EnySpree wrote:knicks1248 wrote:You gotta be kidding me, they gave up a 120 points
If you were expecting the Knicks group to dominate the Houston Rockets in any way then I don't know what to tell you.
You gotta let go the losing and just enjoy what's going on. We're not going to all of a sudden win 20 straight. We're letting the young guys play. It literally was alot of fun watching them.
Can't wait to see what happens when we trade all four of them and 3 first round picks for StephCurryRudyGayKevinLoveKobe. Starphucque be comin!
CrushAlot wrote:franco12 wrote:I don't know. I watched and thought our guys - these young guys- were outmanned even against Houston's 2nd unit.Yes, they had their moments.
But my gosh is this squad atrocious.
I don't know. I saw a stat that said the starters on the knicks were outscored 26-87. I thought the kids looked good.
Yup.
The +/- differences between our starters and our 2nd unit was pretty significant, and I think our subs- at least some of them, played significant minutes against Houston's starters.
We really do need some interior bulk and D, though- that is evident no matter who is on the floor for us.
Watched most of the game. What impressed me about the second unit was how well the ball moved vs the starters. Hardaway looks like he has no confidence in his shot but that isnt stopping him from jacking them up anyway. Still believe we should wait until the offseason before even considering moving him.
Wear has the makings of a good 6th man if he can keep progressing. Loved Galloway's energy. Early is making good use of his minutes. Calderon looks like a weekend warrior who stumbled onto an NBA game. If Bargs was a horse they would have shot him by now.
I agree it was fun to watch, nice to see the ball moving well at times. This season is about role players and this is a great opportunity to give ours a closer look.
GustavBahler wrote:Watched most of the game. What impressed me about the second unit was how well the ball moved vs the starters. Hardaway looks like he has no confidence in his shot but that isnt stopping him from jacking them up anyway. Still believe we should wait until the offseason before even considering moving him. Wear has the makings of a good 6th man if he can keep progressing. Loved Galloway's energy. Early is making good use of his minutes. Calderon looks like a weekend warrior who stumbled onto an NBA game. If Bargs was a horse they would have shot him by now.
I agree it was fun to watch, nice to see the ball moving well at times. This season is about role players and this is a great opportunity to give ours a closer look.
hillarious 
BRIGGS wrote:When you have guys you can root for--its ok to accept losing.I just don't know how anyone who watches Calderon wouldnt want to either dump him--even if that meant Hardaway. I don't even think hardaway is really that good--or maybe just not here where this team is. he s dreadful on D and is severely inconsistent.
I think what you saw was more ballers--meaning guys who have all around play--compared to the one way Hardaway. The only thing play guys like Prigs Calderon and Smith does is guarantee a loss which is ok too.
I completely agree- no only is Tim Jr playing like crap, he seems to have a bad attitude too. At best he's a 20min bench guy who'll sometimes shoot well and sometimes shoot 1 for 9, with nothing in between. And with no defense, no rebounds or assists. I'd like us to move him and Calderon before they diminish their value further by playing more games.
mreinman wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Watched most of the game. What impressed me about the second unit was how well the ball moved vs the starters. Hardaway looks like he has no confidence in his shot but that isnt stopping him from jacking them up anyway. Still believe we should wait until the offseason before even considering moving him. Wear has the makings of a good 6th man if he can keep progressing. Loved Galloway's energy. Early is making good use of his minutes. Calderon looks like a weekend warrior who stumbled onto an NBA game. If Bargs was a horse they would have shot him by now.
I agree it was fun to watch, nice to see the ball moving well at times. This season is about role players and this is a great opportunity to give ours a closer look.
hillarious
yea man that was a legit lol. Classic
I think drafting Tim Hardaway JR was a mistake
Rudy Gobert had one of the highest ceilings and filled a need, Plumlee would have been nice but was drafted one pick b4 us and has lottery potential as a great steal
RonRon wrote:I think drafting Tim Hardaway JR was a mistakeRudy Gobert had one of the highest ceilings and filled a need, Plumlee would have been nice but was drafted one pick b4 us and has lottery potential as a great steal
Fans probably endorsed the pick at the time
Probably thought he was going to be good because of who his dad was
I saw question marks but still thought he deserved a fair shot
I'll give THJR another 10gms but doesn't appear he's what we truly need
Definitely not as a starting 2 guard, just a novelty player at this point
I was hoping he would provide a little spark
Disappointing he's not taking full advantage of this opportunity
I'd have no problem trading him in February
RonRon wrote:I think drafting Tim Hardaway JR was a mistakeRudy Gobert had one of the highest ceilings and filled a need, Plumlee would have been nice but was drafted one pick b4 us and has lottery potential as a great steal
kinda revisionist history though... I do not like THjr one bit. Never been sold on him as he's shown very little besides some nice open court scoring and some horribly streaky shooting... but that being said I think it was a fine pick. The potential to expand his game around that shooting was there. It hasnt panned out.
Mistake seems a bit strong. Rolando Balkmam, a guy nobody ever heard of was mistake to take. Rondo and Lowry were on the board. Then Knicks take Mardy Collins. Thats is a huge mistake.
I think THjr is just a swing and miss. Most picks around that area.
Hopefully now we can just enjoy watching Early, Galloway, Acy, Aldrich, Wear etc blossom into solid role players with no expectations and not win another game this season. Maybe lose some close games, but the prssure to win is off. I really want to see some of these guys turn into solid role players ready to contribute at a high level when we have a legit team to put on the floor with a starting lineup surrounding Melo of above-average to all-star caliber players. Is that so much to ask?
There's still a chance for THJ to get it together. If he could return any value if traded then I wouldn't be mad at that. He's just not the kind of 2 way player we need to start collecting on this team. It looks like he'll never be a good defender and that's my biggest issue. I think he'll come around offensively.
nixluva wrote:There's still a chance for THJ to get it together. If he could return any value if traded then I wouldn't be mad at that. He's just not the kind of 2 way player we need to start collecting on this team. It looks like he'll never be a good defender and that's my biggest issue. I think he'll come around offensively.
streaky shooters remain streaky through out their careers.
But here's what i don't like about developing young players on a losing team. They develop a losing mentality, which is what this team has more than anything. They believe they are going to lose no matter the effort, the mental part is the part that needs developing. It's the same thing phil pointed out months ago.
Good numbers on a losing team means nothing, we know this, that's why it's more important to win when developing, because if you don't have the confidence that your efforts will result in a win, your spirit is broken, you lose trust, and you become a selfish player.
F500ONE wrote:RonRon wrote:I think drafting Tim Hardaway JR was a mistakeRudy Gobert had one of the highest ceilings and filled a need, Plumlee would have been nice but was drafted one pick b4 us and has lottery potential as a great steal
Fans probably endorsed the pick at the time
Probably thought he was going to be good because of who his dad was
I saw question marks but still thought he deserved a fair shot
I'll give THJR another 10gms but doesn't appear he's what we truly need
Definitely not as a starting 2 guard, just a novelty player at this point
I was hoping he would provide a little spark
Disappointing he's not taking full advantage of this opportunity
I'd have no problem trading him in February
Gobert was on the wish list here for some. I think the knock against him was that he wasn't ready now, the Knicks had Tyson and had just one 54 games etc. You can't ignore a guy with his size. A lot of teams missed the boat there.
For one night, three new Knick players put up nice numbers and played well.
Like others have commented, they were much more enjoyable to watch
than what we've suffered through so far.
But, let me see their body of work for 25 games and how that sorts out.
I hope that they can continue to play well and make their way onto the 2015-2016 roster.
knicks1248 wrote:nixluva wrote:There's still a chance for THJ to get it together. If he could return any value if traded then I wouldn't be mad at that. He's just not the kind of 2 way player we need to start collecting on this team. It looks like he'll never be a good defender and that's my biggest issue. I think he'll come around offensively.
streaky shooters remain streaky through out their careers.
But here's what i don't like about developing young players on a losing team. They develop a losing mentality, which is what this team has more than anything. They believe they are going to lose no matter the effort, the mental part is the part that needs developing. It's the same thing phil pointed out months ago.
Good numbers on a losing team means nothing, we know this, that's why it's more important to win when developing, because if you don't have the confidence that your efforts will result in a win, your spirit is broken, you lose trust, and you become a selfish player.
+1 very solid points. It will benifit us now but in the long run, eventually, it will come back to bit them in the ass.
TPercy wrote:knicks1248 wrote:nixluva wrote:There's still a chance for THJ to get it together. If he could return any value if traded then I wouldn't be mad at that. He's just not the kind of 2 way player we need to start collecting on this team. It looks like he'll never be a good defender and that's my biggest issue. I think he'll come around offensively.
streaky shooters remain streaky through out their careers.
But here's what i don't like about developing young players on a losing team. They develop a losing mentality, which is what this team has more than anything. They believe they are going to lose no matter the effort, the mental part is the part that needs developing. It's the same thing phil pointed out months ago.
Good numbers on a losing team means nothing, we know this, that's why it's more important to win when developing, because if you don't have the confidence that your efforts will result in a win, your spirit is broken, you lose trust, and you become a selfish player.
+1 very solid points. It will benifit us now but in the long run, eventually, it will come back to bit them in the ass.
If a player is that way then they don't need to be on the roster. That's the reason we got rid of shump and jr. Two guys that could not be professional basically. Thjr is showing that same kind of characteristics. It's his time to shine and he's up and down.
If the Knicks sign Wesley Mathews or trade for lance Stevenson no one would care about thjr, shump or Jr smith
smackeddog wrote:BRIGGS wrote:When you have guys you can root for--its ok to accept losing.I just don't know how anyone who watches Calderon wouldnt want to either dump him--even if that meant Hardaway. I don't even think hardaway is really that good--or maybe just not here where this team is. he s dreadful on D and is severely inconsistent.
I think what you saw was more ballers--meaning guys who have all around play--compared to the one way Hardaway. The only thing play guys like Prigs Calderon and Smith does is guarantee a loss which is ok too.
I completely agree- no only is Tim Jr playing like crap, he seems to have a bad attitude too. At best he's a 20min bench guy who'll sometimes shoot well and sometimes shoot 1 for 9, with nothing in between. And with no defense, no rebounds or assists. I'd like us to move him and Calderon before they diminish their value further by playing more games.
Agreed. Remember when last year THjr was practically deified by us Knicks fans and a lot of people pointed to his pedigree and his pops being an NBA great. I was actually thinking about just how big of a d!ckhead Tim Sr. is in actuality and perhaps the reason why his son seems to have attitude problems is that he was raised by such a douchebag as Tim Hardaway. Cause lets face it we always hated that a-hole and he did nothing to diminish that villain perception with some of the dumb azz public comments he's made over the years.
So yeah, if THjr blossoms and becomes a good player, great. But I harbor serious doubts about his skill and his attitude. I'd trade him
For a 1st rounder in a heartbeat.
RonRon wrote:I think drafting Tim Hardaway JR was a mistakeRudy Gobert had one of the highest ceilings and filled a need, Plumlee would have been nice but was drafted one pick b4 us and has lottery potential as a great steal
I keep reading his name as Robert Gobert- I don't know why
H1AND1 wrote:smackeddog wrote:BRIGGS wrote:When you have guys you can root for--its ok to accept losing.I just don't know how anyone who watches Calderon wouldnt want to either dump him--even if that meant Hardaway. I don't even think hardaway is really that good--or maybe just not here where this team is. he s dreadful on D and is severely inconsistent.
I think what you saw was more ballers--meaning guys who have all around play--compared to the one way Hardaway. The only thing play guys like Prigs Calderon and Smith does is guarantee a loss which is ok too.
I completely agree- no only is Tim Jr playing like crap, he seems to have a bad attitude too. At best he's a 20min bench guy who'll sometimes shoot well and sometimes shoot 1 for 9, with nothing in between. And with no defense, no rebounds or assists. I'd like us to move him and Calderon before they diminish their value further by playing more games.
Agreed. Remember when last year THjr was practically deified by us Knicks fans and a lot of people pointed to his pedigree and his pops being an NBA great. I was actually thinking about just how big of a d!ckhead Tim Sr. is in actuality and perhaps the reason why his son seems to have attitude problems is that he was raised by such a douchebag as Tim Hardaway. Cause lets face it we always hated that a-hole and he did nothing to diminish that villain perception with some of the dumb azz public comments he's made over the years.
So yeah, if THjr blossoms and becomes a good player, great. But I harbor serious doubts about his skill and his attitude. I'd trade him
For a 1st rounder in a heartbeat.
Ha, I hated his dad soooooooooo much! He was a grade A Arsehole, who loved beating us (as much as I loved watching us beat him and his Heat team). The annoying think is once we trade Tim Jr, he will likely go off on us every time we play his new team.
