Knicks1969 wrote:We need a true 7' that can pass the ball efficiently, anchor the defense, and is a double double machine. Basically, another Tyson Chandler
tyson was a efficient passing 7 footer? Really?
Knixkik wrote:I like Monroe, but i really want Tabias Harris. Would be deadly next to Melo, and a true 2nd option on offense. For center look out for Kosta Koufos, he's a real sleeper this offseason because he is stuck behind Marc Gasol, but he's a nice option at center and is relatively skilled and a good defender.
If the Knicks can not get Lopez or Asik, Koufos would be a nice pick up. I would also then go get Alexis Ajinca(Pelican). He is a project but boy does he do some good things. He just happens to be a foul machine but hopefully that drops with more NBA playing time.
mreinman wrote:Knicks1969 wrote:We need a true 7' that can pass the ball efficiently, anchor the defense, and is a double double machine. Basically, another Tyson Chandler
tyson was a efficient passing 7 footer? Really?
The system needs a player with a midrange shot. Tyson could not.
While no doubt this season is a disappointment the Dallas trade really did provide us with a lot of parts ON PAPER:
Jose, a vet shooter.
Dalembart a rim protecter
Larkin, a back up PG with yooth and friendly contract
ClearAnthony, Yoot potential.
Perhaps some are confused and think that Tyson if still on the knicks would be as good as Dallas is with him in the line up.
Perhaps with our injury and the benefit of hindsight some how confuse this with intellegence.
The trade was never designed to turn us into a contender.
Nalod wrote:mreinman wrote:Knicks1969 wrote:We need a true 7' that can pass the ball efficiently, anchor the defense, and is a double double machine. Basically, another Tyson Chandler
tyson was a efficient passing 7 footer? Really?
The system needs a player with a midrange shot. Tyson could not.
While no doubt this season is a disappointment the Dallas trade really did provide us with a lot of parts ON PAPER:
Jose, a vet shooter.
Dalembart a rim protecter
Larkin, a back up PG with yooth and friendly contract
ClearAnthony, Yoot potential.
Perhaps some are confused and think that Tyson if still on the knicks would be as good as Dallas is with him in the line up.
Perhaps with our injury and the benefit of hindsight some how confuse this with intellegence.
The trade was never designed to turn us into a contender.
He was not going to be good here. Most of our realists know that.
The question is, did we make a good trade - Get back a good package for him.
Unless Thanan and/or Early are really good, then it looks like we did not do well.
mreinman wrote:Nalod wrote:mreinman wrote:Knicks1969 wrote:We need a true 7' that can pass the ball efficiently, anchor the defense, and is a double double machine. Basically, another Tyson Chandler
tyson was a efficient passing 7 footer? Really?
The system needs a player with a midrange shot. Tyson could not.
While no doubt this season is a disappointment the Dallas trade really did provide us with a lot of parts ON PAPER:
Jose, a vet shooter.
Dalembart a rim protecter
Larkin, a back up PG with yooth and friendly contract
ClearAnthony, Yoot potential.
Perhaps some are confused and think that Tyson if still on the knicks would be as good as Dallas is with him in the line up.
Perhaps with our injury and the benefit of hindsight some how confuse this with intellegence.
The trade was never designed to turn us into a contender.
He was not going to be good here. Most of our realists know that.
The question is, did we make a good trade - Get back a good package for him.
Unless Thanan and/or Early are really good, then it looks like we did not do well.
Like I said before it was not a good trade because of the value Dallas placed on Tyson. They had mentioned how much they missed Tyson way before the trade. I always thought Tyson had 1st rd pick value and thought they would have asked for a 2015 pick. It is what it is though. You really know how the negotiations went and what was asked. Maybe the tried then settled.
yellowboy90 wrote:mreinman wrote:Nalod wrote:mreinman wrote:Knicks1969 wrote:We need a true 7' that can pass the ball efficiently, anchor the defense, and is a double double machine. Basically, another Tyson Chandler
tyson was a efficient passing 7 footer? Really?
The system needs a player with a midrange shot. Tyson could not.
While no doubt this season is a disappointment the Dallas trade really did provide us with a lot of parts ON PAPER:
Jose, a vet shooter.
Dalembart a rim protecter
Larkin, a back up PG with yooth and friendly contract
ClearAnthony, Yoot potential.
Perhaps some are confused and think that Tyson if still on the knicks would be as good as Dallas is with him in the line up.
Perhaps with our injury and the benefit of hindsight some how confuse this with intellegence.
The trade was never designed to turn us into a contender.
He was not going to be good here. Most of our realists know that.
The question is, did we make a good trade - Get back a good package for him.
Unless Thanan and/or Early are really good, then it looks like we did not do well.
Like I said before it was not a good trade because of the value Dallas placed on Tyson. They had mentioned how much they missed Tyson way before the trade. I always thought Tyson had 1st rd pick value and thought they would have asked for a 2015 pick. It is what it is though. You really know how the negotiations went and what was asked. Maybe the tried then settled.
The reason Phil didn't get a 1st probably didn't ask
Which is a tattle on himself, he figures trading
Tyson to Dallas a team who won 49gms without him
Gets you a very low 1st rounder, in that would Tyson make them worse
Probably not, that's why you have to be creative
He could have included Shumpert in the deal expanded to a 3way
Got a 1st rounder and maybe another future 2nd rounder from another team
So in essence getting 3 2nd rounders for Tyson instead of just 2 in a so-so draft
Maybe package them to move up and get another first in the draft
This is what someone like Morey would have done
F500ONE wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:mreinman wrote:Nalod wrote:mreinman wrote:Knicks1969 wrote:We need a true 7' that can pass the ball efficiently, anchor the defense, and is a double double machine. Basically, another Tyson Chandler
tyson was a efficient passing 7 footer? Really?
The system needs a player with a midrange shot. Tyson could not.
While no doubt this season is a disappointment the Dallas trade really did provide us with a lot of parts ON PAPER:
Jose, a vet shooter.
Dalembart a rim protecter
Larkin, a back up PG with yooth and friendly contract
ClearAnthony, Yoot potential.
Perhaps some are confused and think that Tyson if still on the knicks would be as good as Dallas is with him in the line up.
Perhaps with our injury and the benefit of hindsight some how confuse this with intellegence.
The trade was never designed to turn us into a contender.
He was not going to be good here. Most of our realists know that.
The question is, did we make a good trade - Get back a good package for him.
Unless Thanan and/or Early are really good, then it looks like we did not do well.
Like I said before it was not a good trade because of the value Dallas placed on Tyson. They had mentioned how much they missed Tyson way before the trade. I always thought Tyson had 1st rd pick value and thought they would have asked for a 2015 pick. It is what it is though. You really know how the negotiations went and what was asked. Maybe the tried then settled.
The reason Phil didn't get a 1st probably didn't ask
Which is a tattle on himself, he figures trading
Tyson to Dallas a team who won 49gms without him
Gets you a very low 1st rounder, in that would Tyson make them worse
Probably not, that's why you have to be creative
He could have included Shumpert in the deal expanded to a 3way
Got a 1st rounder and maybe another future 2nd rounder from another team
So in essence getting 3 2nd rounders for Tyson instead of just 2 in a so-so draft
Maybe package them to move up and get another first in the draft
This is what someone like Morey would have done
The king of Hindsight chimes in with his keen review analysis.
yellowboy90 wrote:mreinman wrote:Nalod wrote:mreinman wrote:Knicks1969 wrote:We need a true 7' that can pass the ball efficiently, anchor the defense, and is a double double machine. Basically, another Tyson Chandler
tyson was a efficient passing 7 footer? Really?
The system needs a player with a midrange shot. Tyson could not.
While no doubt this season is a disappointment the Dallas trade really did provide us with a lot of parts ON PAPER:
Jose, a vet shooter.
Dalembart a rim protecter
Larkin, a back up PG with yooth and friendly contract
ClearAnthony, Yoot potential.
Perhaps some are confused and think that Tyson if still on the knicks would be as good as Dallas is with him in the line up.
Perhaps with our injury and the benefit of hindsight some how confuse this with intellegence.
The trade was never designed to turn us into a contender.
He was not going to be good here. Most of our realists know that.
The question is, did we make a good trade - Get back a good package for him.
Unless Thanan and/or Early are really good, then it looks like we did not do well.
Like I said before it was not a good trade because of the value Dallas placed on Tyson. They had mentioned how much they missed Tyson way before the trade. I always thought Tyson had 1st rd pick value and thought they would have asked for a 2015 pick. It is what it is though. You really know how the negotiations went and what was asked. Maybe the tried then settled.
To be honest, I'd still rather have two second round picks in last year's draft than a low first-rounder in this year's draft. Maybe we could've squeezed another prospect out of Dallas?
For those of you who don't know, Marc Cuban is a master negotiator. He makes a living at making people make bad business decision which benefits him. If you don't believe me, watch shark tank
Splat wrote:mreinman wrote:Knicks1969 wrote:We need a true 7' that can pass the ball efficiently, anchor the defense, and is a double double machine. Basically, another Tyson Chandler
tyson was a efficient passing 7 footer? Really?
That's some funny chit
That he could not do. He was not a good passer
Knicks1969 wrote:Splat wrote:mreinman wrote:Knicks1969 wrote:We need a true 7' that can pass the ball efficiently, anchor the defense, and is a double double machine. Basically, another Tyson Chandler
tyson was a efficient passing 7 footer? Really?
That's some funny chit
That he could not do. He was not a good passer
uh ... so which one of you (1969 posters) should we believe?
I am getting dizzy.
mreinman wrote:Knicks1969 wrote:Splat wrote:mreinman wrote:Knicks1969 wrote:We need a true 7' that can pass the ball efficiently, anchor the defense, and is a double double machine. Basically, another Tyson Chandler
tyson was a efficient passing 7 footer? Really?
That's some funny chit
That he could not do. He was not a good passer
uh ... so which one of you (1969 posters) should we believe?
I am getting dizzy.
Dude, Tyson is a double double machine, even you can't dispute that. When drafting his clone, we have to ensure that he has a knack for passing the ball. Exactly what I was thing to convey.
Now that Josh smith is no longer a Piston, Greg Monroe will re-sign with the team. Knicks will not have to worry about offering him a contract.
We are to concentrate on drafting a big boy
I find myself watching a lot of Detroit's games to study Greg Monroe's game. He is feasting on the Indy's front line tonight. He is a lot more talented then given credit on this board. He is certainly not a shot blocker, but he can guard his position and rebound the ball efficiently. He passes the ball nicely and has a nice I between game.
Knicks1969 wrote:I find myself watching a lot of Detroit's games to study Greg Monroe's game. He is feasting on the Indy's front line tonight. He is a lot more talented then given credit on this board. He is certainly not a shot blocker, but he can guard his position and rebound the ball efficiently. He passes the ball nicely and has a nice I between game.
He's not worth the Max no matter how much footage you watch
From what I see, he is a nice front court player. He is better then all the front court players on our roster right now. He may not worth the max, but in my opinion not too many players are worth the max. If you have not helped your team to advance deep in the playoffs, you are not worth the max.
So, what is considered the max for a player like Monroe?
Knicks1969 wrote:So, what is considered the max for a player like Monroe?
Greg's is 25% of Cap for Max
Melo = 35% of Cap
Greg = 25% of Cap
Jose = 11% of Cap
J.R. = 10% of Cap
All of these are an emphatic
F500ONE wrote:Knicks1969 wrote:So, what is considered the max for a player like Monroe?
Greg's is 25% of Cap for Max
Melo = 35% of Cap
Greg = 25% of Cap
Jose = 11% of Cap
J.R. = 10% of Cap
All of these are an emphatic
35% is bad, but just thinking of Jose and JR each being 10% is also very depressing. I've slammed Phil for Jose's contract recently. It does matter. These days fans talk about $6-7M per year like it is trip to McDonalds. In reality, a club cannot afford these contracts if they are not getting production out of the player. The Knicks are such a mess. Phil has so far dug a deeper ditch, not turn things around.
Splat wrote:F500ONE wrote:Knicks1969 wrote:So, what is considered the max for a player like Monroe?
Greg's is 25% of Cap for Max
Melo = 35% of Cap
Greg = 25% of Cap
Jose = 11% of Cap
J.R. = 10% of Cap
All of these are an emphatic
35% is bad, but just thinking of Jose and JR each being 10% is also very depressing. I've slammed Phil for Jose's contract recently. It does matter. These days fans talk about $6-7M per year like it is trip to McDonalds. In reality, a club cannot afford these contracts if they are not getting production out of the player. The Knicks are such a mess. Phil has so far dug a deeper ditch, not turn things around.
Yeah and some were alright justifying supersizing
Going for contracts like Andrea Bargnani[although he expires this season]
You have to be extremely cost conscious
The above contracts take up 81% of Cap
Between empty roster holds and other cap fodder add 7%
We'll have about 12-13% which equates to approx $5.5-6.5mil[Jeremy Lin territory]
I had to edit the above as I did not account for
Draft pick Cap $ probably around 6%
