I think he will break out crying in year 2... but may be I am underestimating...
all ... we are stuck with him. He is pretty close to untradeable.
depends on the offseason... could be next
mreinman wrote:all ... we are stuck with him. He is pretty close to untradeable.
This is his personal business to make something work for him.
I have no issue for him to stick around to have Dolan business-happy.
Casual fans also need some meat and selling off the Mecca.
I think Phil should have no issues too.
He may be even a big plus in properly constructed team with on-court leadership.
He actually was in 54-win season.
Obviously if his body will hold on.
STAT broke before we build anything competitive.
arkrud wrote:mreinman wrote:all ... we are stuck with him. He is pretty close to untradeable.
This is his personal business to make something work for him.
I have no issue for him to stick around to have Dolan business-happy.
Casual fans also need some meat and selling off the Mecca.
I think Phil should have no issues too.
He may be even a big plus in properly constructed team with on-court leadership.
He actually was in 54-win season.
Obviously if his body will hold on.
STAT broke before we build anything competitive.
If I knew that he could average 60 healthy games a year for the remainder of his contract then I would be happy to keep him (assuming that phil can figure how to penetrate him).
mreinman wrote:arkrud wrote:mreinman wrote:all ... we are stuck with him. He is pretty close to untradeable.
This is his personal business to make something work for him.
I have no issue for him to stick around to have Dolan business-happy.
Casual fans also need some meat and selling off the Mecca.
I think Phil should have no issues too.
He may be even a big plus in properly constructed team with on-court leadership.
He actually was in 54-win season.
Obviously if his body will hold on.
STAT broke before we build anything competitive.
If I knew that he could average 60 healthy games a year for the remainder of his contract then I would be happy to keep him (assuming that phil can figure how to penetrate him).
If we will get stud player from draft of FA this should not be an issue.
Just sit him if he is breaking the plays...
He will have no choice to play a role (like on Olympics team) or find a place where he can call the shots.
arkrud wrote:mreinman wrote:arkrud wrote:mreinman wrote:all ... we are stuck with him. He is pretty close to untradeable.
This is his personal business to make something work for him.
I have no issue for him to stick around to have Dolan business-happy.
Casual fans also need some meat and selling off the Mecca.
I think Phil should have no issues too.
He may be even a big plus in properly constructed team with on-court leadership.
He actually was in 54-win season.
Obviously if his body will hold on.
STAT broke before we build anything competitive.
If I knew that he could average 60 healthy games a year for the remainder of his contract then I would be happy to keep him (assuming that phil can figure how to penetrate him).
If we will get stud player from draft of FA this should not be an issue.
Just sit him if he is breaking the plays...
He will have no choice to play a role (like on Olympics team) or find a place where he can call the shots.
I don't think that you grasp meloChess.
mreinman wrote:arkrud wrote:mreinman wrote:arkrud wrote:mreinman wrote:all ... we are stuck with him. He is pretty close to untradeable.
This is his personal business to make something work for him.
I have no issue for him to stick around to have Dolan business-happy.
Casual fans also need some meat and selling off the Mecca.
I think Phil should have no issues too.
He may be even a big plus in properly constructed team with on-court leadership.
He actually was in 54-win season.
Obviously if his body will hold on.
STAT broke before we build anything competitive.
If I knew that he could average 60 healthy games a year for the remainder of his contract then I would be happy to keep him (assuming that phil can figure how to penetrate him).
If we will get stud player from draft of FA this should not be an issue.
Just sit him if he is breaking the plays...
He will have no choice to play a role (like on Olympics team) or find a place where he can call the shots.
I don't think that you grasp meloChess.
I would say quitting on a Phil Jackson team would a poor move in MeloChess. I could be wrong, but I think he knows this is his last shot, and if he wants out it will be under the radar and we wont know it until it happens.
fishmike wrote:mreinman wrote:arkrud wrote:mreinman wrote:arkrud wrote:mreinman wrote:all ... we are stuck with him. He is pretty close to untradeable.
This is his personal business to make something work for him.
I have no issue for him to stick around to have Dolan business-happy.
Casual fans also need some meat and selling off the Mecca.
I think Phil should have no issues too.
He may be even a big plus in properly constructed team with on-court leadership.
He actually was in 54-win season.
Obviously if his body will hold on.
STAT broke before we build anything competitive.
If I knew that he could average 60 healthy games a year for the remainder of his contract then I would be happy to keep him (assuming that phil can figure how to penetrate him).
If we will get stud player from draft of FA this should not be an issue.
Just sit him if he is breaking the plays...
He will have no choice to play a role (like on Olympics team) or find a place where he can call the shots.
I don't think that you grasp meloChess.
I would say quitting on a Phil Jackson team would a poor move in MeloChess. I could be wrong, but I think he knows this is his last shot, and if he wants out it will be under the radar and we wont know it until it happens.
Melo is megastar so his PR-machine can make up things this way or another.
he may even get more $$$$ after the max will reset... Things will get tricky.
mreinman wrote:arkrud wrote:mreinman wrote:all ... we are stuck with him. He is pretty close to untradeable.
This is his personal business to make something work for him.
I have no issue for him to stick around to have Dolan business-happy.
Casual fans also need some meat and selling off the Mecca.
I think Phil should have no issues too.
He may be even a big plus in properly constructed team with on-court leadership.
He actually was in 54-win season.
Obviously if his body will hold on.
STAT broke before we build anything competitive.
If I knew that he could average 60 healthy games a year for the remainder of his contract then I would be happy to keep him (assuming that phil can figure how to penetrate him).
You still don't think we can get better production out of $25 mil per?!
mreinman wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:arkrud wrote:mreinman wrote:all ... we are stuck with him. He is pretty close to untradeable.
This is his personal business to make something work for him.
I have no issue for him to stick around to have Dolan business-happy.
Casual fans also need some meat and selling off the Mecca.
I think Phil should have no issues too.
He may be even a big plus in properly constructed team with on-court leadership.
He actually was in 54-win season.
Obviously if his body will hold on.
STAT broke before we build anything competitive.
If I knew that he could average 60 healthy games a year for the remainder of his contract then I would be happy to keep him (assuming that phil can figure how to penetrate him).
You still don't think we can get better production out of $25 mil per?!
better than what?
Better than Melo. He's obviously unlikely to get better as he ages. So, let's generously say better than a slightly worse version of what we've had the past 4 years.
I think he impacts his teams success to the extent that you'd want from a guy making around $10 mil per.
Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:arkrud wrote:mreinman wrote:all ... we are stuck with him. He is pretty close to untradeable.
This is his personal business to make something work for him.
I have no issue for him to stick around to have Dolan business-happy.
Casual fans also need some meat and selling off the Mecca.
I think Phil should have no issues too.
He may be even a big plus in properly constructed team with on-court leadership.
He actually was in 54-win season.
Obviously if his body will hold on.
STAT broke before we build anything competitive.
If I knew that he could average 60 healthy games a year for the remainder of his contract then I would be happy to keep him (assuming that phil can figure how to penetrate him).
You still don't think we can get better production out of $25 mil per?!
No doubt. But the hand is dealt. Now we need to play it.
We can call a bluff or can wait if matching cards will come from the deck.
Folding is not an option in NBA.
Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:arkrud wrote:mreinman wrote:all ... we are stuck with him. He is pretty close to untradeable.
This is his personal business to make something work for him.
I have no issue for him to stick around to have Dolan business-happy.
Casual fans also need some meat and selling off the Mecca.
I think Phil should have no issues too.
He may be even a big plus in properly constructed team with on-court leadership.
He actually was in 54-win season.
Obviously if his body will hold on.
STAT broke before we build anything competitive.
If I knew that he could average 60 healthy games a year for the remainder of his contract then I would be happy to keep him (assuming that phil can figure how to penetrate him).
You still don't think we can get better production out of $25 mil per?!
better than what?
Better than Melo. He's obviously unlikely to get better as he ages. So, let's generously say better than a slightly worse version of what we've had the past 4 years.
I think he impacts his teams success to the extent that you'd want from a guy making around $10 mil per.
eh ... if he played like he did last year and the year before, I think that he is worth 16-18 for the right team (e.g. Houston).
not all production is equal. See Kevin Love
mreinman wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:arkrud wrote:mreinman wrote:all ... we are stuck with him. He is pretty close to untradeable.
This is his personal business to make something work for him.
I have no issue for him to stick around to have Dolan business-happy.
Casual fans also need some meat and selling off the Mecca.
I think Phil should have no issues too.
He may be even a big plus in properly constructed team with on-court leadership.
He actually was in 54-win season.
Obviously if his body will hold on.
STAT broke before we build anything competitive.
If I knew that he could average 60 healthy games a year for the remainder of his contract then I would be happy to keep him (assuming that phil can figure how to penetrate him).
You still don't think we can get better production out of $25 mil per?!
better than what?
Better than Melo. He's obviously unlikely to get better as he ages. So, let's generously say better than a slightly worse version of what we've had the past 4 years.
I think he impacts his teams success to the extent that you'd want from a guy making around $10 mil per.
eh ... if he played like he did last year and the year before, I think that he is worth 16-18 for the right team (e.g. Houston).
Not many players in years 13 to 16 play like they did in their best prime years. Even at 16 mil, that's a huge amount less than 25 mil anyway. He's just shiny candy. What do you like so much about him other than high PPG at sightly impressive efficiency? We've been a .400s team with him. I think this is just a case of what social scientists call the endowment effect (overvaluing something just because it's yours). If he was playing at this level on some other team, no one hear would be saying, "Let's go grab Melo and give him the largest contract in the league!" It's hard to say a) his contract is almost untradeable (which I think you did say) and b) I'm happy to have him at this contract for the next 4 years. If it's a good or even adequate bargain, why would no one want him?
fishmike wrote:not all production is equal. See Kevin Love
When I say "production," I'm talking about contribution to total wins, not the box score stats.
Morey put it best when he said something like, "Someone invented the box score. And that person should be shot."
mreinman wrote:fishmike wrote:not all production is equal. See Kevin Love
see what?
That's a good question anyway. I doubt we'd be worse than .480 in the past 4 years if you replaced Melo with Love. I think we'd be a lot better actually.
Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:arkrud wrote:mreinman wrote:all ... we are stuck with him. He is pretty close to untradeable.
This is his personal business to make something work for him.
I have no issue for him to stick around to have Dolan business-happy.
Casual fans also need some meat and selling off the Mecca.
I think Phil should have no issues too.
He may be even a big plus in properly constructed team with on-court leadership.
He actually was in 54-win season.
Obviously if his body will hold on.
STAT broke before we build anything competitive.
If I knew that he could average 60 healthy games a year for the remainder of his contract then I would be happy to keep him (assuming that phil can figure how to penetrate him).
You still don't think we can get better production out of $25 mil per?!
better than what?
Better than Melo. He's obviously unlikely to get better as he ages. So, let's generously say better than a slightly worse version of what we've had the past 4 years.
I think he impacts his teams success to the extent that you'd want from a guy making around $10 mil per.
eh ... if he played like he did last year and the year before, I think that he is worth 16-18 for the right team (e.g. Houston).
Not many players in years 13 to 16 play like they did in their best prime years. Even at 16 mil, that's a huge amount less than 25 mil anyway. He's just shiny candy. What do you like so much about him other than high PPG at sightly impressive efficiency? We've been a .400s team with him. I think this is just a case of what social scientists call the endowment effect (overvaluing something just because it's yours). If he was playing at this level on some other team, no one hear would be saying, "Let's go grab Melo and give him the largest contract in the league!" It's hard to say a) his contract is almost untradeable (which I think you did say) and b) I'm happy to have him at this contract for the next 4 years. If it's a good or even adequate bargain, why would no one want him?
I am not sure what you are saying or alluding to.
I don't think that he is worth his contract and I don't think that he has any real trade value.
I do not think that he will remain healthy for most of his remaining contract.
I don't think that his production will compare to last year or the year before. If it did, I think that he would be worth 16-18 million. But, I don't think he is/will be worth this since I don't believe that he will be able to sustain / achieve those levels.
For the most part, I am really disgusted with his play this year and I said that I will be very critical of him since he signed this ludicrous contract.
I was not that upset with him before the contract since I believe that we got what we paid for.
