CrushAlot wrote:Or maybe he was convinced by Phil that he could make more money and win a title in NY. Phil played a role in Melo coming back.
Phil minus $124M = No deal and buh bye NYC. Phil stroked Melo and made him feel better about taking the paycheck, but he was taking that money whether it was Phil talking or Mr. Magoo.
So, NO, Phil was not a factor at all. He was just a cherry on top.
Splat wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Or maybe he was convinced by Phil that he could make more money and win a title in NY. Phil played a role in Melo coming back.
Phil minus $124M = No deal and buh bye NYC. Phil stroked Melo and made him feel better about taking the paycheck, but he was taking that money whether it was Phil talking or Mr. Magoo.
So, NO, Phil was not a factor at all. He was just a cherry on top.
Melo would have taken $124mil of blood money from Judas Iscariot
As would maybe the greater majority of other athletes but I think
We all need to see how culpable Phil is in all of this
Who has now been overpowered by Zen opposition and has turned full blown enabler
F500ONE wrote:DK kind of like sitting out vs the Bulls because of some mythical shot kneeBut then coming back 2 days later only to put up 19FGA and 26FGA and playing 40/40min
Nothing like Phil Jackson enabling a loser while throwing the team
Under the bus as losers in mentality but then again how does the rotting process go
from the head down, 5 hunnit
CrushAlot wrote:dk7th wrote:CrushAlot wrote:dk7th wrote:F500ONE wrote:The main premise of this thread was to questionWhy Melo "feels it's okay to rebuild here while on his dime"
He left Denver happy but didn't want to do it there
When that team proved they could if the stars aligned right
Get close to the promise land
The dude is inexplicably selfish and stupid beyond
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2014 37-45
2015 24-58
looks to me like he hurt his own chances at success on the court by forcing his way here, and ruined his future on the court by "accepting" the max contract "offered" to him after some "soul searching."
fortunately he wasn't banking on winning on the court since he didn't have faith that he could, so the next best thing-- if not THE best thing-- was to leave no money on the table and make himself into a "digital athlete."
Interesting. Now Melo is getting credit for making the smart decision. I wonder what Phil's goal is as he played a major role in Melo coming back.
no his decision was the opposite of smart-- it was the essence of:
1) weak-mindedness (i can't win because i am not good enough so i might as well make as much money as possible and cry all the way to the bank)
2) a weak-will (i don't have what it takes to win a title so i might as well get as much money as possible and buffer myself from this reality)
3) cowardice (i don't want to lose millions without feeling certain i can win a title and i don't have the self-confidence to make that decision)
Or maybe he was convinced by Phil that he could make more money and win a title in NY. Phil played a role in Melo coming back.
did he really though? or did phil ask him to do one thing-- take a substantial paycut-- and melo did "exactly what he was sort of asked to do?"
dk7th wrote:F500ONE wrote:DK kind of like sitting out vs the Bulls because of some mythical shot kneeBut then coming back 2 days later only to put up 19FGA and 26FGA and playing 40/40min
Nothing like Phil Jackson enabling a loser while throwing the team
Under the bus as losers in mentality but then again how does the rotting process go
from the head down, 5 hunnit
Has it been too difficult to identify the head?
I'm pretty much past Dolan at this point
He's a scumbag but he has relented and done what most
Would prefer he do, hand the team over and disappear
Now we're worse than LB[boy was he right about this environment] Knicks
Not by design though, which is so sad///// I think Phil brought in 9 different
Players this yr so it's his team and he'll shuffle the deck again, no stability
Very short sell outside of money, in which he'll be in heavy competition with
Can't wait for him to write a book in about 5yrs where he truth tells
As of of now he's sold the least amount of lemon luxury vehicles compared to previous regimes
F500ONE wrote:dk7th wrote:F500ONE wrote:DK kind of like sitting out vs the Bulls because of some mythical shot kneeBut then coming back 2 days later only to put up 19FGA and 26FGA and playing 40/40min
Nothing like Phil Jackson enabling a loser while throwing the team
Under the bus as losers in mentality but then again how does the rotting process go
from the head down, 5 hunnit
Has it been too difficult to identify the head?
I'm pretty much past Dolan at this point
He's a scumbag but he has relented and done what most
Would prefer he do, hand the team over and disappear
Now we're worse than LB[boy was he right about this environment] Knicks
Not by design though, which is so sad///// I think Phil brought in 9 different
Players this yr so it's his team and he'll shuffle the deck again, no stability
Very short sell outside of money, in which he'll be in heavy competition with
Can't wait for him to write a book in about 5yrs where he truth tells
As of of now he's sold the least amount of lemon luxury vehicles compared to previous regimes
i would love to lay 100% of the blame at jackson's feet but it's the phrasing of that damned statement that gets me:
"melo did exactly what we sort of asked him to do." who is "we" if not dolan's involvement and what does "sort of" mean if not dolan's involvement?
i can't see past that phraseology.
dk7th wrote:CrushAlot wrote:dk7th wrote:CrushAlot wrote:dk7th wrote:F500ONE wrote:The main premise of this thread was to questionWhy Melo "feels it's okay to rebuild here while on his dime"
He left Denver happy but didn't want to do it there
When that team proved they could if the stars aligned right
Get close to the promise land
The dude is inexplicably selfish and stupid beyond
2004 43-39
2005 49-33
2006 44-38
2007 45-37
2008 50-32
2009 54-28
2010 53-29
2011 29-21
2011 14-14
2012 36-30
2013 54-28
2014 37-45
2015 24-58
looks to me like he hurt his own chances at success on the court by forcing his way here, and ruined his future on the court by "accepting" the max contract "offered" to him after some "soul searching."
fortunately he wasn't banking on winning on the court since he didn't have faith that he could, so the next best thing-- if not THE best thing-- was to leave no money on the table and make himself into a "digital athlete."
Interesting. Now Melo is getting credit for making the smart decision. I wonder what Phil's goal is as he played a major role in Melo coming back.
no his decision was the opposite of smart-- it was the essence of:
1) weak-mindedness (i can't win because i am not good enough so i might as well make as much money as possible and cry all the way to the bank)
2) a weak-will (i don't have what it takes to win a title so i might as well get as much money as possible and buffer myself from this reality)
3) cowardice (i don't want to lose millions without feeling certain i can win a title and i don't have the self-confidence to make that decision)
Or maybe he was convinced by Phil that he could make more money and win a title in NY. Phil played a role in Melo coming back.
did he really though? or did phil ask him to do one thing-- take a substantial paycut-- and melo did "exactly what he was sort of asked to do?"
Maybe someone that watched the documentary on his free agent experience can shed some light in what really happened
dk7th wrote:F500ONE wrote:dk7th wrote:F500ONE wrote:DK kind of like sitting out vs the Bulls because of some mythical shot kneeBut then coming back 2 days later only to put up 19FGA and 26FGA and playing 40/40min
Nothing like Phil Jackson enabling a loser while throwing the team
Under the bus as losers in mentality but then again how does the rotting process go
from the head down, 5 hunnit
Has it been too difficult to identify the head?
I'm pretty much past Dolan at this point
He's a scumbag but he has relented and done what most
Would prefer he do, hand the team over and disappear
Now we're worse than LB[boy was he right about this environment] Knicks
Not by design though, which is so sad///// I think Phil brought in 9 different
Players this yr so it's his team and he'll shuffle the deck again, no stability
Very short sell outside of money, in which he'll be in heavy competition with
Can't wait for him to write a book in about 5yrs where he truth tells
As of of now he's sold the least amount of lemon luxury vehicles compared to previous regimes
i would love to lay 100% of the blame at jackson's feet but it's the phrasing of that damned statement that gets me:
"melo did exactly what we sort of asked him to do." who is "we" if not dolan's involvement and what does "sort of" mean if not dolan's involvement?
i can't see past that phraseology.
Well this gets to the crux of why Phil took this job
Because like Melo the money was a Vice Lord
Melo did as he saw others do before him and
What he was accustomed to doing and Phil
Has been lording over this team the platitudes of culture change
He retained the #1 deterrent to said change reluctantly, so who had who by the gonads
F500ONE wrote:dk7th wrote:F500ONE wrote:dk7th wrote:F500ONE wrote:DK kind of like sitting out vs the Bulls because of some mythical shot kneeBut then coming back 2 days later only to put up 19FGA and 26FGA and playing 40/40min
Nothing like Phil Jackson enabling a loser while throwing the team
Under the bus as losers in mentality but then again how does the rotting process go
from the head down, 5 hunnit
Has it been too difficult to identify the head?
I'm pretty much past Dolan at this point
He's a scumbag but he has relented and done what most
Would prefer he do, hand the team over and disappear
Now we're worse than LB[boy was he right about this environment] Knicks
Not by design though, which is so sad///// I think Phil brought in 9 different
Players this yr so it's his team and he'll shuffle the deck again, no stability
Very short sell outside of money, in which he'll be in heavy competition with
Can't wait for him to write a book in about 5yrs where he truth tells
As of of now he's sold the least amount of lemon luxury vehicles compared to previous regimes
i would love to lay 100% of the blame at jackson's feet but it's the phrasing of that damned statement that gets me:
"melo did exactly what we sort of asked him to do." who is "we" if not dolan's involvement and what does "sort of" mean if not dolan's involvement?
i can't see past that phraseology.
Well this gets to the crux of why Phil took this job
Because like Melo the money was a Vice Lord
Melo did as he saw others do before him and
What he was accustomed to doing and Phil
Has been lording over this team the platitudes of culture change
He retained the #1 deterrent to said change reluctantly, so who had who by the gonads
ok that is persuasive, however there is really only one out which is that this was to be a "rebuilding year" just like walsh's first two seasons were going to be "competitive"...
dk7th wrote:F500ONE wrote:dk7th wrote:F500ONE wrote:dk7th wrote:F500ONE wrote:DK kind of like sitting out vs the Bulls because of some mythical shot kneeBut then coming back 2 days later only to put up 19FGA and 26FGA and playing 40/40min
Nothing like Phil Jackson enabling a loser while throwing the team
Under the bus as losers in mentality but then again how does the rotting process go
from the head down, 5 hunnit
Has it been too difficult to identify the head?
I'm pretty much past Dolan at this point
He's a scumbag but he has relented and done what most
Would prefer he do, hand the team over and disappear
Now we're worse than LB[boy was he right about this environment] Knicks
Not by design though, which is so sad///// I think Phil brought in 9 different
Players this yr so it's his team and he'll shuffle the deck again, no stability
Very short sell outside of money, in which he'll be in heavy competition with
Can't wait for him to write a book in about 5yrs where he truth tells
As of of now he's sold the least amount of lemon luxury vehicles compared to previous regimes
i would love to lay 100% of the blame at jackson's feet but it's the phrasing of that damned statement that gets me:
"melo did exactly what we sort of asked him to do." who is "we" if not dolan's involvement and what does "sort of" mean if not dolan's involvement?
i can't see past that phraseology.
Well this gets to the crux of why Phil took this job
Because like Melo the money was a Vice Lord
Melo did as he saw others do before him and
What he was accustomed to doing and Phil
Has been lording over this team the platitudes of culture change
He retained the #1 deterrent to said change reluctantly, so who had who by the gonads
ok that is persuasive, however there is really only one out which is that this was to be a "rebuilding year" just like walsh's first two seasons were going to be "competitive"...
Right it's not what Phil says but what Melo says
And he's been preaching rebuilding since after his 1st yr of arrival
Nice to know Melo is saving Phil from himself
Can Melo get Phil to stop trading away picks or better yet acquire more
