Knicks · Can Phil get us a pick in the 16-25 range? (page 1)

If he can--I think we can walk out of the draft with two awesome bigs to set the foundation for years.

I think we can additional wings/guards in round 2 if we buy a couple of picks

This draft is just loaded with bigs that have a LOT of potential. We would have to be patient as fans--but we could have a young talent level akin to having a Patrick Ewing and a Horace Grant on the same team/same year.

I really like our chances to be much improved even in year 1.

I'd almost say we should trade cap space (with Amar'e or Barg's ending deal) for picks.

I think picks are needed more than any FA big name (who isn't going to sign here anyway!)

franco12 wrote:I'd almost say we should trade cap space (with Amar'e or Barg's ending deal) for picks.

I think picks are needed more than any FA big name (who isn't going to sign here anyway!)

how is Amare's and Bargs' space worth anything? Its not.

Can we "Buy a couple of picks"? Seems that teams with hedge fund owners have plenty of money and value picks more than in previous eras.

I wouldn't hold you to it, but how do you see us getting that second pick? Via trade? Trade down?

I agree with what your saying. We could take back a contract with another year on it with a low/mid 1st pick via trade and save some of the cap space for another year.
Its not a signiture starphuch move crave but as you said, we need to build a base of talent.

mreinman wrote:

franco12 wrote:I'd almost say we should trade cap space (with Amar'e or Barg's ending deal) for picks.

I think picks are needed more than any FA big name (who isn't going to sign here anyway!)

how is Amare's and Bargs' space worth anything? Its not.

WE dumped JR and it cost us Shump. Someone wants to dump a player has to give us a pick.
Bargs 11 mil expires for a player that has this and next season on it for 11mil. the pick is why.

This way we could..........

Bargs for:

No 20 pick (hypothetical)
1.5 year rental player

We still have our no. 1 pick this year and 19mil for free agent(s).

Have yoot core that includes Wear, THJr, Galloway, Thanasis,

Gotta start somewhere.

mreinman wrote:

franco12 wrote:I'd almost say we should trade cap space (with Amar'e or Barg's ending deal) for picks.

I think picks are needed more than any FA big name (who isn't going to sign here anyway!)

how is Amare's and Bargs' space worth anything? Its not.

Bargs for David Lee and Golden State's first rounder this year (if they haven't traded it).

Gives them 15M in cap relief- not sure that enables them to do anything, but I think G State would make that trade.

franco12 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

franco12 wrote:I'd almost say we should trade cap space (with Amar'e or Barg's ending deal) for picks.

I think picks are needed more than any FA big name (who isn't going to sign here anyway!)

how is Amare's and Bargs' space worth anything? Its not.

Bargs for David Lee and Golden State's first rounder this year (if they haven't traded it).

Gives them 15M in cap relief- not sure that enables them to do anything, but I think G State would make that trade.

Yes, something like that!!!! Bargs if healthy could help them as well!!!

franco12 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

franco12 wrote:I'd almost say we should trade cap space (with Amar'e or Barg's ending deal) for picks.

I think picks are needed more than any FA big name (who isn't going to sign here anyway!)

how is Amare's and Bargs' space worth anything? Its not.

Bargs for David Lee and Golden State's first rounder this year (if they haven't traded it).

Gives them 15M in cap relief- not sure that enables them to do anything, but I think G State would make that trade.

And I'll go one better - Bargs for Derrick Rose & 2 Chicago first rounders.

We'd be stupid to do that trade!

franco12 wrote:

franco12 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

franco12 wrote:I'd almost say we should trade cap space (with Amar'e or Barg's ending deal) for picks.

I think picks are needed more than any FA big name (who isn't going to sign here anyway!)

how is Amare's and Bargs' space worth anything? Its not.

Bargs for David Lee and Golden State's first rounder this year (if they haven't traded it).

Gives them 15M in cap relief- not sure that enables them to do anything, but I think G State would make that trade.

And I'll go one better - Bargs for Derrick Rose & 2 Chicago first rounders.

We'd be stupid to do that trade!

Very Dolanesque. But he'd not get the picks!

Nalod wrote:

franco12 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

franco12 wrote:I'd almost say we should trade cap space (with Amar'e or Barg's ending deal) for picks.

I think picks are needed more than any FA big name (who isn't going to sign here anyway!)

how is Amare's and Bargs' space worth anything? Its not.

Bargs for David Lee and Golden State's first rounder this year (if they haven't traded it).

Gives them 15M in cap relief- not sure that enables them to do anything, but I think G State would make that trade.

Yes, something like that!!!! Bargs if healthy could help them as well!!!

can we stop saying that? Bargs ain't never healthy, and when he has been he has only hurt teams not helped them.

With top 5 protection--Im willing to swap a 2018 1st rounder for a pick 15-22(ONLY for a player we feel great about--that in other drafts might be worth a very decent lottery pick)

This is the only way I d trade a future.

Here is why. The pick would be advanced to 2015 swapping out with a team like Boston who simply has too many and want to take back future 1st round assets for current one's. It allows us to make a pick IN 2015 and gives us THREE years start on that 2018 pick. Of course it would have to be for a player we really love--but would I swap a future 1 for 1 this year in the right place/player---YES.

Im sure they are trying right now with the ending contracts---hopefully we can see something--but I do think the future 1st round asset holds potential to move us into a second first round pick this year.

Doubt it, but probably only a couple scenarios to make it possible, maybe a combination of all 3 to move up

1- taking back a bad contract, which would limit our ability to spend this summer, which would also make CA not a very happy man, I am sure with the way his contract was strucutured he was told NYK's would dramatically improve by this summer

However, we could take back bad contracts like that would cost us more money to just this year while paying the tax
We have 3 trade exemptions that would be held against our cap to spend for the summer, something previously was not done (feel this rule should be applied for the next CBA in 2017, as many teams have used this loophole already and now that it is our turn, we get screwed for the loophole)

2- trading our younger guys for 2nd round picks, like Tim Hardaway JR for multiple 2nd rounders and then moving up, maybe Larkin/Acey to contenders for 1 2nd rounder, I like Acey as well but he is also a RFA this summer, then moving up with other moves

3- trading CA, I really do not know what his trade value is at this point with his injury in additiont his contract (which is overpayed) and the way we are struggling with him
However, he is still one of the better scorers in the league
I am not sure if his injury is as serious as the rumors or leaking or if we use just thinking about tanking and looking to shut him down for more ping pong balls while not risking furthur injury

4- buying another pick, as many teams have too many picks in the next couple of years (not sure if we used any money this season, which I do not think we did, we would again get the spend the 3m+ next summer which is AFTER the draft, but we could get the rights to the players, so it could be a scenario that is agreed upon after)

5- trading down with our draft pick that is projected to be the #1 or #2 pick while teams like Boston, Philly have like over 15 picks in the next 2 seasons, and many teams have over 2-3 picks each year

6- our young guys include

Tim Hardaway JR

Thanasis which i do not look to part with
Early

Larkin/Acey

not sure if these guys would net us 2nd rounders but

Pablo/Jason Smith/Cole Aldrich *which I would like to keep because we could use his contract to go over the cap and use the full MLE rather than just the LLE aka BAE*

Ron isn't it the opposite? When you are over the cap you get the LLE. When you are under you get the full MLE to spend

mreinman wrote:

franco12 wrote:I'd almost say we should trade cap space (with Amar'e or Barg's ending deal) for picks.

I think picks are needed more than any FA big name (who isn't going to sign here anyway!)

how is Amare's and Bargs' space worth anything? Its not.

A couple decent deals have been mentioned... but the gist is simple. We pass on FAs because we add salary but we get picks in return. Its still a business the league is full of lopsided trades talent-wise because one team saved money.

fishmike wrote:

mreinman wrote:

franco12 wrote:I'd almost say we should trade cap space (with Amar'e or Barg's ending deal) for picks.

I think picks are needed more than any FA big name (who isn't going to sign here anyway!)

how is Amare's and Bargs' space worth anything? Its not.

A couple decent deals have been mentioned... but the gist is simple. We pass on FAs because we add salary but we get picks in return. Its still a business the league is full of lopsided trades talent-wise because one team saved money.

the only way to dump salary is to take on someone elses unwanted crap.

I really hope that we stay away from that.

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:

mreinman wrote:

franco12 wrote:I'd almost say we should trade cap space (with Amar'e or Barg's ending deal) for picks.

I think picks are needed more than any FA big name (who isn't going to sign here anyway!)

how is Amare's and Bargs' space worth anything? Its not.

A couple decent deals have been mentioned... but the gist is simple. We pass on FAs because we add salary but we get picks in return. Its still a business the league is full of lopsided trades talent-wise because one team saved money.

the only way to dump salary is to take on someone elses unwanted crap.

I really hope that we stay away from that.

Thats why we would get a pick--this is a rebuild--if you have to take crp--you take it. Were not spending 34 mm on FA this year--just listen to what Phil said.

BRIGGS wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:

mreinman wrote:

franco12 wrote:I'd almost say we should trade cap space (with Amar'e or Barg's ending deal) for picks.

I think picks are needed more than any FA big name (who isn't going to sign here anyway!)

how is Amare's and Bargs' space worth anything? Its not.

A couple decent deals have been mentioned... but the gist is simple. We pass on FAs because we add salary but we get picks in return. Its still a business the league is full of lopsided trades talent-wise because one team saved money.

the only way to dump salary is to take on someone elses unwanted crap.

I really hope that we stay away from that.

Thats why we would get a pick--this is a rebuild--if you have to take crp--you take it. Were not spending 34 mm on FA this year--just listen to what Phil said.

Briggs... Thats just Phil hedging. You dont think if he can get Aldridge and Rondo to split $34mm in cap space he doesnt pull the trigger?

I think he's just looking at all options. I honestly think the last time we did this MSG really thought they had a good chance to land Lebron, where as this management would welcome that but arent kidding themselves.

fishmike wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:

mreinman wrote:

franco12 wrote:I'd almost say we should trade cap space (with Amar'e or Barg's ending deal) for picks.

I think picks are needed more than any FA big name (who isn't going to sign here anyway!)

how is Amare's and Bargs' space worth anything? Its not.

A couple decent deals have been mentioned... but the gist is simple. We pass on FAs because we add salary but we get picks in return. Its still a business the league is full of lopsided trades talent-wise because one team saved money.

the only way to dump salary is to take on someone elses unwanted crap.

I really hope that we stay away from that.

Thats why we would get a pick--this is a rebuild--if you have to take crp--you take it. Were not spending 34 mm on FA this year--just listen to what Phil said.

Briggs... Thats just Phil hedging. You dont think if he can get Aldridge and Rondo to split $34mm in cap space he doesnt pull the trigger?

I think he's just looking at all options. I honestly think the last time we did this MSG really thought they had a good chance to land Lebron, where as this management would welcome that but arent kidding themselves.

No I don't. he has 5 years to put a team he wants together. hes not throwing it away in one year.

fishmike wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:

mreinman wrote:

franco12 wrote:I'd almost say we should trade cap space (with Amar'e or Barg's ending deal) for picks.

I think picks are needed more than any FA big name (who isn't going to sign here anyway!)

how is Amare's and Bargs' space worth anything? Its not.

A couple decent deals have been mentioned... but the gist is simple. We pass on FAs because we add salary but we get picks in return. Its still a business the league is full of lopsided trades talent-wise because one team saved money.

the only way to dump salary is to take on someone elses unwanted crap.

I really hope that we stay away from that.

Thats why we would get a pick--this is a rebuild--if you have to take crp--you take it. Were not spending 34 mm on FA this year--just listen to what Phil said.

Briggs... Thats just Phil hedging. You dont think if he can get Aldridge and Rondo to split $34mm in cap space he doesnt pull the trigger?

I think he's just looking at all options. I honestly think the last time we did this MSG really thought they had a good chance to land Lebron, where as this management would welcome that but arent kidding themselves.

It sound like Phil isn't pipe dreaming but taking a more practical approach that sure if things work out and a top player wants to come he'd do it but he is planning on having to build with lower tier players that fit and make sense from a basketball perspective. Atlanta has taken that approach and it has led to great results. Real team building isn't fantasy league.

BRIGGS wrote:

fishmike wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:

mreinman wrote:

franco12 wrote:I'd almost say we should trade cap space (with Amar'e or Barg's ending deal) for picks.

I think picks are needed more than any FA big name (who isn't going to sign here anyway!)

how is Amare's and Bargs' space worth anything? Its not.

A couple decent deals have been mentioned... but the gist is simple. We pass on FAs because we add salary but we get picks in return. Its still a business the league is full of lopsided trades talent-wise because one team saved money.

the only way to dump salary is to take on someone elses unwanted crap.

I really hope that we stay away from that.

Thats why we would get a pick--this is a rebuild--if you have to take crp--you take it. Were not spending 34 mm on FA this year--just listen to what Phil said.

Briggs... Thats just Phil hedging. You dont think if he can get Aldridge and Rondo to split $34mm in cap space he doesnt pull the trigger?

I think he's just looking at all options. I honestly think the last time we did this MSG really thought they had a good chance to land Lebron, where as this management would welcome that but arent kidding themselves.

No I don't. he has 5 years to put a team he wants together. hes not throwing it away in one year.

It will have to be the right players... but if the talent is there he will spend. Do you think he maxes Gasol if given the chance? Thats the one I DONT want that scares me

BRIGGS wrote:

fishmike wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:

mreinman wrote:

franco12 wrote:I'd almost say we should trade cap space (with Amar'e or Barg's ending deal) for picks.

I think picks are needed more than any FA big name (who isn't going to sign here anyway!)

how is Amare's and Bargs' space worth anything? Its not.

A couple decent deals have been mentioned... but the gist is simple. We pass on FAs because we add salary but we get picks in return. Its still a business the league is full of lopsided trades talent-wise because one team saved money.

the only way to dump salary is to take on someone elses unwanted crap.

I really hope that we stay away from that.

Thats why we would get a pick--this is a rebuild--if you have to take crp--you take it. Were not spending 34 mm on FA this year--just listen to what Phil said.

Briggs... Thats just Phil hedging. You dont think if he can get Aldridge and Rondo to split $34mm in cap space he doesnt pull the trigger?

I think he's just looking at all options. I honestly think the last time we did this MSG really thought they had a good chance to land Lebron, where as this management would welcome that but arent kidding themselves.

No I don't. he has 5 years to put a team he wants together. hes not throwing it away in one year.

I agree and I'm hopeful we are finally going about things differently instead of the same starphuching that put us in this 15yr predictament. Although he almost damn near throw it away giving Melo that contract. Whether pressured by Dolan or not