Was Felton and Chandler & Woodson that great of a supporting cast?
I keep saying - but if Melo really is this All Star caliber player, even with a collection of misfits, we should be better.
If Melo is so great, who is holding him back? Who is sabotaging him from winning us a few more games?
Is Fisher this bad of a coach? I mean, if Melo really is this great, then you should be able to pull any coach- someone off the street even- and we would win more than 5 games.
If you believe Melo is this great player, deserving of his massive contract, explain how we are so bad.
uh ... the one on five rule?
franco12 wrote:Was Felton and Chandler & Woodson that great of a supporting cast?I keep saying - but if Melo really is this All Star caliber player, even with a collection of misfits, we should be better.
If Melo is so great, who is holding him back? Who is sabotaging him from winning us a few more games?
Is Fisher this bad of a coach? I mean, if Melo really is this great, then you should be able to pull any coach- someone off the street even- and we would win more than 5 games.
If you believe Melo is this great player, deserving of his massive contract, explain how we are so bad.
Its like a call for haters to circle jerk!
mreinman wrote:uh ... the one into five rule?
I like that rule. Here's 5,000 bucks. I expect my 25 grand by the morning.
NNobody believes his worthy of the contract.I am honestly getting tired of this Melo bashing crap
TPercy wrote:NNobody believes his worthy of the contract.I am honestly getting tired of this Melo bashing crap
Just say what you like about him instead of focusing on what others say. What is he worthy of?
You're right. It doesn't add up. Melo is simply the highest PPG player on the team and so he'll get way too much credit for our wins and way too much blame for our losses. He doesn't actually have a big impact on team's W-L records. If you track how his teams do season to season, it's easy to spot the players whose arrivals and departures actually did correspond to changes in the W-L records. His arrival and departure doesn't really impact his teams much though.
He is a great scorer but doesnt have great overall basketball talent. He is the perfect 2nd guy on a contending team. Im happy with melo but he just isnt the type of player that can carry a team which is rare anyway
Bonn1997 wrote:You're right. It doesn't add up. Melo is simply the highest PPG player on the team and so he'll get way too much credit for our wins and way too much blame for our losses. He doesn't actually have a big impact on team's W-L records. If you track how his teams do season to season, it's easy to spot the players whose arrivals and departures actually did correspond to changes in the W-L records. His arrival and departure doesn't really impact his teams much though.
vacuuming?
His WS48 is 166 as a knick. Thats pretty damn good.
I guess we can say that WS is completely flawed (not just rebound inflation)
mreinman wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:You're right. It doesn't add up. Melo is simply the highest PPG player on the team and so he'll get way too much credit for our wins and way too much blame for our losses. He doesn't actually have a big impact on team's W-L records. If you track how his teams do season to season, it's easy to spot the players whose arrivals and departures actually did correspond to changes in the W-L records. His arrival and departure doesn't really impact his teams much though.
vacuuming?
His WS48 is 166 as a knick. Thats pretty damn good.
I guess we can say that WS is completely flawed (not just rebound inflation)
Eh, that might be good enough to be the 3rd or 4th best player on a championship team.
It's simple - put any other max player in his place or 2-3 solid 2-way players for the same salary and the result will be much better.
Basically it is better on 23-25 NBA teams at minimum.
But to be fair it is not Melo fault by any stretch.
I would say it makes him a good businessman and his agents team a great business.
May be it is not so hard to be that great with so many idiotic organizations in NBA but still some good peace of work.
He is celeb and entertainer also. Even his stupid statements makes him money by putting him in more spotlights.
Great guy I would never want on my organization of any kind.
arkrud wrote:It's simple - put any other max player in his place or 2-3 solid 2-way players for the same salary and the result will be much better.
Basically it is better on 23-25 NBA teams at minimum.
But to be fair it is not Melo fault by any stretch.
I would say it makes him a good businessman and his agents team a great business.
May be it is not so hard to be that great with so many idiotic organizations in NBA but still some good peace of work.
He is celeb and entertainer also. Even his stupid statements makes him money by putting him in more spotlights.
Great guy I would never want on my organization of any kind.
that is the key ... he prints cash for D
mreinman wrote:arkrud wrote:It's simple - put any other max player in his place or 2-3 solid 2-way players for the same salary and the result will be much better.
Basically it is better on 23-25 NBA teams at minimum.
But to be fair it is not Melo fault by any stretch.
I would say it makes him a good businessman and his agents team a great business.
May be it is not so hard to be that great with so many idiotic organizations in NBA but still some good peace of work.
He is celeb and entertainer also. Even his stupid statements makes him money by putting him in more spotlights.
Great guy I would never want on my organization of any kind.
that is the key ... he prints cash for D
That's why he stays with us too.
alwaysaknick wrote:mreinman wrote:arkrud wrote:It's simple - put any other max player in his place or 2-3 solid 2-way players for the same salary and the result will be much better.
Basically it is better on 23-25 NBA teams at minimum.
But to be fair it is not Melo fault by any stretch.
I would say it makes him a good businessman and his agents team a great business.
May be it is not so hard to be that great with so many idiotic organizations in NBA but still some good peace of work.
He is celeb and entertainer also. Even his stupid statements makes him money by putting him in more spotlights.
Great guy I would never want on my organization of any kind.
that is the key ... he prints cash for D
That's why he stays with us too.
true ... though with him wanting to be respected, he must really be torn
All comes down to the Knicks crappy organization and owners and will always be this way untill I am convinced.
It takes a genius like Mike Woodson to bring out the best in him.
That Heat team with Wade and Shaq in 2007-8 only won 15 games. Lakers with Kobe only won 34 games in 2004-5. Shit happens.
Replace Melo with Durant- how many more games do we win? yeah, exactly. We're a bad team that doesn't defend well or rebound- Melo is mainly a scorer, but if the team isn't defend, rebounding or shooting well, then it renders his contribution pretty much irrelevant.
smackeddog wrote:That Heat team with Wade and Shaq in 2007-8 only won 15 games. Lakers with Kobe only won 34 games in 2004-5. Shit happens.
34 games is more than double our winning percentage. I'm not a Kobe fan by any stretch though. Shaq and Wade both missed half the season that year.
smackeddog wrote:Replace Melo with Durant- how many more games do we win? yeah, exactly. We're a bad team that doesn't defend well or rebound- Melo is mainly a scorer, but if the team isn't defend, rebounding or shooting well, then it renders his contribution pretty much irrelevant.
The nice thing is we have stats that can answer this question (not perfectly but better than any eyeball assessment). Over the past 3 years, Durant has contributed about 49 win shares and Melo 26. So that's about 8 more wins a season with Durant - about 100 winning percentage points. If Melo continues to play at this current level though he'll be below what I cited during that 3 year stretch and the difference will be larger.
smackeddog wrote:Replace Melo with Durant- how many more games do we win? yeah, exactly. We're a bad team that doesn't defend well or rebound- Melo is mainly a scorer, but if the team isn't defend, rebounding or shooting well, then it renders his contribution pretty much irrelevant.
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