how?
That's a good question. He's basically the same player as, or slightly worse than, he was by 2007-8.I don't think that he played better for Denver than he has for NY. People keep saying that but its not true.
His best years were the last few years as a Knick. His numbers here have been very solid.
Worth 124 x 5 into his 30's? I don't think so ...
Are you referring to the .01% improvement in his TS%?Oh you and your bloody increments!
Well there has been a .01% increase in his TS% and some have used that as an indication that he's become more efficient.It sucks that he only improved his wins share marginally too.
sarcastic? because that is not true.
Does every post need a smiley face? Yes, Sarcasm. See...
Oh I actually thought it was serious. He improved his WS enough to go from being maybe the 5th or 6th to 3rd best player on a contender. You're right that's better than nothing but it's not enough for me to actually get excited about.
no need to get excited ... we are not saying he is great but its a fallacy to say that he was better as a nugget (or even the same).
He has been better as a knick
Bonn1997 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:mreinman wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Splat wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:tj23 wrote:Melo is a shooter. He looks a bit leaner this year and seems to be getting to the rim more than usual but he's LBJ is a natural attacker that draws more attention and is simply a better passer and superior athlete to help on the other end. Still, good play on both ends comes from high bball IQ and Melo, while improving, isn't anywhere near LBJ's level.improving? how?
That's a good question. He's basically the same player as, or slightly worse than, he was by 2007-8.I don't think that he played better for Denver than he has for NY. People keep saying that but its not true.
His best years were the last few years as a Knick. His numbers here have been very solid.
Worth 124 x 5 into his 30's? I don't think so ...
Are you referring to the .01% improvement in his TS%?Oh you and your bloody increments!
Well there has been a .01% increase in his TS% and some have used that as an indication that he's become more efficient.It sucks that he only improved his wins share marginally too.
sarcastic? because that is not true.
Does every post need a smiley face? Yes, Sarcasm. See...
Oh I actually thought it was serious. He improved his WS enough to go from being maybe the 5th or 6th to 3rd best player on a contender. You're right that's better than nothing but it's not enough for me to actually get excited about.
Oh, I thought they were saying he did not improve as a knick than when he was a nugget.
yellowboy90 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:mreinman wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Splat wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:tj23 wrote:Melo is a shooter. He looks a bit leaner this year and seems to be getting to the rim more than usual but he's LBJ is a natural attacker that draws more attention and is simply a better passer and superior athlete to help on the other end. Still, good play on both ends comes from high bball IQ and Melo, while improving, isn't anywhere near LBJ's level.improving? how?
That's a good question. He's basically the same player as, or slightly worse than, he was by 2007-8.I don't think that he played better for Denver than he has for NY. People keep saying that but its not true.
His best years were the last few years as a Knick. His numbers here have been very solid.
Worth 124 x 5 into his 30's? I don't think so ...
Are you referring to the .01% improvement in his TS%?Oh you and your bloody increments!
Well there has been a .01% increase in his TS% and some have used that as an indication that he's become more efficient.It sucks that he only improved his wins share marginally too.
sarcastic? because that is not true.
Does every post need a smiley face? Yes, Sarcasm. See...
Oh I actually thought it was serious. He improved his WS enough to go from being maybe the 5th or 6th to 3rd best player on a contender. You're right that's better than nothing but it's not enough for me to actually get excited about.Oh, I thought they were saying he did not improve as a knick than when he was a nugget.
Me too
mreinman wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:mreinman wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Splat wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:tj23 wrote:Melo is a shooter. He looks a bit leaner this year and seems to be getting to the rim more than usual but he's LBJ is a natural attacker that draws more attention and is simply a better passer and superior athlete to help on the other end. Still, good play on both ends comes from high bball IQ and Melo, while improving, isn't anywhere near LBJ's level.improving? how?
That's a good question. He's basically the same player as, or slightly worse than, he was by 2007-8.I don't think that he played better for Denver than he has for NY. People keep saying that but its not true.
His best years were the last few years as a Knick. His numbers here have been very solid.
Worth 124 x 5 into his 30's? I don't think so ...
Are you referring to the .01% improvement in his TS%?Oh you and your bloody increments!
Well there has been a .01% increase in his TS% and some have used that as an indication that he's become more efficient.It sucks that he only improved his wins share marginally too.
sarcastic? because that is not true.
Does every post need a smiley face? Yes, Sarcasm. See...
Oh I actually thought it was serious. He improved his WS enough to go from being maybe the 5th or 6th to 3rd best player on a contender. You're right that's better than nothing but it's not enough for me to actually get excited about.no need to get excited ... we are not saying he is great but its a fallacy to say that he was better as a nugget (or even the same).
He has been better as a knick
You're not saying he's great but you're saying he's pretty damn good? I would agree that he has been a little better as a Knick but that's only if you exclude this season. It's a marginal difference though - he still doesn't have the WS% of even a top 4 player on a contender.
mreinman wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:mreinman wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Splat wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:tj23 wrote:Melo is a shooter. He looks a bit leaner this year and seems to be getting to the rim more than usual but he's LBJ is a natural attacker that draws more attention and is simply a better passer and superior athlete to help on the other end. Still, good play on both ends comes from high bball IQ and Melo, while improving, isn't anywhere near LBJ's level.improving? how?
That's a good question. He's basically the same player as, or slightly worse than, he was by 2007-8.I don't think that he played better for Denver than he has for NY. People keep saying that but its not true.
His best years were the last few years as a Knick. His numbers here have been very solid.
Worth 124 x 5 into his 30's? I don't think so ...
Are you referring to the .01% improvement in his TS%?Oh you and your bloody increments!
Well there has been a .01% increase in his TS% and some have used that as an indication that he's become more efficient.It sucks that he only improved his wins share marginally too.
sarcastic? because that is not true.
Does every post need a smiley face? Yes, Sarcasm. See...
Oh I actually thought it was serious. He improved his WS enough to go from being maybe the 5th or 6th to 3rd best player on a contender. You're right that's better than nothing but it's not enough for me to actually get excited about.Oh, I thought they were saying he did not improve as a knick than when he was a nugget.
Me too
No, I cited one Denver season and I guess Mreinmen and you thought I meant his entire Nugget career.
Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:mreinman wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Splat wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:tj23 wrote:Melo is a shooter. He looks a bit leaner this year and seems to be getting to the rim more than usual but he's LBJ is a natural attacker that draws more attention and is simply a better passer and superior athlete to help on the other end. Still, good play on both ends comes from high bball IQ and Melo, while improving, isn't anywhere near LBJ's level.improving? how?
That's a good question. He's basically the same player as, or slightly worse than, he was by 2007-8.I don't think that he played better for Denver than he has for NY. People keep saying that but its not true.
His best years were the last few years as a Knick. His numbers here have been very solid.
Worth 124 x 5 into his 30's? I don't think so ...
Are you referring to the .01% improvement in his TS%?Oh you and your bloody increments!
Well there has been a .01% increase in his TS% and some have used that as an indication that he's become more efficient.It sucks that he only improved his wins share marginally too.
sarcastic? because that is not true.
Does every post need a smiley face? Yes, Sarcasm. See...
Oh I actually thought it was serious. He improved his WS enough to go from being maybe the 5th or 6th to 3rd best player on a contender. You're right that's better than nothing but it's not enough for me to actually get excited about.Oh, I thought they were saying he did not improve as a knick than when he was a nugget.
Me too
No, I cited one Denver season and I guess Mreinmen and you thought I meant his entire Nugget career.
yes ... thats what I thought. And, many posters make this mistake.
Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:mreinman wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Splat wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:tj23 wrote:Melo is a shooter. He looks a bit leaner this year and seems to be getting to the rim more than usual but he's LBJ is a natural attacker that draws more attention and is simply a better passer and superior athlete to help on the other end. Still, good play on both ends comes from high bball IQ and Melo, while improving, isn't anywhere near LBJ's level.improving? how?
That's a good question. He's basically the same player as, or slightly worse than, he was by 2007-8.I don't think that he played better for Denver than he has for NY. People keep saying that but its not true.
His best years were the last few years as a Knick. His numbers here have been very solid.
Worth 124 x 5 into his 30's? I don't think so ...
Are you referring to the .01% improvement in his TS%?Oh you and your bloody increments!
Well there has been a .01% increase in his TS% and some have used that as an indication that he's become more efficient.It sucks that he only improved his wins share marginally too.
sarcastic? because that is not true.
Does every post need a smiley face? Yes, Sarcasm. See...
Oh I actually thought it was serious. He improved his WS enough to go from being maybe the 5th or 6th to 3rd best player on a contender. You're right that's better than nothing but it's not enough for me to actually get excited about.no need to get excited ... we are not saying he is great but its a fallacy to say that he was better as a nugget (or even the same).
He has been better as a knick
You're not saying he's great but you're saying he's pretty damn good? I would agree that he has been a little better as a Knick but that's only if you exclude this season. It's a marginal difference though - he still doesn't have the WS% of even a top 4 player on a contender.
Really?
Tony Parker had a .120 last season.
mreinman wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:mreinman wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Splat wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:tj23 wrote:Melo is a shooter. He looks a bit leaner this year and seems to be getting to the rim more than usual but he's LBJ is a natural attacker that draws more attention and is simply a better passer and superior athlete to help on the other end. Still, good play on both ends comes from high bball IQ and Melo, while improving, isn't anywhere near LBJ's level.improving? how?
That's a good question. He's basically the same player as, or slightly worse than, he was by 2007-8.I don't think that he played better for Denver than he has for NY. People keep saying that but its not true.
His best years were the last few years as a Knick. His numbers here have been very solid.
Worth 124 x 5 into his 30's? I don't think so ...
Are you referring to the .01% improvement in his TS%?Oh you and your bloody increments!
Well there has been a .01% increase in his TS% and some have used that as an indication that he's become more efficient.It sucks that he only improved his wins share marginally too.
sarcastic? because that is not true.
Does every post need a smiley face? Yes, Sarcasm. See...
Oh I actually thought it was serious. He improved his WS enough to go from being maybe the 5th or 6th to 3rd best player on a contender. You're right that's better than nothing but it's not enough for me to actually get excited about.no need to get excited ... we are not saying he is great but its a fallacy to say that he was better as a nugget (or even the same).
He has been better as a knick
You're not saying he's great but you're saying he's pretty damn good? I would agree that he has been a little better as a Knick but that's only if you exclude this season. It's a marginal difference though - he still doesn't have the WS% of even a top 4 player on a contender.Really?
Tony Parker had a .120 last season.
Parker did not have the WS% of a top 4 player on a contending team either last year! That's barely better than the WS% of the average NBA player actually.