Knicks · OT: Pitt vs Duke on Now ESPN (page 2)

RonRon wrote:looks like Anthony Davis like talent that would need to build up to me, so if all goes well, in 2-3 seasons he could be a franchise caliber talent if he continues to develop both physically and his skills

? The guy is 270 pounds Davis is lucky to push 225. I like Davis but his frame may not allow him to play even 3 consecutive 80 game seasons.

What you're getting with Oakfor? Hes going to be able to dominate the low block from the 4--command double teams--grab 10 rebounds a game score 20-30 points every night in the 60% region. Hes a very decent man on man and team defender. Not a great shotblocker but should avg 1.5. Should avg 4-5 assists per game.

Who is the great shot-blocker or defender on GS or Atlanta? How about they have a bunch of great players who play great team basketball. Thats what I think Okafor is a great player who plays team basketball. I don't want to compare Towns to Okafor--Towns could potentially do more--that is possible but hes also showed that he still has a long way to go. Okafor is proven already. Im still not sure whether Towns is better than Portis. The guy after Okafor is likely Russell but it will be fluid all year. Would love to see Towns put together 7-8 straight 12-7-3 games in 24 minutes(and maybe one game Cal lets him go 30 minutes) --but he hasnt come close to that yet

BRIGGS wrote:

RonRon wrote:looks like Anthony Davis like talent that would need to build up to me, so if all goes well, in 2-3 seasons he could be a franchise caliber talent if he continues to develop both physically and his skills

? The guy is 270 pounds Davis is lucky to push 225. I like Davis but his frame may not allow him to play even 3 consecutive 80 game seasons.

What you're getting with Oakfor? Hes going to be able to dominate the low block from the 4--command double teams--grab 10 rebounds a game score 20-30 points every night in the 60% region. Hes a very decent man on man and team defender. Not a great shotblocker but should avg 1.5. Should avg 4-5 assists per game.

Who is the great shot-blocker or defender on GS or Atlanta? How about they have a bunch of great players who play great team basketball. Thats what I think Okafor is a great player who plays team basketball. I don't want to compare Towns to Okafor--Towns could potentially do more--that is possible but hes also showed that he still has a long way to go. Okafor is proven already. Im still not sure whether Towns is better than Portis. The guy after Okafor is likely Russell but it will be fluid all year. Would love to see Towns put together 7-8 straight 12-7-3 games in 24 minutes(and maybe one game Cal lets him go 30 minutes) --but he hasnt come close to that yet

The system Towns plays in does not allow him to show his entire offensive repertoire. They are so deep, they rotate 4 to 5 players every two or three minutes. Okafor on the other hand plays a long stretch of basketball. Towns is certainly the better player out of the two. It took me a while to see that, but BRIGGS he is right.

His help defense was horrible today, I watch as the pittsburg bigman and guards got to them rim and he sat there and watched.

TPercy wrote:His help defense was horrible today, I watch as the pittsburg bigman and guards got to them rim and he sat there and watched.

Yeah there were too many drives he didn't heavily contest

The fact Pitt got in the paint as much as they did is another sign

There is some lack of respect in this area or at the rim

While he was on the floor

As far as he productivity no question he'll be good but

It's hard for any big no matter the talent

To put up 20-30pts, 10reb, 60% every night, this might not happen until his 3rd or 4th season

I love his game offensively though, and his passing is really good

I'm still taking him #1 and not looking back

I'm just focused on his defensive game it will matter at some point

TPercy wrote:His help defense was horrible today, I watch as the pittsburg bigman and guards got to them rim and he sat there and watched.

Yes....I saw that during a different game.

OK4 is the safest pick. At worst, he'll be a zach randolph.... Towns on the other hand has a higher ceiling, but is a high risk. He could be another Anthony Davis or at worst Anthony Randolph. Do you go with the high ceiling (Towns / Mudiay) or low risk (OK4)?

I don't like that kid Mudiay. Russell is the guard we MUST target. Towns and Russell

I will say it again a lot will change as he grows into his man body. Also, I am not expecting a big that move around like Drummand, Noah, Horford, Davis, or Jordan. I see him defending like the Gasol bros, R. Lopez, or a Bynum. Positional and good team d. I just wish he was at a place that was known for there defense. He doesn't have to blk an enormous amount of shots as long as he is rotating an changing players shots.

he can be a decent defender... it's just not there right now... however someone like towns has the athleticism to be very good right when he gets to the nba and it has to do with towns lateral quickness and his energy level... okafor is lacking...

okafor reminds me more of like a demarcus cousins without an outside game and it took him about 4-5 years to be a passable nba defender...

Have not seen enough of him to know whether this was the kind of help D he plays all the time, but there were a couple of times when I saw him not react (on D or boxing out) tonight where, and I am sorry I have to say this, I thought of Bargnani.

I can live with a lot of flaws in a player, but I need to see defensive intensity from a big man.

yea with melo around any big that comes aboard has to be a solid defender...

FistOfOakley wrote:yea with melo around any big that comes aboard has to be a solid defender...

Exactly. This is why I feel Towns will compliment Melo better. Love OK4 but him and Melo together is a concern on both ends

More will be revealed.....we've got a ways to go until the draft
and we'll learn a great deal about these top players in the next 5 months.
Personally, I'm intrigued by Mudiay...especially after what I heard Larry Brown say.
Phil does like his guards, doesn't he?

he doesn't shoot well though but that could come with time...

KNICKSBIGCATS wrote:More will be revealed.....we've got a ways to go until the draft
and we'll learn a great deal about these top players in the next 5 months.
Personally, I'm intrigued by Mudiay...especially after what I heard Larry Brown say.
Phil does like his guards, doesn't he?

He likes 6'6'' shooting guards

gunsnewing wrote:

KNICKSBIGCATS wrote:More will be revealed.....we've got a ways to go until the draft
and we'll learn a great deal about these top players in the next 5 months.
Personally, I'm intrigued by Mudiay...especially after what I heard Larry Brown say.
Phil does like his guards, doesn't he?

He likes 6'6'' shooting guards

He sure does!

KNICKSBIGCATS wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

KNICKSBIGCATS wrote:More will be revealed.....we've got a ways to go until the draft
and we'll learn a great deal about these top players in the next 5 months.
Personally, I'm intrigued by Mudiay...especially after what I heard Larry Brown say.
Phil does like his guards, doesn't he?

He likes 6'6'' shooting guards

He sure does!

Kelly Oubre has been picking it up--he's a 6-7 SG who is one of the upper tier athletic players in the draft for his size with the handle and shot. Before the season I had him as my pre season number 1 pick of the entire draft but he really slumped to start the season. I actually wrote about Kelly Oubre two years ago when Uconn had him as pick 1 in the recruiting process over anyone in this years freshmen class in 2012. That was Jim Calhoun who had him picked there by the way of Madison CT He's actually bigger than Mudiay with a much better shot.

KNICKSBIGCATS wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

KNICKSBIGCATS wrote:More will be revealed.....we've got a ways to go until the draft
and we'll learn a great deal about these top players in the next 5 months.
Personally, I'm intrigued by Mudiay...especially after what I heard Larry Brown say.
Phil does like his guards, doesn't he?

He likes 6'6'' shooting guards

He sure does!

Here are parts of the First Take interview with LB on Mudiay

Near 8:00min mark on First Take where Skip interjects and

Ask him opinion about Mudiay forgoing college

Here's what he said about the Knicks

blkexec wrote:

TPercy wrote:His help defense was horrible today, I watch as the pittsburg bigman and guards got to them rim and he sat there and watched.

Yes....I saw that during a different game.

OK4 is the safest pick. At worst, he'll be a zach randolph.... Towns on the other hand has a higher ceiling, but is a high risk. He could be another Anthony Davis or at worst Anthony Randolph. Do you go with the high ceiling (Towns / Mudiay) or low risk (OK4)?

His situation is different from Towns in that he has to watch his fouls and level of aggressiveness. It's not that big a deal for Kentucky if Towns gets in foul troublw. Even, we still heard whispers about Towns not being as intensevas he needs to be. Plus, OK4 is better fit in the triangle because he already knows how to read passing lanes out of the post.

mreinman wrote:melo!!! thats the way you do it!

Calderon is 1-9 and you still make the right pass!

I think Calderon should try playing against college teams