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CrushAlot wrote:

When he's under contract instead of a free agent as he is now

He isn't a free agent. His rights are owned by the Knicks. Not sure why you would call him a free agent.

Poor phrasing of words, it was said in light of

Ron pointing out the Poison Pill what ifs

I'm saying we're in a position to call him up now

Even if just to finish off the season instead of worrying about

Him becoming a free agent on the half yr deal or even at a 2yr deal

To becoming a free agent again a yr later

Yes I spoke to him being called up by another team but

I should have mentioned they would have to trade for his rights, so my bad there

All I'm saying I'd like us to show love to our own before someone else does

In a lost season, especially someone who passed up a $500k contract

I'm reading more and more articles on the Web with wonderment on what we're waiting for

F500ONE wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

When he's under contract instead of a free agent as he is now

He isn't a free agent. His rights are owned by the Knicks. Not sure why you would call him a free agent.

Poor phrasing of words, it was said in light of

Ron pointing out the Poison Pill what ifs

I'm saying we're in a position to call him up now

Even if just to finish off the season instead of worrying about

Him becoming a free agent on the half yr deal or even at a 2yr deal

To becoming a free agent again a yr later

Yes I spoke to him being called up by another team but

I should have mentioned they would have to trade for his rights, so my bad there

All I'm saying I'd like us to show love to our own before someone else does

In a lost season, especially someone who passed up a $500k contract

I'm reading more and more articles on the Web with wonderment on what we're waiting for

The reality is that he may get traded. His contract makes him an easy throw in. In regards to his coming up, I don't think he is ready and the Knicks as an organization lose roster and cap flexibility by moving him up and they lose nothing by keeping him in Westchester. The Knicks are in a great situation with him because he is working with their developmental coaches but he isn't on assignment/under contract.

CrushAlot wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

When he's under contract instead of a free agent as he is now

He isn't a free agent. His rights are owned by the Knicks. Not sure why you would call him a free agent.

Poor phrasing of words, it was said in light of

Ron pointing out the Poison Pill what ifs

I'm saying we're in a position to call him up now

Even if just to finish off the season instead of worrying about

Him becoming a free agent on the half yr deal or even at a 2yr deal

To becoming a free agent again a yr later

Yes I spoke to him being called up by another team but

I should have mentioned they would have to trade for his rights, so my bad there

All I'm saying I'd like us to show love to our own before someone else does

In a lost season, especially someone who passed up a $500k contract

I'm reading more and more articles on the Web with wonderment on what we're waiting for

The reality is that he may get traded. His contract makes him an easy throw in. In regards to his coming up, I don't think he is ready and the Knicks as an organization lose roster and cap flexibility by moving him up and they lose nothing by keeping him in Westchester. The Knicks are in a great situation with him because he is working with their developmental coaches but he isn't on assignment/under contract.

You mention roster spot and cap flexibility

Can you expound on this a little

Provide a little more detail how it hurts the Knicks

Like some metric examples

If you choose to do so keep in mind

There's lots of talk of cutting-waiving Andrea Bargnani soon

Alright now go

F500ONE wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

When he's under contract instead of a free agent as he is now

He isn't a free agent. His rights are owned by the Knicks. Not sure why you would call him a free agent.

Poor phrasing of words, it was said in light of

Ron pointing out the Poison Pill what ifs

I'm saying we're in a position to call him up now

Even if just to finish off the season instead of worrying about

Him becoming a free agent on the half yr deal or even at a 2yr deal

To becoming a free agent again a yr later

Yes I spoke to him being called up by another team but

I should have mentioned they would have to trade for his rights, so my bad there

All I'm saying I'd like us to show love to our own before someone else does

In a lost season, especially someone who passed up a $500k contract

I'm reading more and more articles on the Web with wonderment on what we're waiting for

The reality is that he may get traded. His contract makes him an easy throw in. In regards to his coming up, I don't think he is ready and the Knicks as an organization lose roster and cap flexibility by moving him up and they lose nothing by keeping him in Westchester. The Knicks are in a great situation with him because he is working with their developmental coaches but he isn't on assignment/under contract.

You mention roster spot and cap flexibility

Can you expound on this a little

Provide a little more detail how it hurts the Knicks

Like some metric examples

If you choose to do so keep in mind

There's lots of talk of cutting-waiving Andrea Bargnani soon

Alright now go

Sure. If a spot opens up the Knicks can pick up someone else and they still will have Thanasis. If that guy doesn't work out they can pick up someone else and they still have Thanasis etc. If the Knicks sign Thanasis they have to hold his salary slot this offseason or renounce his rights and lose him. If they don't sign him they still have his rights and he doesn't have a salary slot.

CrushAlot wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

When he's under contract instead of a free agent as he is now

He isn't a free agent. His rights are owned by the Knicks. Not sure why you would call him a free agent.

Poor phrasing of words, it was said in light of

Ron pointing out the Poison Pill what ifs

I'm saying we're in a position to call him up now

Even if just to finish off the season instead of worrying about

Him becoming a free agent on the half yr deal or even at a 2yr deal

To becoming a free agent again a yr later

Yes I spoke to him being called up by another team but

I should have mentioned they would have to trade for his rights, so my bad there

All I'm saying I'd like us to show love to our own before someone else does

In a lost season, especially someone who passed up a $500k contract

I'm reading more and more articles on the Web with wonderment on what we're waiting for

The reality is that he may get traded. His contract makes him an easy throw in. In regards to his coming up, I don't think he is ready and the Knicks as an organization lose roster and cap flexibility by moving him up and they lose nothing by keeping him in Westchester. The Knicks are in a great situation with him because he is working with their developmental coaches but he isn't on assignment/under contract.

You mention roster spot and cap flexibility

Can you expound on this a little

Provide a little more detail how it hurts the Knicks

Like some metric examples

If you choose to do so keep in mind

There's lots of talk of cutting-waiving Andrea Bargnani soon

Alright now go

Sure. If a spot opens up the Knicks can pick up someone else and they still will have Thanasis. If that guy doesn't work out they can pick up someone else and they still have Thanasis etc. If the Knicks sign Thanasis they have to hold his salary slot this offseason or renounce his rights and lose him. If they don't sign him they still have his rights and he doesn't have a salary slot.

Thanks for the reply

Langston is the very reason why you should call players up

Our history has shown we don't find players this late

And then sign them as part of the future

This is a built in unknown fear excuse

There is no major risk to call him up

If it comes down to making room for a potential gem

You waive Lou and-or Lance or Bargnani[like we're planning on doing]

You get the youth on the NBA court now so the learning curve is cut down

We're not fielding a team of a bunch of waived d-league free agent players next yr

You know this as does everyone else

Have you read the recent article covering Joe Alexander

And what he said about the NBA and the D-League, it was so full of awesome

^^^^^What do the knicks lose if they keep him in Westchester working with the Knicks developmental staff for the rest of the season?

CrushAlot wrote:^^^^^What do the knicks lose if they keep him in Westchester working with the Knicks developmental staff for the rest of the season?

He's not playing the triangle system with some

Of our players, NBA players and there's always a chance

You think you may have a better player, but we don't

And we keep him down there wasting away

One of our biggest weakness is backcourt defensive help

This is one thing he possibly could solve

Whose roster spot did Langston jeopardize by being called up

F500ONE wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:^^^^^What do the knicks lose if they keep him in Westchester working with the Knicks developmental staff for the rest of the season?

He's not playing the triangle system with some

Of our players, NBA players and there's always a chance

You think you may have a better player, but we don't

And we keep him down there wasting away

One of our biggest weakness is backcourt defensive help

This is one thing he possibly could solve

Whose roster spot did Langston jeopardize by being called up

Sam was waived. Langston truly was a free agent and was playing well. If the Knicks didn't sign him another team could have signed him. Thanasis's rights are owned by the Knicks. No other team can sign him.

CrushAlot wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:^^^^^What do the knicks lose if they keep him in Westchester working with the Knicks developmental staff for the rest of the season?

He's not playing the triangle system with some

Of our players, NBA players and there's always a chance

You think you may have a better player, but we don't

And we keep him down there wasting away

One of our biggest weakness is backcourt defensive help

This is one thing he possibly could solve

Whose roster spot did Langston jeopardize by being called up

Sam was waived. Langston truly was a free agent and was playing well. If the Knicks didn't sign him another team could have signed him. Thanasis's rights are owned by the Knicks. No other team can sign him.

So this comes down to you being a lot

Toned down on Than compared to a month ago

But once again who's spot did Langston take away once Sam was waived

You're implying if we sign Than he's going to eat away

At a future potential signing, as in you're looking past Than

But should he get called up whenever that is I'm going to either assume

You'll feel the same way now or that it will be the absolute

Perfect time to call him up throwing your present reasoning aside

I hope he gets called up before this yr concludes

Especially with Early not getting any burn

F500ONE wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:^^^^^What do the knicks lose if they keep him in Westchester working with the Knicks developmental staff for the rest of the season?

He's not playing the triangle system with some

Of our players, NBA players and there's always a chance

You think you may have a better player, but we don't

And we keep him down there wasting away

One of our biggest weakness is backcourt defensive help

This is one thing he possibly could solve

Whose roster spot did Langston jeopardize by being called up

Sam was waived. Langston truly was a free agent and was playing well. If the Knicks didn't sign him another team could have signed him. Thanasis's rights are owned by the Knicks. No other team can sign him.

So this comes down to you being a lot

Toned down on Than compared to a month ago

But once again who's spot did Langston take away once Sam was waived

You're implying if we sign Than he's going to eat away

At a future potential signing, as in you're looking past Than

But should he get called up whenever that is I'm going to either assume

You'll feel the same way or that it will be the absolute

Perfect time to call him up throwing your present reasoning aside

I hope he gets called up before this yr concludes

Especially with Early not getting any burn

How can you look past Thanasis if you already have him and he is working with Knicks developmental coaches? The Knicks have Thanasis where they want him. I really can't see your side to this at all.

CrushAlot wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:^^^^^What do the knicks lose if they keep him in Westchester working with the Knicks developmental staff for the rest of the season?

He's not playing the triangle system with some

Of our players, NBA players and there's always a chance

You think you may have a better player, but we don't

And we keep him down there wasting away

One of our biggest weakness is backcourt defensive help

This is one thing he possibly could solve

Whose roster spot did Langston jeopardize by being called up

Sam was waived. Langston truly was a free agent and was playing well. If the Knicks didn't sign him another team could have signed him. Thanasis's rights are owned by the Knicks. No other team can sign him.

So this comes down to you being a lot

Toned down on Than compared to a month ago

But once again who's spot did Langston take away once Sam was waived

You're implying if we sign Than he's going to eat away

At a future potential signing, as in you're looking past Than

But should he get called up whenever that is I'm going to either assume

You'll feel the same way or that it will be the absolute

Perfect time to call him up throwing your present reasoning aside

I hope he gets called up before this yr concludes

Especially with Early not getting any burn

How can you look past Thanasis if you already have him and he is working with Knicks developmental coaches? The Knicks have Thanasis where they want him. I really can't see your side to this at all.

If you're not in the NBA, you're not in the NBA

But okay we talked it out and agree to disagree

F500ONE wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:^^^^^What do the knicks lose if they keep him in Westchester working with the Knicks developmental staff for the rest of the season?

He's not playing the triangle system with some

Of our players, NBA players and there's always a chance

You think you may have a better player, but we don't

And we keep him down there wasting away

One of our biggest weakness is backcourt defensive help

This is one thing he possibly could solve

Whose roster spot did Langston jeopardize by being called up

Sam was waived. Langston truly was a free agent and was playing well. If the Knicks didn't sign him another team could have signed him. Thanasis's rights are owned by the Knicks. No other team can sign him.

So this comes down to you being a lot

Toned down on Than compared to a month ago

But once again who's spot did Langston take away once Sam was waived

You're implying if we sign Than he's going to eat away

At a future potential signing, as in you're looking past Than

But should he get called up whenever that is I'm going to either assume

You'll feel the same way or that it will be the absolute

Perfect time to call him up throwing your present reasoning aside

I hope he gets called up before this yr concludes

Especially with Early not getting any burn

How can you look past Thanasis if you already have him and he is working with Knicks developmental coaches? The Knicks have Thanasis where they want him. I really can't see your side to this at all.

If you're not in the NBA, you're not in the NBA

But okay we talked it out and agree to disagree

I usually dont engage in these long as 1 on 1 threads. But i agree with Crush on this 1. The major goal is to accumulate as much talent as possible. If than is improving and looks like a future keeper, then why bring him up and hurt our chances at for the #1 pick?

Than is a keeper....regardless where he plays this yr or next. Galloway couldve been picked up by another team....we didnt have his rights.

F500...your method is also the right move....just not right now. I agree with u....i like him a lot. I play defense....thats my specialty. So i think hes going to be a great 2 way role player for us next yr. But we trying to win the TANK BOWL.....Dont forget. Typical Knick fan....no patience. Let Than dominate the nbdl....he aint going no where....add some other clowns in search for more Than type players.

I wonder if the fact that he's still here means no one would give up a 2nd round pick for him

Bonn1997 wrote:I wonder if the fact that he's still here means no one would give up a 2nd round pick for him

Farmer and Nate are out there for nothing. Guys are coming back from China soon (will Bynum etc.). Not sure a team needs to give up an asset to get a solid back up point. Pablo is really good and a team might see him as the perfect fit.

Isn't there also a contractual loophole? Something with bird right or early bird rights? As in if they bring up Thansis this season they'll be limited in the contract they can offer? But after a year they can give him a longer deal? Something like that? I rememebr reading an explanation of this situation and now I'm googling and can't find it again. It mightve been a Twitter conversation. Hmmm. Anyone know what I'm talking about (also I may just be misremembering...).

H1AND1 wrote:Isn't there also a contractual loophole? Something with bird right or early bird rights? As in if they bring up Thansis this season they'll be limited in the contract they can offer? But after a year they can give him a longer deal? Something like that? I rememebr reading an explanation of this situation and now I'm googling and can't find it again. It mightve been a Twitter conversation. Hmmm. Anyone know what I'm talking about (also I may just be misremembering...).

I am not sure about his contract but I remember reading that the guy they would bring up was Galloway because they had Thanasis's rights. I think it was Schlosser, in the KnicksBlog. Schlosser is the lead writer for Ridiculous Upside and knows the d league very well.

Pistons like Prigoni

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Interesting. Thanks for sharing.

I want 2 1st rounders and jerebko

Why Priggioni? Calderon is the dude they see to offer Piston

Bonn1997 wrote:

F500ONE wrote:Pistons like Prigoni

Interesting. Thanks for sharing.

Let's hope the Pistons situation saves Phil a little here