Knicks · Official 2015 NBA Knick Draft Thread.... (page 53)

CrushAlot wrote:

wargames wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Javascript is not enabled or there was problem with the URL: Steve Kyler: For what its worth – hearing the #11 from Indiana is very much in play.

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If you look at their roster and pick situation the Pacers probably aren't a prime trading partner if the knicks trade down. Especially 7 spots.

I was wondering if it was in play if you took Hibbert. He is owed 15 mil for one more year.

CrushAlot wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

wargames wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Javascript is not enabled or there was problem with the URL: Steve Kyler: For what its worth – hearing the #11 from Indiana is very much in play.

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If you look at their roster and pick situation the Pacers probably aren't a prime trading partner if the knicks trade down. Especially 7 spots.

I was wondering if it was in play if you took Hibbert. He is owed 15 mil for one more year.

4 and 11 if done right could net you two guys that played for the knicks for the next 12 years. A lot of options at 11. Turner, Lyles, Payne, Dekker, Kaminsky, etc. Also, I think if the knicks take Kristaps at 4 they could swap picks with Orlando and grab a pick/asset in the deal if they don't want him.

I doubt there is any chance to Hibbert being a productive player at all if Indiana is willing to give up #11 to move him. On the flip if he was to rebound as a player both literally and figuratively he wouldn't be that bad of a move as a 1 year rental.

However, another option is if the knicks send Calderon back in the deal or move Calderon in another one. They could take on Hibbert's contract, stretch him and be in the same exact place that they were prior to the trade cap wise with $27 mil in cap space this year. The only issue would be that it would add an extra year of 7 Mil on the cap in 2017. Its an interesting alternative to moving down to get more picks and hinges on Calderon being moved with no salary coming back (maybe for Haywood and #24). The knicks could get #4 & #11 for the price of future cap space in the 100 mil cap era.

wargames wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

wargames wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Javascript is not enabled or there was problem with the URL: Steve Kyler: For what its worth – hearing the #11 from Indiana is very much in play.

Click here to view the Tweet

If you look at their roster and pick situation the Pacers probably aren't a prime trading partner if the knicks trade down. Especially 7 spots.

I was wondering if it was in play if you took Hibbert. He is owed 15 mil for one more year.

4 and 11 if done right could net you two guys that played for the knicks for the next 12 years. A lot of options at 11. Turner, Lyles, Payne, Dekker, Kaminsky, etc. Also, I think if the knicks take Kristaps at 4 they could swap picks with Orlando and grab a pick/asset in the deal if they don't want him.

I doubt there is any chance to Hibbert being a productive player at all if Indiana is willing to give up #11 to move him. On the flip if he was to rebound as a player both literally and figuratively he wouldn't be that bad of a move as a 1 year rental.

However, another option is if the knicks send Calderon back in the deal or move Calderon in another one. They could take on Hibbert's contract, stretch him and be in the same exact place that they were prior to the trade cap wise with $27 mil in cap space this year. The only issue would be that it would add an extra year of 7 Mil on the cap in 2017. Its an interesting alternative to moving down to get more picks and hinges on Calderon being moved with no salary coming back (maybe for Haywood and #24). The knicks could get #4 & #11 for the price of future cap space in the 100 mil cap era.

Hibbert is worth taking on as a stop gap solution- if you don't like too many of this years FAs (especially C's), we may as well take him on, and then his salary comes off at the end of the year.

crzymdups wrote:

jbeachboy wrote:if knicks trade down, which player are they getting along with pick?

The rumor I've seen a couple of times is maybe Eric Bledsoe and pick 13 for pick 4. Honestly, I think that's a decent trade. They'd probably take Lyles or Kaminsky at pick 13.

Though I hope they just keep pick 4.

I haven't really watched Bledsoe in a couple of years- he used to be highly regarded, but now no one seems to want him on the roster, not sure what happened.

Phil has said a few times we need bigs, and also we need players who can penetrate and get to the basket, although he said they don't necessarily need to by guards. However, there aren't really that many available FAs that can penetrate, which makes me think maybe he would consider a trade for Bledsoe, and maybe then draft Lyle or Kaminsky. That's not a terrible trade, though I'm not sure I would do it.

smackeddog wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

jbeachboy wrote:if knicks trade down, which player are they getting along with pick?

The rumor I've seen a couple of times is maybe Eric Bledsoe and pick 13 for pick 4. Honestly, I think that's a decent trade. They'd probably take Lyles or Kaminsky at pick 13.

Though I hope they just keep pick 4.

I haven't really watched Bledsoe in a couple of years- he used to be highly regarded, but now no one seems to want him on the roster, not sure what happened.

Phil has said a few times we need bigs, and also we need players who can penetrate and get to the basket, although he said they don't necessarily need to by guards. However, there aren't really that many available FAs that can penetrate, which makes me think maybe he would consider a trade for Bledsoe, and maybe then draft Lyle or Kaminsky. That's not a terrible trade, though I'm not sure I would do it.

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2...

He had part of his meniscus removed. The fact he was on the Suns and their great medical staff he made a quick recovery..... but how much of that is his own bodies recovery and how much is Phoenix's medical staff idk. Plus the nature of that surgery tends to have a more negative effect long term.

wargames wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

jbeachboy wrote:if knicks trade down, which player are they getting along with pick?

The rumor I've seen a couple of times is maybe Eric Bledsoe and pick 13 for pick 4. Honestly, I think that's a decent trade. They'd probably take Lyles or Kaminsky at pick 13.

Though I hope they just keep pick 4.

I haven't really watched Bledsoe in a couple of years- he used to be highly regarded, but now no one seems to want him on the roster, not sure what happened.

Phil has said a few times we need bigs, and also we need players who can penetrate and get to the basket, although he said they don't necessarily need to by guards. However, there aren't really that many available FAs that can penetrate, which makes me think maybe he would consider a trade for Bledsoe, and maybe then draft Lyle or Kaminsky. That's not a terrible trade, though I'm not sure I would do it.

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2...

He had part of his meniscus removed. The fact he was on the Suns and their great medical staff he made a quick recovery..... but how much of that is his own bodies recovery and how much is Phoenix's medical staff idk. Plus the nature of that surgery tends to have a more negative effect long term.

I really hope none of the moves to trade back to get a point guard that takes up a lot of cap room happen. Hopefully the fact that they are working out Hackett means they are not looking to get Lawson or Bledsoe at tge expense of the pick and cap space.

Mario Hezonja 18-Point ACB Playoff Finals Performance Video Analysis
by: Mike Schmitz
June 19, 2015
Analyzing the play of Mario Hezonja in Game one of the Spanish ACB Playoff Finals. Hezonja exploded for 18 points in 25 minutes coming off the bench for Barcelona, knocking down all five of his first 3-point attempts (of six overall). Real Madrid emerged victorious, but Hezonja surely proved he deserves more minutes in the rest of the series, which will certainty interest NBA teams drafting in the Top-10 of the lottery.

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Mari...

120 hours

6995 minutes

419700 seconds

Until the draft

WaltLongmire wrote:Hezonja's still in the playoffs in Europe and did well in his first game.

Mario Hezonja 18-Point ACB Playoff Finals Performance Video Analysis
by: Mike Schmitz
June 19, 2015
Analyzing the play of Mario Hezonja in Game one of the Spanish ACB Playoff Finals. Hezonja exploded for 18 points in 25 minutes coming off the bench for Barcelona, knocking down all five of his first 3-point attempts (of six overall). Real Madrid emerged victorious, but Hezonja surely proved he deserves more minutes in the rest of the series, which will certainty interest NBA teams drafting in the Top-10 of the lottery.

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Mari...

Simply amazing how many picks Philly and Boston have.

PODCAST: Knicks likely to trade No. 4 pick

June 19, 2015 by Chris Sheridan

If Jahlil Okafor is available at No. 4, the New York Knicks will take him.

If Okafor is gone, somebody is going to take the No. 4 pick from the Knicks.

This is the intel I am hearing from points near and far as we count down the days to the 2015 NBA Draft. Phil Jackson has a bare cupboard when it comes to future draft picks, and he is inclined to trade down in exchange for multiple picks in this year’s draft and in future drafts.

How bare is the Knicks’ cupboard?

They do not have a second-round pick in 2015, nor in 2016 or 2018.

They do not have a first-round pick in 2016, having sent it to the Toronto Raptors for Andrea Bargnani.

So WWPD — What Will Phil Do?

The educated guess here is that he will go back and forth with Sam Hinkie of Philadelphia and Danny Ainge of Boston in an effort to restock the cupboard.

The Celtics have picks 16, 28, 33 and 45 in this year’s draft, along with the rights to Brooklyn’s No. 1 picks in 2016, 2017 (right to swap) and 2018. They also have the Mavericks’ first-round pick in 2016, the Mavericks’ first-round pick in 2016 (protected 1-7), the Timberwolves first-round pick in 2016 (protected 1-12), and the Grizlies’ first-round pick in 2018 (protected 1-12).

The 76ers have picks 3, 35, 37, 47, 58 and 60 in this year’s draft. They also own the rights to four first-round picks next year: Their own, the Lakers’ (protected 1-3), the Heat’s (protected 1-10), the Thunder’s (protected 1-15), along with nine second-round picks from other teams between 2016 and 2020.

Both Ainge and Hinkie can load up Phil’s wheelbarrow and restock his cupboard if that is what Jackson chooses to do. At this point, I would say it is more likely than not that Jackson trades the No. 4 pick before the draft.

Read more at http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2015/06/19/...

StarksEwing1 wrote:Just keep the pick. I still havent seen one good trade offer that is worth it. It seems like phil wants to trade for the sake of it because he may miss out on towns or okafor. Hate to say but if he really wanted those 2 then he should have told fisher not to act like we were in playoff games the last 3 games of the season. Minnesota seemed to get it

I posted it, but don't necessarily believe it. He might get more offerers he can look at, though. Knicks have kept many things hidden, and still are- if you get enough offers maybe one is simply too good to pass up...who knows?

Once again, though, why would you continue to blame Fisher??

Philly and LA fans had the same feelings as you did by the end of the season, but where did they end up in the draft?

If you want to look for blame, look at Anthony, who wanted to continue because of a shoe contract, and Jackson, who could have put his foot down, but did not.

Blaming Fisher and the guys on the court is simply foolish, no matter how many times you say it.

WaltLongmire wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:Just keep the pick. I still havent seen one good trade offer that is worth it. It seems like phil wants to trade for the sake of it because he may miss out on towns or okafor. Hate to say but if he really wanted those 2 then he should have told fisher not to act like we were in playoff games the last 3 games of the season. Minnesota seemed to get it

I posted it, but don't necessarily believe it. He might get more offerers he can look at, though. Knicks have kept many things hidden, and still are- if you get enough offers maybe one is simply too good to pass up...who knows?

Once again, though, why would you continue to blame Fisher??

Philly and LA fans had the same feelings as you did by the end of the season, but where did they end up in the draft?

If you want to look for blame, look at Anthony, who wanted to continue because of a shoe contract, and Jackson, who could have put his foot down, but did not.

Blaming Fisher and the guys on the court is simply foolish, no matter how many times you say it.

StarksEwing1 wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:Just keep the pick. I still havent seen one good trade offer that is worth it. It seems like phil wants to trade for the sake of it because he may miss out on towns or okafor. Hate to say but if he really wanted those 2 then he should have told fisher not to act like we were in playoff games the last 3 games of the season. Minnesota seemed to get it

I posted it, but don't necessarily believe it. He might get more offerers he can look at, though. Knicks have kept many things hidden, and still are- if you get enough offers maybe one is simply too good to pass up...who knows?

Once again, though, why would you continue to blame Fisher??

Philly and LA fans had the same feelings as you did by the end of the season, but where did they end up in the draft?

If you want to look for blame, look at Anthony, who wanted to continue because of a shoe contract, and Jackson, who could have put his foot down, but did not.

Blaming Fisher and the guys on the court is simply foolish, no matter how many times you say it.

first off im kidding around i dont blame fisher just frustrated

Pissed me off too...was like some kind of bizarre dream, and as a fan you could do nothing as teams like Minny, LA and Philly, seemed to be actively keeping guys out of their lineups when you knew they could have played.

CrushAlot wrote:A guy on twitter posted that it is 117 hours until the draft. Can't wait.

StarksEwing1 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:A guy on twitter posted that it is 117 hours until the draft. Can't wait.

part of me is excited and part of me is dreading it. Trying to be positive but the knicks havent exactly been good decision makers

On a side note, I am starting to wonder if Philly takes Kristaps and trades him for the fifth and other compensation with Orlando. I am seeing more stuff saying the guy they want is Mudiay. He will be there at 5 and they could get a deal similar to last year for Payton.

kings get bledsoe
suns get #4
knicks get #6 and #13

FistOfOakley wrote:the best version of that suns deal i've seen... and really that rumor i don't think has any legs since it originated from a chad ford chat that he didn't really break..

kings get bledsoe
suns get #4
knicks get #6 and #13

That is quite a rumor. I think the Knicks would have to do that.