mreinman wrote:this gets my vote for most ridiculous post/suggestion of the month.
theres been a ton of entrants into that discussion.
nyk4ever wrote:why would you give up a first round pick for someone who's probably going to be a free-agent next year anyway?
Had Phil traded Shumpert by himself what would you all have expected back?
A 1st rounder right even if it had heavy protection
So why wouldn't we trade a future first for $7-8mil of cap space
So in other words you guys absolutely hated the Cavs trade
So $29-30mil of cap space is just right but $36-37mil oh no way too much
It's okay to trade 1st round value for $6-7mil of cap but not $7-8mil of cap
I can understand not wanting to trade future assets
But the feelings and principles should always have harmony and not a double standard
nyk4ever wrote:F500ONE wrote:nyk4ever wrote:why would you give up a first round pick for someone who's probably going to be a free-agent next year anyway?
Had Phil traded Shumpert by himself what would you all have expected back?
A 1st rounder right even if it had heavy protection
So why wouldn't we trade a future first for $7-8mil of cap space
So in other words you guys absolutely hated the Cavs trade
the difference
between kevin love
and wilson chandler
is pretty vast
that's a very poor
comparison for you
to make
That's not the difference the difference is simply asset for cap space
J.R. Smith and Shump is the same value as Calderon and a future 1st
We can't talk our way out of this
F500,
There are times when we all made bad posts or a thought jumped thru our fingers without much thought. Some a more frequent occurance.
There are times when you say, "yeah, that was a silly thought", or "upon further thought, Im wrong".......
This might be one of those times.
To defend a point even when its not constructed properly fuels my perception that you'd rather be "right" than "Accurate"!
I think the fact some are even willing to argue this with you is pretty generous of them.
Usually I try to bring a point of conversation and even my position. But in this case all I can say is: "Shy Wilson for Calderone and an 1st round pick is just ignorent".
I should say why right? Nope, its just so plainly bad I cannot dignify it but very relieved your not running the team.
I should add that ideas like that make you really uncredible to even remotely critique Phil on any mistake he might have made. its like you just suck up bandwith and waste it.
F500ONE wrote:nyk4ever wrote:F500ONE wrote:nyk4ever wrote:why would you give up a first round pick for someone who's probably going to be a free-agent next year anyway?
Had Phil traded Shumpert by himself what would you all have expected back?
A 1st rounder right even if it had heavy protection
So why wouldn't we trade a future first for $7-8mil of cap space
So in other words you guys absolutely hated the Cavs trade
the difference
between kevin love
and wilson chandler
is pretty vast
that's a very poor
comparison for you
to make
That's not the difference the difference is simply asset for cap space
J.R. Smith and Shump is the same value as Calderon and a future 1st
We can't talk our way out of this
You are talking out of your azz. Get some basketball knowledge.You can't justify giving up a #1 for Chandler. You are acting like a 12 yr old kid.
F500ONE wrote:nyk4ever wrote:why would you give up a first round pick for someone who's probably going to be a free-agent next year anyway?
Had Phil traded Shumpert by himself what would you all have expected back?
A 1st rounder right even if it had heavy protection
So why wouldn't we trade a future first for $7-8mil of cap space
So in other words you guys absolutely hated the Cavs trade
But if we never assume Chandlers and his contract then the same amount of "cap space" is open at the end of the season, right? So we give up a pick to assume a player who will then walk leaving the same amount of space open if we had never assumed the tail end of his contract anyway? Please explain what you meant cause this makes no sense. What am I missing here?
How is trading a 1st for Chandler in any way the same as dumping Shump + JR? Giving up a 2018 1st for Wilson Chandler, especially on an expiring contract or not, would be a pretty awful move.
calderon for chandler straight up, maybe a 2nd rounder. Chandler is not a good option for the triangle, and With a coach like fisher, it is absolutely imperative that we acquire players with IQ's through the roof.
Denver is having a fire sell. Afflalo is probably on the way out too.
yellowboy90 wrote:Denver is having a fire sell. Afflalo is probably on the way out too.
Two retarded GM's at work, didn't Nate play with Boston?
knicks1248 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:Denver is having a fire sell. Afflalo is probably on the way out too.
Two retarded GM's at work, didn't Nate play with Boston?
Rumor is that the Celts plan to buy Lil Nate out.
F500ONE wrote:
That's right the Nuggets want picks or probably youth
Not in the business of giving them away
Anyway this guy we need back badly
I'd trade Calderon and 2018 1st for him
So, right after you praise thr Nuggs for not being in the business of giving up picks, you want the knicks to give up a 1st? How is that good business? also, its clear you feel that Pjax gave up too much for cap relief, so why compound the problem by clearly giving up so much for a soon to be FA?
knicks1248 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:Denver is having a fire sell. Afflalo is probably on the way out too.
Two retarded GM's at work, didn't Nate play with Boston?
Ainge retarded? The guy is rebuilding that team pretty well. I think they have like 10 or 11 1st rnd picks in the next 3 yrs.
F500ONE wrote:nyk4ever wrote:why would you give up a first round pick for someone who's probably going to be a free-agent next year anyway?
Had Phil traded Shumpert by himself what would you all have expected back?
A 1st rounder right even if it had heavy protection
So why wouldn't we trade a future first for $7-8mil of cap space
So in other words you guys absolutely hated the Cavs trade
You're either retarded, trolling or perhaps both. Since you've apparently been banned multiple times, I'm guessing both. Chandler is basically a throw away. Calderone's salary although inefficient is manageable given the cap space the Knicks have already tucked away and the looming TV deal revenue which will increase the cap. Shumpert was a first rounder 4 years ago and his value has diminished with the Knicks. The 2018 pick has value as potential...a tradable commodity wortj more than Shumpert and 7 mil in cap space combined.
foosballnick wrote:F500ONE wrote:nyk4ever wrote:why would you give up a first round pick for someone who's probably going to be a free-agent next year anyway?
Had Phil traded Shumpert by himself what would you all have expected back?
A 1st rounder right even if it had heavy protection
So why wouldn't we trade a future first for $7-8mil of cap space
So in other words you guys absolutely hated the Cavs trade
You're either retarded, trolling or perhaps both. Since you've apparently been banned multiple times, I'm guessing both. Chandler is basically a throw away. Calderone's salary although inefficient is manageable given the cap space the Knicks have already tucked away and the looming TV deal revenue which will increase the cap. Shumpert was a first rounder 4 years ago and his value has diminished with the Knicks. The 2018 pick has value as potential...a tradable commodity wortj more than Shumpert and 7 mil in cap space combined.
Stop the lies
Obviously not because one 1st rounder couldn't
Get the Cavs Mozgov it took 2
Dion Waiter had more value than one 1st rounder
If we put the 1st rounder on the market right now by itself
I bet it doesn't bring back more than a talent like Tony Wroten or Dennis Shroeder
What all of you are doing is looking at the poster again
Making this real personal and our past history instead of
Judging based on what the market value suggest where the value lies
And this thread is an obvious omission that no matter the cap space
You guys don't have confidence in Phil's ability to work with it
Nor his ability to put together a team worthwhile where a 1st
Would be of no concern 3yrs down the road
I was thinking outside the box to get some talent on the team NOW
And give the team a little more flexibility
F500ONE wrote:foosballnick wrote:F500ONE wrote:nyk4ever wrote:why would you give up a first round pick for someone who's probably going to be a free-agent next year anyway?
Had Phil traded Shumpert by himself what would you all have expected back?
A 1st rounder right even if it had heavy protection
So why wouldn't we trade a future first for $7-8mil of cap space
So in other words you guys absolutely hated the Cavs trade
You're either retarded, trolling or perhaps both. Since you've apparently been banned multiple times, I'm guessing both. Chandler is basically a throw away. Calderone's salary although inefficient is manageable given the cap space the Knicks have already tucked away and the looming TV deal revenue which will increase the cap. Shumpert was a first rounder 4 years ago and his value has diminished with the Knicks. The 2018 pick has value as potential...a tradable commodity wortj more than Shumpert and 7 mil in cap space combined.
Stop the lies
Obviously not because one 1st rounder couldn't
Get the Cavs Mozgov it took 2
Dion Waiter had more value than one 1st rounder
If we put the 1st rounder on the market right now by itself
I bet it doesn't bring back more than a talent like Tony Wroten or Dennis Shroeder
What all of you are doing is looking at the poster again
Making this real personal and our past history instead of
Judging based on what the market value suggest where the value lies
And this thread is an obvious omission that no matter the cap space
You guys don't have confidence in Phil's ability to work with it
Nor his ability to put together a team worthwhile where a 1st
Would be of no concern 3yrs down the road
I was thinking outside the box to get some talent on the team NOW
And give the team a little more flexibility
The picks are heavily protected and it is predicted that they will be second rounders.
http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/236...
CrushAlot wrote:The picks are heavily protected and it is predicted that they will be second rounders.
http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/236...
Not really The Cavs for sure will be a Top 12 team next yr[currently 14th]
If not this yr, I believe they go on a mini run second half of season
Keep in mind Lebron missed like 10gms already
The protection next yr basically says as long as they
Aren't a fringe playoff team Nugz get the 1st
F500ONE wrote:foosballnick wrote:F500ONE wrote:nyk4ever wrote:why would you give up a first round pick for someone who's probably going to be a free-agent next year anyway?
Had Phil traded Shumpert by himself what would you all have expected back?
A 1st rounder right even if it had heavy protection
So why wouldn't we trade a future first for $7-8mil of cap space
So in other words you guys absolutely hated the Cavs trade
You're either retarded, trolling or perhaps both. Since you've apparently been banned multiple times, I'm guessing both. Chandler is basically a throw away. Calderone's salary although inefficient is manageable given the cap space the Knicks have already tucked away and the looming TV deal revenue which will increase the cap. Shumpert was a first rounder 4 years ago and his value has diminished with the Knicks. The 2018 pick has value as potential...a tradable commodity wortj more than Shumpert and 7 mil in cap space combined.
Stop the lies
Obviously not because one 1st rounder couldn't
Get the Cavs Mozgov it took 2
Dion Waiter had more value than one 1st rounder
If we put the 1st rounder on the market right now by itself
I bet it doesn't bring back more than a talent like Tony Wroten or Dennis Shroeder
What all of you are doing is looking at the poster again
Making this real personal and our past history instead of
Judging based on what the market value suggest where the value lies
And this thread is an obvious omission that no matter the cap space
You guys don't have confidence in Phil's ability to work with it
Nor his ability to put together a team worthwhile where a 1st
Would be of no concern 3yrs down the road
I was thinking outside the box to get some talent on the team NOW
And give the team a little more flexibility
One more time.....the Knicks already have significant cap flexibility going into this off-season. There is no reason to trade another asset (1st Round Pick) away at this time for $7 million in cap space for next year. If there comes a time where they need that $7 million, you way the potential value of that 1st rounder vs the target player you are trying to acquire. In the meantime you try to improve Calderone's value and move him through other means.
The Mozgov trade was reactionary and done out of need for the Cavs - who are in "Win Now" mode. This type of trade will generally yield a higher return for the receiving team since there is a sense of desperation from the other team.
Not sure how you extrapolate that there is no confidence in Phil based on people not wanting to give up a 2018 #1 for nothing except $7 mil of cap space. The reality is that you are grandstanding that the Knicks should make an impulsive move right now, when there is in fact no pressing need to do so at this time.
