Knicks · Is melo the new vin,glen,kemp (page 1)

Splat wrote:Yeah he sucks. Seems most of the fan base doesn't have a clue. I wouldn't trust most of them to evaluate talent based on their blind acceptance of Melo. He's an epic fail as a ballplayer and some dummies still call him a Top 5-10 player. The team sucks so they'll lean on that crutch the rest of the season. Most people are clueless.

Splat--what the heck are you going to do? If we get Ok4 for PF a true rim protecting C add some athletes shooters--there is no way to make Melo fit?

Let me say secondly do you honestly think Jim Dolan will trade melo even in a fair deal?

I'm a tad scared off of Phil's first big trade--I'd rather he took a methodical approach and found the best scouts for the draft and used pow wow's for FA. If he honestly is behind not trading for Lowry and then trading Tyson--can he be counted on to trade melo? Would it be smarter to use Melo as a guy who can help score/rebound but as as secondary player?

Hey man if Phil can bring back a similar package of what we sold for or even close--Ill accept it--but I would not do it just as a salary dump??!

I really do not think Phil has the clout to trade Anthony--Melo is higher than Phil to Dolan.

BRIGGS wrote:

Splat wrote:Yeah he sucks. Seems most of the fan base doesn't have a clue. I wouldn't trust most of them to evaluate talent based on their blind acceptance of Melo. He's an epic fail as a ballplayer and some dummies still call him a Top 5-10 player. The team sucks so they'll lean on that crutch the rest of the season. Most people are clueless.

Splat--what the heck are you going to do? If we get Ok4 for PF a true rim protecting C add some athletes shooters--there is no way to make Melo fit?

Let me say secondly do you honestly think Jim Dolan will trade melo even in a fair deal?

I'm a tad scared off of Phil's first big trade--I'd rather he took a methodical approach and found the best scouts for the draft and used pow wow's for FA. If he honestly is behind not trading for Lowry and then trading Tyson--can he be counted on to trade melo? Would it be smarter to use Melo as a guy who can help score/rebound but as as secondary player?

Hey man if Phil can bring back a similar package of what we sold for or even close--Ill accept it--but I would not do it just as a salary dump??!

I really do not think Phil has the clout to trade Anthony--Melo is higher than Phil to Dolan.

There is only one thing to do.

START OVER.

Get that pick. Rebuild. Without Melo. Who is just not a good player, but who could add value as a scoring option on a good ballclub, something we won't be for years.

That's all there is to it, because Melo is just bad and this club has no future building around him. At all.

But I do like ThaNasty, so I think the Knicks got lucky there and it will soften the blow of being committed to Jose's horrible deal. If you draft OK4 or someone tremendous in the middle, you'd already have the makings of a top frontline.

And that is when you commit and keep looking for the right PG to grow with and hopefully you can land a truly good SG finally.

It is never hopeless, but Phil is lost, so it is really just a matter of the scouting team bailing out his old 11-fingered azz out. With a little luck, you could have a starting 5 in two seasons that is better than every single player on the present club.

What will not work is band-aids and sticking with Melo. He needs to be moved before he has real injuries that can't be fixed. And its coming. He's worn out. Just a matter of time. Denying the inevitable leads to lots of belligerent fans who can't deal with reality. Best to accept we're stuck with a lemon and start making lemonade.

And that does mean sucking it up and taking dimes on the dollar. Losing Melo is a positive as long as it does not involve taking on bad players with long contracts.

And Phil doesn't need clout to convince Melo. Melo is a diva. He'll be glad to leave. If you haven't learned by now what makes Melo tick, then I can't explain the vanity factor any longer. He already wants out. He's just posturing like he doesn't, but he'll be ecstatic to be traded to a winning ball club where he doesn't have to carry the weight of a franchise's expectations any longer. It is coming.

Splat wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Splat wrote:Yeah he sucks. Seems most of the fan base doesn't have a clue. I wouldn't trust most of them to evaluate talent based on their blind acceptance of Melo. He's an epic fail as a ballplayer and some dummies still call him a Top 5-10 player. The team sucks so they'll lean on that crutch the rest of the season. Most people are clueless.

Splat--what the heck are you going to do? If we get Ok4 for PF a true rim protecting C add some athletes shooters--there is no way to make Melo fit?

Let me say secondly do you honestly think Jim Dolan will trade melo even in a fair deal?

I'm a tad scared off of Phil's first big trade--I'd rather he took a methodical approach and found the best scouts for the draft and used pow wow's for FA. If he honestly is behind not trading for Lowry and then trading Tyson--can he be counted on to trade melo? Would it be smarter to use Melo as a guy who can help score/rebound but as as secondary player?

Hey man if Phil can bring back a similar package of what we sold for or even close--Ill accept it--but I would not do it just as a salary dump??!

I really do not think Phil has the clout to trade Anthony--Melo is higher than Phil to Dolan.

There is only one thing to do.

START OVER.

Get that pick. Rebuild. Without Melo. Who is just not a good player, but who could add value as a scoring option on a good ballclub, something we won't be for years.

That's all there is to it, because Melo is just bad and this club has no future building around him. At all.

But I do like ThaNasty, so I think the Knicks got lucky there and it will soften the blow of being committed to Jose's horrible deal. If you draft OK4 or someone tremendous in the middle, you'd already have the makings of a top frontline.

And that is when you commit and keep looking for the right PG to grow with and hopefully you can land a truly good SG finally.

It is never hopeless, but Phil is lost, so it is really just a matter of the scouting team bailing out his old 11-fingered azz out. With a little luck, you could have a starting 5 in two seasons that is better than every single player on the present club.

What will not work is band-aids and sticking with Melo. He needs to be moved before he has real injuries that can't be fixed. And its coming. He's worn out. Just a matter of time. Denying the inevitable leads to lots of belligerent fans who can't deal with reality. Best to accept we're stuck with a lemon and start making lemonade.

And that does mean sucking it up and taking dimes on the dollar. Losing Melo is a positive as long as it does not involve taking on bad players with long contracts.

And Phil doesn't need clout to convince Melo. Melo is a diva. He'll be glad to leave. If you haven't learned by now what makes Melo tick, then I can't explain the vanity factor any longer. He already wants out. He's just posturing like he doesn't, but he'll be ecstatic to be traded to a winning ball club where he doesn't have to carry the weight of a franchise's expectations any longer. It is coming.

Hey man--I'm not against melo being traded--Ive just seen 15 years of Dolan to realize that he wont do it. If Phil can get a reasonable package back for Melo--something that makes sense--then he should go for it. But will Dolan sign off on that?

BRIGGS wrote:

Splat wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Splat wrote:Yeah he sucks. Seems most of the fan base doesn't have a clue. I wouldn't trust most of them to evaluate talent based on their blind acceptance of Melo. He's an epic fail as a ballplayer and some dummies still call him a Top 5-10 player. The team sucks so they'll lean on that crutch the rest of the season. Most people are clueless.

Splat--what the heck are you going to do? If we get Ok4 for PF a true rim protecting C add some athletes shooters--there is no way to make Melo fit?

Let me say secondly do you honestly think Jim Dolan will trade melo even in a fair deal?

I'm a tad scared off of Phil's first big trade--I'd rather he took a methodical approach and found the best scouts for the draft and used pow wow's for FA. If he honestly is behind not trading for Lowry and then trading Tyson--can he be counted on to trade melo? Would it be smarter to use Melo as a guy who can help score/rebound but as as secondary player?

Hey man if Phil can bring back a similar package of what we sold for or even close--Ill accept it--but I would not do it just as a salary dump??!

I really do not think Phil has the clout to trade Anthony--Melo is higher than Phil to Dolan.

There is only one thing to do.

START OVER.

Get that pick. Rebuild. Without Melo. Who is just not a good player, but who could add value as a scoring option on a good ballclub, something we won't be for years.

That's all there is to it, because Melo is just bad and this club has no future building around him. At all.

But I do like ThaNasty, so I think the Knicks got lucky there and it will soften the blow of being committed to Jose's horrible deal. If you draft OK4 or someone tremendous in the middle, you'd already have the makings of a top frontline.

And that is when you commit and keep looking for the right PG to grow with and hopefully you can land a truly good SG finally.

It is never hopeless, but Phil is lost, so it is really just a matter of the scouting team bailing out his old 11-fingered azz out. With a little luck, you could have a starting 5 in two seasons that is better than every single player on the present club.

What will not work is band-aids and sticking with Melo. He needs to be moved before he has real injuries that can't be fixed. And its coming. He's worn out. Just a matter of time. Denying the inevitable leads to lots of belligerent fans who can't deal with reality. Best to accept we're stuck with a lemon and start making lemonade.

And that does mean sucking it up and taking dimes on the dollar. Losing Melo is a positive as long as it does not involve taking on bad players with long contracts.

And Phil doesn't need clout to convince Melo. Melo is a diva. He'll be glad to leave. If you haven't learned by now what makes Melo tick, then I can't explain the vanity factor any longer. He already wants out. He's just posturing like he doesn't, but he'll be ecstatic to be traded to a winning ball club where he doesn't have to carry the weight of a franchise's expectations any longer. It is coming.

Hey man--I'm not against melo being traded--Ive just seen 15 years of Dolan to realize that he wont do it. If Phil can get a reasonable package back for Melo--something that makes sense--then he should go for it. But will Dolan sign off on that?

That probably depends on how well Phil pre-sold Jimmy on the team's options prior to getting paid $60M. If Dolan was prepared for this, then he might go for it. Sadly, that is how things go with Dolan. He has sabotaged the club with his emotions numerous times, so it comes down to whether Phil did enough voodoo to pre-shrink Dolan's head to the size of a baseball. This might be the ultimate test of Phil's persuasion powers.

Splat wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Splat wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Splat wrote:Yeah he sucks. Seems most of the fan base doesn't have a clue. I wouldn't trust most of them to evaluate talent based on their blind acceptance of Melo. He's an epic fail as a ballplayer and some dummies still call him a Top 5-10 player. The team sucks so they'll lean on that crutch the rest of the season. Most people are clueless.

Splat--what the heck are you going to do? If we get Ok4 for PF a true rim protecting C add some athletes shooters--there is no way to make Melo fit?

Let me say secondly do you honestly think Jim Dolan will trade melo even in a fair deal?

I'm a tad scared off of Phil's first big trade--I'd rather he took a methodical approach and found the best scouts for the draft and used pow wow's for FA. If he honestly is behind not trading for Lowry and then trading Tyson--can he be counted on to trade melo? Would it be smarter to use Melo as a guy who can help score/rebound but as as secondary player?

Hey man if Phil can bring back a similar package of what we sold for or even close--Ill accept it--but I would not do it just as a salary dump??!

I really do not think Phil has the clout to trade Anthony--Melo is higher than Phil to Dolan.

There is only one thing to do.

START OVER.

Get that pick. Rebuild. Without Melo. Who is just not a good player, but who could add value as a scoring option on a good ballclub, something we won't be for years.

That's all there is to it, because Melo is just bad and this club has no future building around him. At all.

But I do like ThaNasty, so I think the Knicks got lucky there and it will soften the blow of being committed to Jose's horrible deal. If you draft OK4 or someone tremendous in the middle, you'd already have the makings of a top frontline.

And that is when you commit and keep looking for the right PG to grow with and hopefully you can land a truly good SG finally.

It is never hopeless, but Phil is lost, so it is really just a matter of the scouting team bailing out his old 11-fingered azz out. With a little luck, you could have a starting 5 in two seasons that is better than every single player on the present club.

What will not work is band-aids and sticking with Melo. He needs to be moved before he has real injuries that can't be fixed. And its coming. He's worn out. Just a matter of time. Denying the inevitable leads to lots of belligerent fans who can't deal with reality. Best to accept we're stuck with a lemon and start making lemonade.

And that does mean sucking it up and taking dimes on the dollar. Losing Melo is a positive as long as it does not involve taking on bad players with long contracts.

And Phil doesn't need clout to convince Melo. Melo is a diva. He'll be glad to leave. If you haven't learned by now what makes Melo tick, then I can't explain the vanity factor any longer. He already wants out. He's just posturing like he doesn't, but he'll be ecstatic to be traded to a winning ball club where he doesn't have to carry the weight of a franchise's expectations any longer. It is coming.

Hey man--I'm not against melo being traded--Ive just seen 15 years of Dolan to realize that he wont do it. If Phil can get a reasonable package back for Melo--something that makes sense--then he should go for it. But will Dolan sign off on that?

That probably depends on how well Phil pre-sold Jimmy on the team's options prior to getting paid $60M. If Dolan was prepared for this, then he might go for it. Sadly, that is how things go with Dolan. He has sabotaged the club with his emotions numerous times, so it comes down to whether Phil did enough voodoo to pre-shrink Dolan's head to the size of a baseball. This might be the ultimate test of Phil's persuasion powers.

Uptown wrote:Look its another melo sucks thread from fitzfarm.

I don't think he sucks ... He's defiantly not the player most was expecting. I also don't think you solely build your offense for one player and forget the rest, especially when your one player is not elite. Btw melo was supposed to be elite. But maybe oak4 or towns with M gasol and g drogic So our starting 5 is gasol, oak4 or towns,melo,thjr,g drogic will bring us to the promise land problem is melo wants to be top dog ...lol this is a train wreck

fitzfarm wrote:

Uptown wrote:Look its another melo sucks thread from fitzfarm.

I don't think he sucks ... He's defiantly not the player most was expecting. I also don't think you solely build your offense for one player and forget the rest, especially when your one player is not elite. Btw melo was supposed to be elite. But maybe oak4 or towns with M gasol and g drogic So our starting 5 is gasol, oak4 or towns,melo,thjr,g drogic will bring us to the promise land problem is melo wants to be top dog ...lol this is a train wreck

ALL ABOARD THE COLE TRAIN WHOOP WHOOP!

TPercy wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:

Uptown wrote:Look its another melo sucks thread from fitzfarm.

I don't think he sucks ... He's defiantly not the player most was expecting. I also don't think you solely build your offense for one player and forget the rest, especially when your one player is not elite. Btw melo was supposed to be elite. But maybe oak4 or towns with M gasol and g drogic So our starting 5 is gasol, oak4 or towns,melo,thjr,g drogic will bring us to the promise land problem is melo wants to be top dog ...lol this is a train wreck

ALL ABOARD THE COLE TRAIN WHOOP WHOOP!
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TPercy wrote:As far as I am concerned the knicks won't trade Melo. By the time they will decide to trade him it will be too late.

That's how they roll. A day late and a dollar short.

fitzfarm wrote:Our offense sucks with him in the game ... This is the most boring offense in the nba hands down. Melo is such a duche all he cares about is his... Ant no team in I melo start being a leader or you will become the next kemp,baker,gay,glen Robison,Marbury....melo= duche

Another call for "Circle Jerk"!!!!!!

Jeez, this gets old. Knicks are the worst team in the League right now and I need this dude to show me the light?

Teams record speaks louder than the Circle Melo hate squad! NO shyt they suck.
tell me something I don't know!

TPercy wrote:As far as I am concerned the knicks won't trade Melo. By the time they will decide to trade him it will be too late.

I just have a hard time believing Dolan would give up Melo. Once Melo is gone--the team is truly torn down but it can take a long time even with a Patrick Ewing to build back up.

Nalod wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:Our offense sucks with him in the game ... This is the most boring offense in the nba hands down. Melo is such a duche all he cares about is his... Ant no team in I melo start being a leader or you will become the next kemp,baker,gay,glen Robison,Marbury....melo= duche

Another call for "Circle Jerk"!!!!!!

Jeez, this gets old. Knicks are the worst team in the League right now and I need this dude to show me the light?

Teams record speaks louder than the Circle Melo hate squad! NO shyt they suck.
tell me something I don't know!

the knicks cannot win with carmelo and his 124 million dollar contract. it's the start of five years of turd polishing.

BRIGGS wrote:

TPercy wrote:As far as I am concerned the knicks won't trade Melo. By the time they will decide to trade him it will be too late.

I just have a hard time believing Dolan would give up Melo. Once Melo is gone--the team is truly torn down but it can take a long time even with a Patrick Ewing to build back up.

Nalod wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:Our offense sucks with him in the game ... This is the most boring offense in the nba hands down. Melo is such a duche all he cares about is his... Ant no team in I melo start being a leader or you will become the next kemp,baker,gay,glen Robison,Marbury....melo= duche

Another call for "Circle Jerk"!!!!!!

Jeez, this gets old. Knicks are the worst team in the League right now and I need this dude to show me the light?

Teams record speaks louder than the Circle Melo hate squad! NO shyt they suck.
tell me something I don't know!

Nobody has been a more redundant poster than you in recent days. If you post the phrase circle jerk one more time you'll tie yourself up into a gordian knot and jizz your own self to death.

Ouroboros awaits you.