BRIGGS wrote:H1AND1 wrote:No thanks to Dragic who will be rounding the wrong side of 30. And he's only averaged over 20 points once in his career. His numbers last year look like an aberration to me. He isn't playing nearly as well this season and never played like that before last season either. Dunno, if we are going to insist on blowing our entire wad of FA cash on second and third tier guys instead of possibly holding off, maintaining flexibility, and waiting until someone actually worth max dollars comes along then we should go after Butler or Jackson who are at least young and at the end of their prime. Dragic had one good season and now will get paid a boatload to decline in skill over the course of the contract and to boot we arent even sure he will ever put up numbers like he did last year ever again, his natural physical decline in skill notwithstanding. Bad gamble.
Butler is my number #1 too but I would be willing to spend if that doesnt come to fruition. Remember Dragic plays with 2 other PG's now. Its more likely that his 20 points 7 assists 4 rebounds are true. The thing about Dragic is he shoots 50%
Calderon is supposed to be a high percentage shooter as well::)))
Knicks1969 wrote:BRIGGS wrote:H1AND1 wrote:No thanks to Dragic who will be rounding the wrong side of 30. And he's only averaged over 20 points once in his career. His numbers last year look like an aberration to me. He isn't playing nearly as well this season and never played like that before last season either. Dunno, if we are going to insist on blowing our entire wad of FA cash on second and third tier guys instead of possibly holding off, maintaining flexibility, and waiting until someone actually worth max dollars comes along then we should go after Butler or Jackson who are at least young and at the end of their prime. Dragic had one good season and now will get paid a boatload to decline in skill over the course of the contract and to boot we arent even sure he will ever put up numbers like he did last year ever again, his natural physical decline in skill notwithstanding. Bad gamble.
Butler is my number #1 too but I would be willing to spend if that doesnt come to fruition. Remember Dragic plays with 2 other PG's now. Its more likely that his 20 points 7 assists 4 rebounds are true. The thing about Dragic is he shoots 50%
Calderon is supposed to be a high percentage shooter as well::)))
Calderon will eventually settle into his usual good shooting %, but he's never been a high shot attempt player. He's not an aggressive offensive player. Jose is a ball mover.
BRIGGS wrote:H1AND1 wrote:No thanks to Dragic who will be rounding the wrong side of 30. And he's only averaged over 20 points once in his career. His numbers last year look like an aberration to me. He isn't playing nearly as well this season and never played like that before last season either. Dunno, if we are going to insist on blowing our entire wad of FA cash on second and third tier guys instead of possibly holding off, maintaining flexibility, and waiting until someone actually worth max dollars comes along then we should go after Butler or Jackson who are at least young and at the end of their prime. Dragic had one good season and now will get paid a boatload to decline in skill over the course of the contract and to boot we arent even sure he will ever put up numbers like he did last year ever again, his natural physical decline in skill notwithstanding. Bad gamble.
Butler is my number #1 too but I would be willing to spend if that doesnt come to fruition. Remember Dragic plays with 2 other PG's now. Its more likely that his 20 points 7 assists 4 rebounds are true. The thing about Dragic is he shoots 50%
Briggs, with all the research that you do, please please tell me that you look at TS mainly and not FG.
H1AND1 wrote:mreinman wrote:H1AND1 wrote:No thanks to Dragic who will be rounding the wrong side of 30. And he's only averaged over 20 points once in his career. His numbers last year look like an aberration to me. He isn't playing nearly as well this season and never played like that before last season either. Dunno, if we are going to insist on blowing our entire wad of FA cash on second and third tier guys instead of possibly holding off, maintaining flexibility, and waiting until someone actually worth max dollars comes along then we should go after Butler or Jackson who are at least young and at the end of their prime. Dragic had one good season and now will get paid a boatload to decline in skill over the course of the contract and to boot we arent even sure he will ever put up numbers like he did last year ever again, his natural physical decline in skill notwithstanding. Bad gamble.
I don't want to overpay for him but he is basically the same player as last year but more redundant on a team full of PG's.
The only thing that is down is his 3 point percentage.
He is still extremely efficient ... one of the most efficient in the league.
Ah, OK, I admittedly haven't been looking at his numbers beyond the box score. Good stuff. I forgot the Suns went and got Isaiah Thomas this offseason to add to the mix. Id still pass just because of age.
I would agree ...
10 million is my cap on him.
Can Dragzic defend at his position? If your answer is no, then you can't advocate for the Knicks to offer this dude a contract
Knicks1969 wrote:Can Dragzic defend at his position? If your answer is no, then you can't advocate for the Knicks to offer this dude a contract
you want your guards to defend?
I think the Knicks should target Brandon Knight or Reggie Jackson. Younger guys who could provide more years of production next to whoever we draft and with our other young draft picks.
mreinman wrote:Knicks1969 wrote:Can Dragzic defend at his position? If your answer is no, then you can't advocate for the Knicks to offer this dude a contract
you want your guards to defend?
Hell yeah.......the PG position is the first line of defense
Knicks1969 wrote:mreinman wrote:Knicks1969 wrote:Can Dragzic defend at his position? If your answer is no, then you can't advocate for the Knicks to offer this dude a contract
you want your guards to defend?
Hell yeah.......the PG position is the first line of defense
yeah ... I guess if your 2 guard is the worst defender in the league then you need a defensive PG
mreinman wrote:Knicks1969 wrote:mreinman wrote:Knicks1969 wrote:Can Dragzic defend at his position? If your answer is no, then you can't advocate for the Knicks to offer this dude a contract
you want your guards to defend?
Hell yeah.......the PG position is the first line of defense
yeah ... I guess if your 2 guard is the worst defender in the league then you need a defensive PG
Your PG must always be able to DEFEND. Because if you can stop the ball from moving effectively, it automatically makes the team better defensively
mreinman wrote:Knicks1969 wrote:mreinman wrote:Knicks1969 wrote:Can Dragzic defend at his position? If your answer is no, then you can't advocate for the Knicks to offer this dude a contract
you want your guards to defend?
Hell yeah.......the PG position is the first line of defense
yeah ... I guess if your 2 guard is the worst defender in the league then you need a defensive PG
Shump?? 
We should aim for Bledsoe and Gerald Green. Trade Amare and Shump for Bledsoe and Green.
Knicks1969 wrote:We should aim for Bledsoe and Gerald Green. Trade Amare and Shump for Bledsoe and Green.
If they would do that sure....if you were them, would you do that?
BRIGGS wrote:nixluva wrote:I wouldn't bet on that high pick. I have a fear that unless Phil makes a trade this team is gonna get healthier and might actually win some of these close games they've been losing. It's just the law of averages. They've been right there at the end of so many games and if they get even just a little bit of a surge in production from guys who have been playing below their talent level it could mess up any draft position we have now. It won't take many wins to do that.As for Dragic I have no problem with him as a target, but I think we should also look at one of the younger guys like Brandon Knight or Reggie Jackson.
We suck--we wont win 20 games this year. Don't be fooled by anyway you lose. It takes a lot of scking to be 5-25. I expect at some point to see Melo down for 20 games or more.
From your keyboard directly the Jehova's ears. Mo losses = the plan. Melo needs a vacay anyways.
Green has an expired contract and will look to go to a team that will offer minutes to shine. He certainly won't get those minutes in Phoenix
Knicks1969 wrote:Green has an expired contract and will look to go to a team that will offer minutes to shine. He certainly won't get those minutes in Phoenix
I don't see Green fitting in on this team if we're still running the triangle. He struggles in structured settings and he's been more erratic than JR. throughout his career. I wanted mind Bledsoe, but it's going to take more than Shump and STAT to pry him loose. A conditional first rounder might do it.
We should go after Lin, Lou Williams, Danny Green, Gerald Green, Draymond Green. Not saying we are going to get all of them. We would have to pay a few mil extra to pry them away(Draymond probably will cost about 10mil) but you could get a collection of possible productive triangle fits without blowing up the cap. If we could get Lin and Danny. Then 2016 we could push hard for Al Hortford.
Lin could be a buy low high reward guy in the tri.
Lin may be very affordable, but I don't expect Dolan to remove his buttplug and bring him back.
Splat wrote:Lin may be very affordable, but I don't expect Dolan to remove his buttplug and bring him back.
Lin? Seriously? The dude shy ex only because he was in an unstructured environment. He struggled mightily in Houston and ow in LA. Can he defend? The answer is "hell no." The time has come for the Knicks to stop making dumb mistakes when it comes to acquire one trick ponies.
newyorknewyork wrote:We should go after Lin, Lou Williams, Danny Green, Gerald Green, Draymond Green. Not saying we are going to get all of them. We would have to pay a few mil extra to pry them away(Draymond probably will cost about 10mil) but you could get a collection of possible productive triangle fits without blowing up the cap. If we could get Lin and Danny. Then 2016 we could push hard for Al Hortford.Lin could be a buy low high reward guy in the tri.
Lunn and Gerald Green maybe.... the other guys are in good situations and should stay where they are.
Knicks1969 wrote:Splat wrote:Lin may be very affordable, but I don't expect Dolan to remove his buttplug and bring him back.
Lin? Seriously? The dude shy ex only because he was in an unstructured environment. He struggled mightily in Houston and ow in LA. Can he defend? The answer is "hell no." The time has come for the Knicks to stop making dumb mistakes when it comes to acquire one trick ponies.
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