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mreinman wrote:I saw Danny Greens shot chart and I fell in love at first sight

I want him bad!

Danny Green is a really good option who may just be gettable. I'd be very pleased if we could pick him off the Spurs roster. Don't know what the Spurs plans are for him cap wise, but he'd be a good target.

Another home town hero comes back home? Straight from the ghetto suburbs of Long Island.

I'm more impressed by Danny's steal and block numbers.
His defensive numbers look good. He also thrives in systems like the Spurs and the Tarheels. This is a guy we need to target at a reasonable price.

yup. The problem is that SAS has more cap room than the Knicks and if Manu and Duncan retire they won't have to worry about their cap holds. It reall just depends on who they target in FA. They can Max out a Marc Gasol regardless but I'm sure they still like to try to fit their players under the tax line.

If they get a big time FA and max out Leonard they might not want to pay Green $12m a year.

I know Love said he wants to play in a big market but if he was willing to stay in Cleveland would he go to SA and play for Pop. It would be the perfect place for a guy like Love.

That is why I say offer a MAX to Kawaii regardless of them matching or not
They would have a 3 day window to acquire FA's, just like Parsons this summer and The Rockets

If Marc Gasol is undecided, the window closes, if they match they have less ability to improve the team if they cannot sign the talent they want

Ron unfortunately there's no outsmarting the smartest ran

Organization in the league, Kawhai is going nowhere and what you'd be doing is tying up

Our cap situation for 3 days, for nothing

The point is if Kawaii and/or Butler is willing to sign it, we should 100% offer it
Why give those teams the time to try to attract FA's when we are trying to compete with them for FA's and they are also our contenders

Only 2 things can result out of it

1- They match but have 3 days to do so while they would only have 3 days to target FA's and still keep their RFA's
2- We actually get the young STAR on our team

don't we also lock ourselves up for 3 days?

Yes

Which is the point I'm trying to tell him

The team that has rights to match has the leverage

They hold you up for 3 days and you let them off the hook for the 5th yr

It's a no brainer they'd match the contract, they would send us a bouquet of roses for doing so

Neither player-agent signs the sheet because every team with cap would be willing to offer them a 4yr deal

Therefore they'd wait until the Bulls-Spurs offered them their market value which is Klay Thompson money

Butler and Kawhai are not options no matter how much we keep dreaming it up in our heads

However, it decreases the teams salary and ability to spend if they offer him the max contract before they can sign FA's
Just like Houston this summer with Parsons, they threw a MAX offer at Bosh and they saved themselves by BOsh not accepting
Had Bosh signed, Ariza wouldn't be there and Parsons would be retained

It comes down to If Kawaii and Butler were willing to sign or not
The 3 days means nothing to else, those are the STAR's that will not sign with NYK regardless, as we are not atttracting anyone with our roster and losses this season if those FA's can get the same amount of money elsewhere

Well if you look at it from Houston's perspective only but what about Miami's?

They were waiting to see Bosh get what would be a true market offer

Once they caught wind he was they gave him a 5yr deal

The same would happen with us, Bulls and Spurs would match easily

Meanwhile tying us up from making lucrative offers to other free agents

Actually what cost Houston was Bosh's slowness to agreeing to the deal

And Houston chasing 2 free agents while Parsons wanted a contract

Had Bosh agreed quickly once Rox moved on from Melo vowing not to return to Miami

Morey would have then offered Parsons a deal or matched

It really wasn't the offer sheet that killed Houston it was wanting

Carmelo and Bosh a little too thick that cost them Parsons

Bottom line with Bulls, they're already capped their prize free agent is Butler

They will use their exceptions to round out roster and they'll have them because they haven't paid Lux Tax dollars yet

Now next year it becomes a little hectic for them heading into 2016 summer

As far as the Spurs yeah right we're not outfoxing them and they have enough cap and track record

Free agents will most certainly wait on them and give them the benefit of the doubt

It comes down to if those players are willing to sign an offer or not, I am saying I would offer them one right at 12.01 when we elgible to offer FA's contracts
NO FA's that are the cream of the crop are coming to the NYK's not this summer, so the 3 days means nothing

And if they did want to come to NYK, they would wait as it is part of FA
They know it is unlikely that we would acquire those players anyway and I agree but it limits their ability to spend as they can add FA's first and then resign their RFA's as their cap hold is low
However, especially for The Spur's, once they match the offfer for Kawaii, they no longer can offer another max contract out, but prior to those 3 days they still can

3 days of spending, we do not lose anything....

Well first of all it's important to think about us first and not the comp

We need to do what's best for us and that's focusing on free agents[we truly believe we can sign]

Once again Butler and Kawhai are not signing offer sheets on the first day of FA[SIGH!]

You're not limiting Bulls in spending, they don't have cap space really[Butler's cap hold places them at or slightly above]

////// maybe Spurs theoretically depending on who they renounce

Keep in mind the Bulls really only need to sign 1 free agent[their own], meanwhile we need to sign several

Therefore we don't have time to be puzzyfooting around in free agency bringing knives to gun fights

Your approach totally applies to those FA with Restricted status and-or FA whose teams have volatile financial situations

So in your swinging for fences scenario the player that best fits this example is actually Draymond Green, he should be the 12:00-01 call

I am saying we do not lose anything but 3 days of spending which doesn't actually hurt us, again I said if they were willing to sign it, then I will do it

Anyway, there was a post somewhere that I cannot find about calling up Thanasis that you said we have the ability to call him and pay him?
I could be wrong but I do not believe we have the ability RIGHT NOW, to offer him anything more than a 2 year deal and that is why we have no called him up, where as this summer, we can offer him a contract that would be over 2 years but need either cap space or an exemption that we can use to call sign him with

However, you said that we can offer him more? Could you further explain how we can do so?

If Duncan and Pops leave things might change- who knows, but it would seem that the unselfishness shown on the court by players on SA has also manifested itself in other areas.

I don't think much about significant SA players coming to the Knicks at this point- just seems that they would stay away from here even if the money was a bit better.

Also, it wasn't a time thing or an issue of chasing other FAs that cost them Parsons. It was the language in the contract that they did not want to agree with that cost them Chandler. They want good players but they also want tradable assets just in case and Parsons would have had first refusal on all trades.

yellowboy90 wrote:I doubt they waive Pablo since his cap hit will be for the full amount of next years salary and not just the partially guaranteed amount. More than likely it is trade or bust.

Wed probably have to send the $ to a team to trade him for a 2027 2nd rounder that we could just buy. It would save luxury tax $$$$$

RonRon wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

RonRon wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

RonRon wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

mreinman wrote:

RonRon wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

RonRon wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

blkexec wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:I saw Danny Greens shot chart and I fell in love at first sight

I want him bad!

Danny Green is a really good option who may just be gettable. I'd be very pleased if we could pick him off the Spurs roster. Don't know what the Spurs plans are for him cap wise, but he'd be a good target.

Another home town hero comes back home? Straight from the ghetto suburbs of Long Island.

I'm more impressed by Danny's steal and block numbers.
His defensive numbers look good. He also thrives in systems like the Spurs and the Tarheels. This is a guy we need to target at a reasonable price.

yup. The problem is that SAS has more cap room than the Knicks and if Manu and Duncan retire they won't have to worry about their cap holds. It reall just depends on who they target in FA. They can Max out a Marc Gasol regardless but I'm sure they still like to try to fit their players under the tax line.

If they get a big time FA and max out Leonard they might not want to pay Green $12m a year.

I know Love said he wants to play in a big market but if he was willing to stay in Cleveland would he go to SA and play for Pop. It would be the perfect place for a guy like Love.

That is why I say offer a MAX to Kawaii regardless of them matching or not
They would have a 3 day window to acquire FA's, just like Parsons this summer and The Rockets

If Marc Gasol is undecided, the window closes, if they match they have less ability to improve the team if they cannot sign the talent they want

Ron unfortunately there's no outsmarting the smartest ran

Organization in the league, Kawhai is going nowhere and what you'd be doing is tying up

Our cap situation for 3 days, for nothing

The point is if Kawaii and/or Butler is willing to sign it, we should 100% offer it
Why give those teams the time to try to attract FA's when we are trying to compete with them for FA's and they are also our contenders

Only 2 things can result out of it

1- They match but have 3 days to do so while they would only have 3 days to target FA's and still keep their RFA's
2- We actually get the young STAR on our team

don't we also lock ourselves up for 3 days?

Yes

Which is the point I'm trying to tell him

The team that has rights to match has the leverage

They hold you up for 3 days and you let them off the hook for the 5th yr

It's a no brainer they'd match the contract, they would send us a bouquet of roses for doing so

Neither player-agent signs the sheet because every team with cap would be willing to offer them a 4yr deal

Therefore they'd wait until the Bulls-Spurs offered them their market value which is Klay Thompson money

Butler and Kawhai are not options no matter how much we keep dreaming it up in our heads

However, it decreases the teams salary and ability to spend if they offer him the max contract before they can sign FA's
Just like Houston this summer with Parsons, they threw a MAX offer at Bosh and they saved themselves by BOsh not accepting
Had Bosh signed, Ariza wouldn't be there and Parsons would be retained

It comes down to If Kawaii and Butler were willing to sign or not
The 3 days means nothing to else, those are the STAR's that will not sign with NYK regardless, as we are not atttracting anyone with our roster and losses this season if those FA's can get the same amount of money elsewhere

Well if you look at it from Houston's perspective only but what about Miami's?

They were waiting to see Bosh get what would be a true market offer

Once they caught wind he was they gave him a 5yr deal

The same would happen with us, Bulls and Spurs would match easily

Meanwhile tying us up from making lucrative offers to other free agents

Actually what cost Houston was Bosh's slowness to agreeing to the deal

And Houston chasing 2 free agents while Parsons wanted a contract

Had Bosh agreed quickly once Rox moved on from Melo vowing not to return to Miami

Morey would have then offered Parsons a deal or matched

It really wasn't the offer sheet that killed Houston it was wanting

Carmelo and Bosh a little too thick that cost them Parsons

Bottom line with Bulls, they're already capped their prize free agent is Butler

They will use their exceptions to round out roster and they'll have them because they haven't paid Lux Tax dollars yet

Now next year it becomes a little hectic for them heading into 2016 summer

As far as the Spurs yeah right we're not outfoxing them and they have enough cap and track record

Free agents will most certainly wait on them and give them the benefit of the doubt

It comes down to if those players are willing to sign an offer or not, I am saying I would offer them one right at 12.01 when we elgible to offer FA's contracts
NO FA's that are the cream of the crop are coming to the NYK's not this summer, so the 3 days means nothing

And if they did want to come to NYK, they would wait as it is part of FA
They know it is unlikely that we would acquire those players anyway and I agree but it limits their ability to spend as they can add FA's first and then resign their RFA's as their cap hold is low
However, especially for The Spur's, once they match the offfer for Kawaii, they no longer can offer another max contract out, but prior to those 3 days they still can

3 days of spending, we do not lose anything....

Well first of all it's important to think about us first and not the comp

We need to do what's best for us and that's focusing on free agents[we truly believe we can sign]

Once again Butler and Kawhai are not signing offer sheets on the first day of FA[SIGH!]

You're not limiting Bulls in spending, they don't have cap space really[Butler's cap hold places them at or slightly above]

////// maybe Spurs theoretically depending on who they renounce

Keep in mind the Bulls really only need to sign 1 free agent[their own], meanwhile we need to sign several

Therefore we don't have time to be puzzyfooting around in free agency bringing knives to gun fights

Your approach totally applies to those FA with Restricted status and-or FA whose teams have volatile financial situations

So in your swinging for fences scenario the player that best fits this example is actually Draymond Green, he should be the 12:00-01 call

I am saying we do not lose anything but 3 days of spending which doesn't actually hurt us, again I said if they were willing to sign it, then I will do it

Anyway, there was a post somewhere that I cannot find about calling up Thanasis that you said we have the ability to call him and pay him?
I could be wrong but I do not believe we have the ability RIGHT NOW, to offer him anything more than a 2 year deal and that is why we have no called him up, where as this summer, we can offer him a contract that would be over 2 years but need either cap space or an exemption that we can use to call sign him with

However, you said that we can offer him more? Could you further explain how we can do so?

Melol @ Sean Deveney Sampling My Ish and a Great little snipit on Than

http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/story/20...

SANTA CRUZ, Calif. — Last week, Bucks forward Giannis Antetokounmpo had a message for the Knicks that was much-repeated: Call up my brother.

Thanasis Antetokounmpo, the older sibling for Giannis, is currently toiling for the Westchester Knicks, the D-League affiliate for New York, and spent last weekend here at the D-League Showcase. He laughed when his brother’s comments were mentioned.

“I mean, OK, it was a little exaggerated,” he told Sporting News. “My brother did not exactly say it like that. I saw it and I understand it, my brother is proud of me and he knows I work hard. I am proud of him and he is proud of me.”

Still, it is hard to argue with the logic of Giannis Antetokounmpo’s sentiments, even if they were exaggerated. The Knicks have six wins here in late January, and in a lost season, it’s a good idea to get some run for the younger guys. New York brought up point guard Langston Galloway this month, and had him in the starting five to end its 16-game losing streak.

Thanasis Antetokounmpo, meanwhile, has struggled with his perimeter shot in Westchester, but has improved on his ability to attack the basket and draw fouls. He is averaging 13.3 points, but in his last three games, he’s averaged 16.7 and shot 51.4 percent.

More important, Antetokounmpo is a standout defender who plays with boundless energy. How many Knicks players on this sad-sack team can be said to have played with boundless energy? In a dismal year like this, it would help if the Knicks had players on the floor who are trying, even if their game needs work.

Thanasis Antetokounmpo—who passed on a sizable European contract in order to stay with the Knicks in the D-League and develop under the team’s watch—has displayed a little more patience than his brother.

“I am happy with how things are,” he said. “Learning new things every day. My shooting, my defense, offense, everything. We are the affiliate of the Knicks, so it is the same system as the Knicks, so there is a lot to learn.”

Still, there is some faith that he will be called up soon. The Knicks are giving second 10-day contracts to NBA journeymen like Lou Amundson and Lance Thomas. But if they can’t sign them to a third 10-day contract without committing to them through the end of the season, a deal for Antetokounmpo makes a lot more sense than more Amundson.

If that doesn’t work out, there is always the trading deadline, at which the Knicks are expected to give away as many players as they can. If Antetokounmpo doesn’t get his chance by the end of this month, surely he will by the end of February.

That’s what Thanasis Antetokounmpo has been thinking.

“I believe in the Knicks,” he said, “and the Knicks believe in me.”

Let's keep in mind Than passed up money overseas to make $19k or less in the DL

Yet we're showing Lou and Lance Honey Love

Below was stated about his situation in the summer

And maybe rules state long term contracts can only be DOLED out

In the off-season instead of midseason but I recall another late callup draft pick last year

Who got a multi-yr deal with options on contract, trying to think who it was

Now the Bucks signed Johnny O'Bryant who was drafted a couple slots ahead of Than

They did this during the summer he has a multi 4yr deal with TOs on it

I was thinking Than's could look very similar

The way this works is that Antetokounmpo will sign with the D-League itself. He won't be paid or under contract to the Knicks, nor the Knicks' D-League affiliate. Under a new rule stipulated last year by the NBA, if a second-round pick elects to sign with the D-League, the club that holds his draft rights can assign him to their affiliate.

The Knicks will own and operate the team's basketball operations department, but not the roster. So Antetokounmpo will learn under coaches taking direction from New York's front office, and be monitored and developed in tune with their desires, just not on roster with the team. They also can't "call him up" as is done with most D-League players. To do so, they'll have to sign him to a standard second-round deal.

But it does mean the Knicks want him a little closer to home, and it could mean Knicks fans could see him sooner rather than later. It's a long-term process of development, something the Knicks have, you know, skipped quite a bit in recent seasons.

Is there any major difference to signing him to a 2yr deal TO on 2nd yr year now, then reupping down the road

Vs giving him a 4yr deal with the same team options in the summer, the money comes out to about the same

Depending on how we structure the options

Pablo doesn't TO the ball much
Shoots a HIGH 3pt % and has improved every game since we acquired him
Also gets steals, low TO's, decent Assist, good FT shooting, and is always looking to pass the ball, maybe TOO UNSELFISH at times

In terms of his speed/quickness/age etc, he has improved much with his inability to penetrate consistently and have trouble defending at times
However, for a 2nd/3rd string player that could cover his weakness's which Memphis and some teams can, he actually is not that bad for 10-12mins a game up to as high as 22 when needed
Look at Udrih, who was not in shape while he was in NYK along with other players, he looks like a solid backup PG in Memphis this year...

Over the years, it has become the trend...
Guess there are too many distractions here in NY, as JR Smith also has improved instantly as well as many other players have

"Dont be surprised"

Does anyone believe that Phil had this in mind as part of his 'become a "learner" by December or buh-bye'?

yellowboy90 wrote:Yeah, I have to agree with F5 on this one. The Spurs are not going to let Leonard go. It would be smarter for the Knicks to show Danny Green love and make him the priority since he is the unrestricted FA. Hopefully the spurs will be on Leonard and looking to add a top FA. The best chance is if they go after Gasol or Love, if he's available.

Also, it wasn't a time thing or an issue of chasing other FAs that cost them Parsons. It was the language in the contract that they did not want to agree with that cost them Chandler. They want good players but they also want tradable assets just in case and Parsons would have had first refusal on all trades.

Not really because Parsons said himself

He would have stayed in Houston if Morey would have shown

He wanted him as much as he wanted Melo and Bosh

Parsons did not like the fact they didn't treat him as a Max contract worthy Player

Morey only wanted Parsons at Max if he had Bosh or Melo, not by himself at the offer sheet price

yellowboy90 wrote:I doubt they waive Pablo since his cap hit will be for the full amount of next years salary and not just the partially guaranteed amount. More than likely it is trade or bust.

Yep, although he may agree to a great buyout because he

Currently has offers set to go overseas to return

jrodmc wrote:Pablo, Acy and Cole for: any first round pick sooner than 2018.
The regime change/clearance firesale will continue.

"Dont be surprised"

Does anyone believe that Phil had this in mind as part of his 'become a "learner" by December or buh-bye'?

I think we should keep Cole Aldrich as his cap hold is the vet min however, we own his early bird rights
Meaning we could offer him a contract that would allow us to go over the cap and therefore have the FULL 5m MLE (which will be closer to 6m)

We also have trade exemptions to use but they now hold a cap hold on them, so we have no renounce them or use them before we can use the cap space to sign FA's
However, in general, we need assets to acquire any talent, we do not have picks to spare so keeping Cole could be our insurance in order to have the FULL MLE instead of only the LLE aka Bi Anual Exemption which will be about 2.8m for next season

Also when he is given PT, he shows he can produce as a double double machine, however, the minutes he gets have been inconsistent whether if it was with Woodson or now with Fisher
So unless we can get very good/great value for him in a trade, I would much rather keep him as insurance, just my opinion

RonRon wrote:

jrodmc wrote:Pablo, Acy and Cole for: any first round pick sooner than 2018.
The regime change/clearance firesale will continue.

"Dont be surprised"

Does anyone believe that Phil had this in mind as part of his 'become a "learner" by December or buh-bye'?

I think we should keep Cole Aldrich as his cap hold is the vet min however, we own his early bird rights
Meaning we could offer him a contract that would allow us to go over the cap and therefore have the FULL 5m MLE (which will be closer to 6m)

We also have trade exemptions to use but they now hold a cap hold on them, so we have no renounce them or use them before we can use the cap space to sign FA's
However, in general, we need assets to acquire any talent, we do not have picks to spare so keeping Cole could be our insurance in order to have the FULL MLE instead of only the LLE aka Bi Anual Exemption which will be about 2.8m for next season

Also when he is given PT, he shows he can produce as a double double machine, however, the minutes he gets have been inconsistent whether if it was with Woodson or now with Fisher
So unless we can get very good/great value for him in a trade, I would much rather keep him as insurance, just my opinion

Because we are under the cap next yr and paid the tax this year

We have to renounce all exceptions to preserve cap space and wouldn't have had it otherwise

Which is why I was advocating surrendering the 2018 1st to dump Calderon's salary

I think another near $8mil in cap could help much more now than the pick later

Especially with Langston here now

26. How do exceptions count against the cap? Does being under the cap always mean that a team has room to sign free agents? Do teams ever lose their exceptions?

If a team is below the cap, then its Disabled Player, Bi-Annual, Mid-Level (either the Taxpayer or Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level, whichever applies to the team) and/or trade exceptions are added to their team salary, and the league treats the team as though they are over the cap 1. This is to prevent a loophole, in a manner similar to free agent amounts (see question number 39). A team can't act like it's under the cap and sign free agents using cap room, and then use their Disabled Player, Bi-Annual, Mid-Level and/or trade exceptions. Consequently, the exceptions are added to their team salary (putting the team over the cap) if the team is under the cap and adding the exceptions puts them over the cap. If a team is already over the cap, then the exceptions are not added to their team salary. There would be no point in doing so, since there is no cap room for signing free agents.

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RonRon wrote:

jrodmc wrote:Pablo, Acy and Cole for: any first round pick sooner than 2018.
The regime change/clearance firesale will continue.

"Dont be surprised"

Does anyone believe that Phil had this in mind as part of his 'become a "learner" by December or buh-bye'?

I think we should keep Cole Aldrich as his cap hold is the vet min however, we own his early bird rights
Meaning we could offer him a contract that would allow us to go over the cap and therefore have the FULL 5m MLE (which will be closer to 6m)

We also have trade exemptions to use but they now hold a cap hold on them, so we have no renounce them or use them before we can use the cap space to sign FA's
However, in general, we need assets to acquire any talent, we do not have picks to spare so keeping Cole could be our insurance in order to have the FULL MLE instead of only the LLE aka Bi Anual Exemption which will be about 2.8m for next season

Also when he is given PT, he shows he can produce as a double double machine, however, the minutes he gets have been inconsistent whether if it was with Woodson or now with Fisher
So unless we can get very good/great value for him in a trade, I would much rather keep him as insurance, just my opinion

Because we are under the cap next yr and paid the tax this

We have to renounce all exceptions to preserve cap space

Which is why I was advocating surrendering the 2018 1st to dump Calderon's salary

I think another near $8mil in cap could help much more now than the pick later

Especially with Langston here now

26. How do exceptions count against the cap? Does being under the cap always mean that a team has room to sign free agents? Do teams ever lose their exceptions?

If a team is below the cap, then its Disabled Player, Bi-Annual, Mid-Level (either the Taxpayer or Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level, whichever applies to the team) and/or trade exceptions are added to their team salary, and the league treats the team as though they are over the cap 1. This is to prevent a loophole, in a manner similar to free agent amounts (see question number 39). A team can't act like it's under the cap and sign free agents using cap room, and then use their Disabled Player, Bi-Annual, Mid-Level and/or trade exceptions. Consequently, the exceptions are added to their team salary (putting the team over the cap) if the team is under the cap and adding the exceptions puts them over the cap. If a team is already over the cap, then the exceptions are not added to their team salary. There would be no point in doing so, since there is no cap room for signing free agents.

I would not mind giving up a future 1st rounder, though I would prefer a later pick than the 2018, though I do not think that would be enough for teams to even consider taking on Calderon's contract unless they are praying we could continue to suck and NOT get a high pick, and also make the pick unprotected maybe only TOP 3 protected

It is a gamble a GM might be willing to take though, especially if it is to a team like Philly though I do not think Calderon will not be too happy playing for a rebuilding/tanking team for the next couple of years at this point of his career
He probably would accept a buyout the a certain extent in order to join a contender rather than playing for a team that surely will not be looking to win in the next couple of years and have all young guys

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mreinman wrote:I saw Danny Greens shot chart and I fell in love at first sight

I want him bad!

Danny Green is a really good option who may just be gettable. I'd be very pleased if we could pick him off the Spurs roster. Don't know what the Spurs plans are for him cap wise, but he'd be a good target.

Another home town hero comes back home? Straight from the ghetto suburbs of Long Island.

I'm more impressed by Danny's steal and block numbers.
His defensive numbers look good. He also thrives in systems like the Spurs and the Tarheels. This is a guy we need to target at a reasonable price.

yup. The problem is that SAS has more cap room than the Knicks and if Manu and Duncan retire they won't have to worry about their cap holds. It reall just depends on who they target in FA. They can Max out a Marc Gasol regardless but I'm sure they still like to try to fit their players under the tax line.

If they get a big time FA and max out Leonard they might not want to pay Green $12m a year.

I know Love said he wants to play in a big market but if he was willing to stay in Cleveland would he go to SA and play for Pop. It would be the perfect place for a guy like Love.

That is why I say offer a MAX to Kawaii regardless of them matching or not
They would have a 3 day window to acquire FA's, just like Parsons this summer and The Rockets

If Marc Gasol is undecided, the window closes, if they match they have less ability to improve the team if they cannot sign the talent they want

Ron unfortunately there's no outsmarting the smartest ran

Organization in the league, Kawhai is going nowhere and what you'd be doing is tying up

Our cap situation for 3 days, for nothing

The point is if Kawaii and/or Butler is willing to sign it, we should 100% offer it
Why give those teams the time to try to attract FA's when we are trying to compete with them for FA's and they are also our contenders

Only 2 things can result out of it

1- They match but have 3 days to do so while they would only have 3 days to target FA's and still keep their RFA's
2- We actually get the young STAR on our team

don't we also lock ourselves up for 3 days?

Yes

Which is the point I'm trying to tell him

The team that has rights to match has the leverage

They hold you up for 3 days and you let them off the hook for the 5th yr

It's a no brainer they'd match the contract, they would send us a bouquet of roses for doing so

Neither player-agent signs the sheet because every team with cap would be willing to offer them a 4yr deal

Therefore they'd wait until the Bulls-Spurs offered them their market value which is Klay Thompson money

Butler and Kawhai are not options no matter how much we keep dreaming it up in our heads

However, it decreases the teams salary and ability to spend if they offer him the max contract before they can sign FA's
Just like Houston this summer with Parsons, they threw a MAX offer at Bosh and they saved themselves by BOsh not accepting
Had Bosh signed, Ariza wouldn't be there and Parsons would be retained

It comes down to If Kawaii and Butler were willing to sign or not
The 3 days means nothing to else, those are the STAR's that will not sign with NYK regardless, as we are not atttracting anyone with our roster and losses this season if those FA's can get the same amount of money elsewhere

Well if you look at it from Houston's perspective only but what about Miami's?

They were waiting to see Bosh get what would be a true market offer

Once they caught wind he was they gave him a 5yr deal

The same would happen with us, Bulls and Spurs would match easily

Meanwhile tying us up from making lucrative offers to other free agents

Actually what cost Houston was Bosh's slowness to agreeing to the deal

And Houston chasing 2 free agents while Parsons wanted a contract

Had Bosh agreed quickly once Rox moved on from Melo vowing not to return to Miami

Morey would have then offered Parsons a deal or matched

It really wasn't the offer sheet that killed Houston it was wanting

Carmelo and Bosh a little too thick that cost them Parsons

Bottom line with Bulls, they're already capped their prize free agent is Butler

They will use their exceptions to round out roster and they'll have them because they haven't paid Lux Tax dollars yet

Now next year it becomes a little hectic for them heading into 2016 summer

As far as the Spurs yeah right we're not outfoxing them and they have enough cap and track record

Free agents will most certainly wait on them and give them the benefit of the doubt

It comes down to if those players are willing to sign an offer or not, I am saying I would offer them one right at 12.01 when we elgible to offer FA's contracts
NO FA's that are the cream of the crop are coming to the NYK's not this summer, so the 3 days means nothing

And if they did want to come to NYK, they would wait as it is part of FA
They know it is unlikely that we would acquire those players anyway and I agree but it limits their ability to spend as they can add FA's first and then resign their RFA's as their cap hold is low
However, especially for The Spur's, once they match the offfer for Kawaii, they no longer can offer another max contract out, but prior to those 3 days they still can

3 days of spending, we do not lose anything....

Well first of all it's important to think about us first and not the comp

We need to do what's best for us and that's focusing on free agents[we truly believe we can sign]

Once again Butler and Kawhai are not signing offer sheets on the first day of FA[SIGH!]

You're not limiting Bulls in spending, they don't have cap space really[Butler's cap hold places them at or slightly above]

////// maybe Spurs theoretically depending on who they renounce

Keep in mind the Bulls really only need to sign 1 free agent[their own], meanwhile we need to sign several

Therefore we don't have time to be puzzyfooting around in free agency bringing knives to gun fights

Your approach totally applies to those FA with Restricted status and-or FA whose teams have volatile financial situations

So in your swinging for fences scenario the player that best fits this example is actually Draymond Green, he should be the 12:00-01 call

I am saying we do not lose anything but 3 days of spending which doesn't actually hurt us, again I said if they were willing to sign it, then I will do it

Anyway, there was a post somewhere that I cannot find about calling up Thanasis that you said we have the ability to call him and pay him?
I could be wrong but I do not believe we have the ability RIGHT NOW, to offer him anything more than a 2 year deal and that is why we have no called him up, where as this summer, we can offer him a contract that would be over 2 years but need either cap space or an exemption that we can use to call sign him with

However, you said that we can offer him more? Could you further explain how we can do so?

Melol @ Sean Deveney Sampling My Ish and a Great little snipit on Than

http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/story/20...

SANTA CRUZ, Calif. — Last week, Bucks forward Giannis Antetokounmpo had a message for the Knicks that was much-repeated: Call up my brother.

Thanasis Antetokounmpo, the older sibling for Giannis, is currently toiling for the Westchester Knicks, the D-League affiliate for New York, and spent last weekend here at the D-League Showcase. He laughed when his brother’s comments were mentioned.

“I mean, OK, it was a little exaggerated,” he told Sporting News. “My brother did not exactly say it like that. I saw it and I understand it, my brother is proud of me and he knows I work hard. I am proud of him and he is proud of me.”

Still, it is hard to argue with the logic of Giannis Antetokounmpo’s sentiments, even if they were exaggerated. The Knicks have six wins here in late January, and in a lost season, it’s a good idea to get some run for the younger guys. New York brought up point guard Langston Galloway this month, and had him in the starting five to end its 16-game losing streak.

Thanasis Antetokounmpo, meanwhile, has struggled with his perimeter shot in Westchester, but has improved on his ability to attack the basket and draw fouls. He is averaging 13.3 points, but in his last three games, he’s averaged 16.7 and shot 51.4 percent.

More important, Antetokounmpo is a standout defender who plays with boundless energy. How many Knicks players on this sad-sack team can be said to have played with boundless energy? In a dismal year like this, it would help if the Knicks had players on the floor who are trying, even if their game needs work.

Thanasis Antetokounmpo—who passed on a sizable European contract in order to stay with the Knicks in the D-League and develop under the team’s watch—has displayed a little more patience than his brother.

“I am happy with how things are,” he said. “Learning new things every day. My shooting, my defense, offense, everything. We are the affiliate of the Knicks, so it is the same system as the Knicks, so there is a lot to learn.”

Still, there is some faith that he will be called up soon. The Knicks are giving second 10-day contracts to NBA journeymen like Lou Amundson and Lance Thomas. But if they can’t sign them to a third 10-day contract without committing to them through the end of the season, a deal for Antetokounmpo makes a lot more sense than more Amundson.

If that doesn’t work out, there is always the trading deadline, at which the Knicks are expected to give away as many players as they can. If Antetokounmpo doesn’t get his chance by the end of this month, surely he will by the end of February.

That’s what Thanasis Antetokounmpo has been thinking.

“I believe in the Knicks,” he said, “and the Knicks believe in me.”

Let's keep in mind Than passed up money overseas to make $19k or less in the DL

Yet we're showing Lou and Lance Honey Love

Below was stated about his situation in the summer

And maybe rules state long term contracts can only be DOLED out

In the off-season instead of midseason but I recall another late callup draft pick last year

Who got a multi-yr deal with options on contract, trying to think who it was

Now the Bucks signed Johnny O'Bryant who was drafted a couple slots ahead of Than

They did this during the summer he has a multi 4yr deal with TOs on it

I was thinking Than's could look very similar

The way this works is that Antetokounmpo will sign with the D-League itself. He won't be paid or under contract to the Knicks, nor the Knicks' D-League affiliate. Under a new rule stipulated last year by the NBA, if a second-round pick elects to sign with the D-League, the club that holds his draft rights can assign him to their affiliate.

The Knicks will own and operate the team's basketball operations department, but not the roster. So Antetokounmpo will learn under coaches taking direction from New York's front office, and be monitored and developed in tune with their desires, just not on roster with the team. They also can't "call him up" as is done with most D-League players. To do so, they'll have to sign him to a standard second-round deal.

But it does mean the Knicks want him a little closer to home, and it could mean Knicks fans could see him sooner rather than later. It's a long-term process of development, something the Knicks have, you know, skipped quite a bit in recent seasons.

Is there any major difference to signing him to a 2yr deal TO on 2nd yr year now, then reupping down the road

Vs giving him a 4yr deal with the same team options in the summer, the money comes out to about the same

Depending on how we structure the options

FS, there is a HUGE DIFFERENCE for 2 year versus 3 year deals
2 major key reasons

1- Remember the poison pills for Asik and Lin?
Keep in mind, by signing him NEXT season instead of this season, we can lock him up to a 3 year deal if we used cap space and get his full bird rights and offer him an extension to prevent future poison pills
Why spend the money/time resources in developing a player with his upside and risk losing him or overpaying for him in year 3...

2- IF we sign him this summer versus calling him up now, his contract/salary will be AFTER the 2017 CBA lockout also when Durant/Noah are UFA's
So Phil Jackson chose to develop him in the D League as he was still very raw to begin with

Many teams can pay the 2nd round picks more, especially foreign talents, hwoever, you need cap space or exemptions like MLE or LLE aka Bi Annuel Exemption, or Disabled player exemption *think this is only for 1 year though*

Those teams all had cap space or an exemption to use, we cannot use trade exemptions on FA's or our own draft picks
We could have used our mini MLE or part of it on Thanasis though, however, we didn't...

So he is still very young, we still own his rights, and next season we can sign him to a deal if he agrees to it or we hold on to his draft rights, so we have leverage on him regardless
By him joining the D League, we can monitor his progression more while having an input on how he develops as a player/athlete and for the triangle, as we also own our own D LEAGUE team as well
Therefore we can choose to offer him more than even 1m if we want, like 2-3m per year for 3/4 years with team options
But we do not have to do so either
He also would have to agree to it but we own his draft rights regardless

Recalling him up now, we cannot offer him a 3year deal, only the bare minimum as a mid/late 2nd rounder, and it results as 1 year for the rest of this season and he will be eligible for an extension in 2017 and if he does develop into a very good player or even lock down defender/2nd tier STAR, we would have to choose between keeping him or offering a contract to Durant/Noah
So there is no point in recalling up Thanasis this year as it hurts us while we are still developing him and molding him as we speak

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jrodmc wrote:Pablo, Acy and Cole for: any first round pick sooner than 2018.
The regime change/clearance firesale will continue.

"Dont be surprised"

Does anyone believe that Phil had this in mind as part of his 'become a "learner" by December or buh-bye'?

I think we should keep Cole Aldrich as his cap hold is the vet min however, we own his early bird rights
Meaning we could offer him a contract that would allow us to go over the cap and therefore have the FULL 5m MLE (which will be closer to 6m)

We also have trade exemptions to use but they now hold a cap hold on them, so we have no renounce them or use them before we can use the cap space to sign FA's
However, in general, we need assets to acquire any talent, we do not have picks to spare so keeping Cole could be our insurance in order to have the FULL MLE instead of only the LLE aka Bi Anual Exemption which will be about 2.8m for next season

Also when he is given PT, he shows he can produce as a double double machine, however, the minutes he gets have been inconsistent whether if it was with Woodson or now with Fisher
So unless we can get very good/great value for him in a trade, I would much rather keep him as insurance, just my opinion

All good points, but the question isn't what would RonRon do, it's whether Phil is going to get rid of anyone that smacks of the former regime? As in, Cole is good, but he ain't mine.

I'm just wondering if the Great Coach's ego plan is to show the world that he can build a winner with his own bare hands, as opposed to just playing MJ Kobe Shaq... Nobody's (at least not the loudest voices in the UK) are going to be saying "oh yeah, he won chips with the Knicks only because he had Melo..."

1- Kostas Papanikolaou, ALL YEARS ARE NOT GUARANTEED and it is unlikely that Kostas Pap would have left Greece had Morey not ofered him a lucrative deal

YEAR 1
$4,797,664

YEAR 2
$4,851,769

YEAR 3
$5,727,211

2- Nikola Mirotic - he was drafted quite awhile ago and was waiting to develop his game in Europe and prepare himself for the NBA while waiting for Chicago to offer him a more lucrative deal than what his contract allows, a reason they amnestied Boozer to also chase CA and their backup plan was Gasol and Mirotic

YEAR 1
$5,305,000

YEAR 2
$5,543,725

YEAR 3
$5,782,450

3- MoSGoV was a recent player that the Knick's found a gem in, however, was added to acquire CA, and now was just Denver has added another 2 1st round picks from the deal, on top of the 60m in tax/salaries we helped them save, we also gave up 1 1st round pick, 2 GS 2nd round picks *acquired from GS for David Lee*, Raymond Felton for Andre Miller and a 1st round pick from Portland

Denver's acquisitions for CA, almost 5 years later, and CA got his extra year of salary so he could opt out of this last summer, instead of just signing with us in the Summer

1- Wilson Chandler *who can easily be traded for a 1st rounder as well as Denver has a team option for him next year at a nice salary of $7,171,662*

2- Gallo *who has been plagued by injuries and has 2 years left on his deal, $10,854,850 *this year* and $11,559,225 *next year, would have trouble unloading him without giving up assets do to multiple injuries*

3- Felton *who was traded for Andre Miller and a 1st rounder*

4- MoSGoV *who was traded for 2 1st rounders*

5- 1 1st rounder * and 1 swap

6- Also acquired Koufus in the trade and landed a 2nd pick from Memphis *pick 55* and Darrel Arthur

7- 2 GS 2nd rounders that were predicted to be HIGH 2nd round picks as GS was still a developing team at the time

-==1) 2012 2nd rounder that became Quincy Miller and eventually cut, while Kris Middleton was drafted right after

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_NBA_dr...

-==B) 2013 2nd rounder that was pick 55 *Romero Osbythough, though was predicted to be much higher during the trade until Curry and GS blew up and Curry stayed healthy*

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_NBA_dr...

8- Saved upwards of 60m salaries and tax as Eddy Curry's expiring went to Twolves

9- Unloaded Billups, Shelden Williams, and Renaldo Balkman's contract to us which all were negative value at the time

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mreinman wrote:I saw Danny Greens shot chart and I fell in love at first sight

I want him bad!

Danny Green is a really good option who may just be gettable. I'd be very pleased if we could pick him off the Spurs roster. Don't know what the Spurs plans are for him cap wise, but he'd be a good target.

Another home town hero comes back home? Straight from the ghetto suburbs of Long Island.

I'm more impressed by Danny's steal and block numbers.
His defensive numbers look good. He also thrives in systems like the Spurs and the Tarheels. This is a guy we need to target at a reasonable price.

yup. The problem is that SAS has more cap room than the Knicks and if Manu and Duncan retire they won't have to worry about their cap holds. It reall just depends on who they target in FA. They can Max out a Marc Gasol regardless but I'm sure they still like to try to fit their players under the tax line.

If they get a big time FA and max out Leonard they might not want to pay Green $12m a year.

I know Love said he wants to play in a big market but if he was willing to stay in Cleveland would he go to SA and play for Pop. It would be the perfect place for a guy like Love.

That is why I say offer a MAX to Kawaii regardless of them matching or not
They would have a 3 day window to acquire FA's, just like Parsons this summer and The Rockets

If Marc Gasol is undecided, the window closes, if they match they have less ability to improve the team if they cannot sign the talent they want

Ron unfortunately there's no outsmarting the smartest ran

Organization in the league, Kawhai is going nowhere and what you'd be doing is tying up

Our cap situation for 3 days, for nothing

The point is if Kawaii and/or Butler is willing to sign it, we should 100% offer it
Why give those teams the time to try to attract FA's when we are trying to compete with them for FA's and they are also our contenders

Only 2 things can result out of it

1- They match but have 3 days to do so while they would only have 3 days to target FA's and still keep their RFA's
2- We actually get the young STAR on our team

don't we also lock ourselves up for 3 days?

Yes

Which is the point I'm trying to tell him

The team that has rights to match has the leverage

They hold you up for 3 days and you let them off the hook for the 5th yr

It's a no brainer they'd match the contract, they would send us a bouquet of roses for doing so

Neither player-agent signs the sheet because every team with cap would be willing to offer them a 4yr deal

Therefore they'd wait until the Bulls-Spurs offered them their market value which is Klay Thompson money

Butler and Kawhai are not options no matter how much we keep dreaming it up in our heads

However, it decreases the teams salary and ability to spend if they offer him the max contract before they can sign FA's
Just like Houston this summer with Parsons, they threw a MAX offer at Bosh and they saved themselves by BOsh not accepting
Had Bosh signed, Ariza wouldn't be there and Parsons would be retained

It comes down to If Kawaii and Butler were willing to sign or not
The 3 days means nothing to else, those are the STAR's that will not sign with NYK regardless, as we are not atttracting anyone with our roster and losses this season if those FA's can get the same amount of money elsewhere

Well if you look at it from Houston's perspective only but what about Miami's?

They were waiting to see Bosh get what would be a true market offer

Once they caught wind he was they gave him a 5yr deal

The same would happen with us, Bulls and Spurs would match easily

Meanwhile tying us up from making lucrative offers to other free agents

Actually what cost Houston was Bosh's slowness to agreeing to the deal

And Houston chasing 2 free agents while Parsons wanted a contract

Had Bosh agreed quickly once Rox moved on from Melo vowing not to return to Miami

Morey would have then offered Parsons a deal or matched

It really wasn't the offer sheet that killed Houston it was wanting

Carmelo and Bosh a little too thick that cost them Parsons

Bottom line with Bulls, they're already capped their prize free agent is Butler

They will use their exceptions to round out roster and they'll have them because they haven't paid Lux Tax dollars yet

Now next year it becomes a little hectic for them heading into 2016 summer

As far as the Spurs yeah right we're not outfoxing them and they have enough cap and track record

Free agents will most certainly wait on them and give them the benefit of the doubt

It comes down to if those players are willing to sign an offer or not, I am saying I would offer them one right at 12.01 when we elgible to offer FA's contracts
NO FA's that are the cream of the crop are coming to the NYK's not this summer, so the 3 days means nothing

And if they did want to come to NYK, they would wait as it is part of FA
They know it is unlikely that we would acquire those players anyway and I agree but it limits their ability to spend as they can add FA's first and then resign their RFA's as their cap hold is low
However, especially for The Spur's, once they match the offfer for Kawaii, they no longer can offer another max contract out, but prior to those 3 days they still can

3 days of spending, we do not lose anything....

Well first of all it's important to think about us first and not the comp

We need to do what's best for us and that's focusing on free agents[we truly believe we can sign]

Once again Butler and Kawhai are not signing offer sheets on the first day of FA[SIGH!]

You're not limiting Bulls in spending, they don't have cap space really[Butler's cap hold places them at or slightly above]

////// maybe Spurs theoretically depending on who they renounce

Keep in mind the Bulls really only need to sign 1 free agent[their own], meanwhile we need to sign several

Therefore we don't have time to be puzzyfooting around in free agency bringing knives to gun fights

Your approach totally applies to those FA with Restricted status and-or FA whose teams have volatile financial situations

So in your swinging for fences scenario the player that best fits this example is actually Draymond Green, he should be the 12:00-01 call

I am saying we do not lose anything but 3 days of spending which doesn't actually hurt us, again I said if they were willing to sign it, then I will do it

Anyway, there was a post somewhere that I cannot find about calling up Thanasis that you said we have the ability to call him and pay him?
I could be wrong but I do not believe we have the ability RIGHT NOW, to offer him anything more than a 2 year deal and that is why we have no called him up, where as this summer, we can offer him a contract that would be over 2 years but need either cap space or an exemption that we can use to call sign him with

However, you said that we can offer him more? Could you further explain how we can do so?

Melol @ Sean Deveney Sampling My Ish and a Great little snipit on Than

http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/story/20...

SANTA CRUZ, Calif. — Last week, Bucks forward Giannis Antetokounmpo had a message for the Knicks that was much-repeated: Call up my brother.

Thanasis Antetokounmpo, the older sibling for Giannis, is currently toiling for the Westchester Knicks, the D-League affiliate for New York, and spent last weekend here at the D-League Showcase. He laughed when his brother’s comments were mentioned.

“I mean, OK, it was a little exaggerated,” he told Sporting News. “My brother did not exactly say it like that. I saw it and I understand it, my brother is proud of me and he knows I work hard. I am proud of him and he is proud of me.”

Still, it is hard to argue with the logic of Giannis Antetokounmpo’s sentiments, even if they were exaggerated. The Knicks have six wins here in late January, and in a lost season, it’s a good idea to get some run for the younger guys. New York brought up point guard Langston Galloway this month, and had him in the starting five to end its 16-game losing streak.

Thanasis Antetokounmpo, meanwhile, has struggled with his perimeter shot in Westchester, but has improved on his ability to attack the basket and draw fouls. He is averaging 13.3 points, but in his last three games, he’s averaged 16.7 and shot 51.4 percent.

More important, Antetokounmpo is a standout defender who plays with boundless energy. How many Knicks players on this sad-sack team can be said to have played with boundless energy? In a dismal year like this, it would help if the Knicks had players on the floor who are trying, even if their game needs work.

Thanasis Antetokounmpo—who passed on a sizable European contract in order to stay with the Knicks in the D-League and develop under the team’s watch—has displayed a little more patience than his brother.

“I am happy with how things are,” he said. “Learning new things every day. My shooting, my defense, offense, everything. We are the affiliate of the Knicks, so it is the same system as the Knicks, so there is a lot to learn.”

Still, there is some faith that he will be called up soon. The Knicks are giving second 10-day contracts to NBA journeymen like Lou Amundson and Lance Thomas. But if they can’t sign them to a third 10-day contract without committing to them through the end of the season, a deal for Antetokounmpo makes a lot more sense than more Amundson.

If that doesn’t work out, there is always the trading deadline, at which the Knicks are expected to give away as many players as they can. If Antetokounmpo doesn’t get his chance by the end of this month, surely he will by the end of February.

That’s what Thanasis Antetokounmpo has been thinking.

“I believe in the Knicks,” he said, “and the Knicks believe in me.”

Let's keep in mind Than passed up money overseas to make $19k or less in the DL

Yet we're showing Lou and Lance Honey Love

Below was stated about his situation in the summer

And maybe rules state long term contracts can only be DOLED out

In the off-season instead of midseason but I recall another late callup draft pick last year

Who got a multi-yr deal with options on contract, trying to think who it was

Now the Bucks signed Johnny O'Bryant who was drafted a couple slots ahead of Than

They did this during the summer he has a multi 4yr deal with TOs on it

I was thinking Than's could look very similar

The way this works is that Antetokounmpo will sign with the D-League itself. He won't be paid or under contract to the Knicks, nor the Knicks' D-League affiliate. Under a new rule stipulated last year by the NBA, if a second-round pick elects to sign with the D-League, the club that holds his draft rights can assign him to their affiliate.

The Knicks will own and operate the team's basketball operations department, but not the roster. So Antetokounmpo will learn under coaches taking direction from New York's front office, and be monitored and developed in tune with their desires, just not on roster with the team. They also can't "call him up" as is done with most D-League players. To do so, they'll have to sign him to a standard second-round deal.

But it does mean the Knicks want him a little closer to home, and it could mean Knicks fans could see him sooner rather than later. It's a long-term process of development, something the Knicks have, you know, skipped quite a bit in recent seasons.

Is there any major difference to signing him to a 2yr deal TO on 2nd yr year now, then reupping down the road

Vs giving him a 4yr deal with the same team options in the summer, the money comes out to about the same

Depending on how we structure the options

FS, there is a HUGE DIFFERENCE for 2 year versus 3 year deals
2 major key reasons

1- Remember the poison pills for Asik and Lin?
Keep in mind, by signing him NEXT season instead of this season, we can lock him up to a 3 year deal if we used cap space and get his full bird rights and offer him an extension to prevent future poison pills
Why spend the money/time resources in developing a player with his upside and risk losing him or overpaying for him in year 3...

2- IF we sign him this summer versus calling him up now, his contract/salary will be AFTER the 2017 CBA lockout also when Durant/Noah are UFA's
So Phil Jackson chose to develop him in the D League as he was still very raw to begin with

Many teams can pay the 2nd round picks more, especially foreign talents, hwoever, you need cap space or exemptions like MLE or LLE aka Bi Annuel Exemption, or Disabled player exemption *think this is only for 1 year though*

Those teams all had cap space or an exemption to use, we cannot use trade exemptions on FA's or our own draft picks
We could have used our mini MLE or part of it on Thanasis though, however, we didn't...

So he is still very young, we still own his rights, and next season we can sign him to a deal if he agrees to it or we hold on to his draft rights, so we have leverage on him regardless
By him joining the D League, we can monitor his progression more while having an input on how he develops as a player/athlete and for the triangle, as we also own our own D LEAGUE team as well
Therefore we can choose to offer him more than even 1m if we want, like 2-3m per year for 3/4 years with team options
But we do not have to do so either
He also would have to agree to it but we own his draft rights regardless

Recalling him up now, we cannot offer him a 3year deal, only the bare minimum as a mid/late 2nd rounder, and it results as 1 year for the rest of this season and he will be eligible for an extension in 2017 and if he does develop into a very good player or even lock down defender/2nd tier STAR, we would have to choose between keeping him or offering a contract to Durant/Noah
So there is no point in recalling up Thanasis this year as it hurts us while we are still developing him and molding him as we speak

Yes the I understand deals can be quite different in structure and implications

Had we'd signed him this year and given him a 2yr deal with Team Option on yr 2

It means we hold the cards on him not the other way around

I believe we can sign him right now for as many yrs under the 2nd round draft pick rules

As long as he stays with us for 3yrs straight he gains BR even if all we did

Was offer 3 straight 1 yr deals or pick up his option in consecutive yrs totaling 3

So all the things you said still hold true, which is why I posted the info

The only thing it would have cost us is roster spot and tax at minimum salary

He would have received a deal similar to Johnny O'Bryant let's stop embellishing

On what the numbers would have looked like, he has 2nd round draft pick salary restriction

Keep in mind he can also be called up by any team if they want to offer him a deal

Including the Bucks to join his brother, fortunate for us the kid is a good dude showing some loyalty

Maybe we could extend ourselves here a little and show some love back

Until you provide me proof with links his contract can't look like this I'll have to disagree

Prove me wrong, would gladly concede being wrong but still would prefer us to sign him as we hold the cards

When he's under contract instead of a free agent as he is now

When he's under contract instead of a free agent as he is now

CrushAlot wrote:

When he's under contract instead of a free agent as he is now

He isn't a free agent. His rights are owned by the Knicks. Not sure why you would call him a free agent.

Poor phrasing of words, it was said in light of

Ron pointing out the Poison Pill what ifs

I'm saying we're in a position to call him up now

Even if just to finish off the season instead of worrying about

Him becoming a free agent on the half yr deal or even at a 2yr deal

To becoming a free agent again a yr later

Yes I spoke to him being called up by another team but

I should have mentioned they would have to trade for his rights, so my bad there

All I'm saying I'd like us to show love to our own before someone else does

In a lost season, especially someone who passed up a $500k contract

I'm reading more and more articles on the Web with wonderment on what we're waiting for