Knicks · Amare appreciation thread. (page 1)

Wow. He's finally gone! I mean I have mixed feelings. For so long I hated his contract but felt sorry for the man. I never once criticized the mans heart or desire for excellence. I admired the way he remodeled his game to become a good low post scorer. He was an awful defender but i always thought it was due to bad execution not bad effort. Dude was just born with bad knees that worsened after suffering injuries. He gave his heart and soul to the knicks. I hated the contract from the day he signed it but thats not his fault (i blame the knicks for foolishly signing him to a 5 yr uninsured contract). The whole nba knew he had awful knees that would deteriorate with time. However now that's in the past and hes gone. I kinda feel sad but I wish the guy good fortune and hopes he wins that ring.

Amare sucks the big one. Good riddance & get out!

No appreciation here.....Now that he's gone I feel bitter. Amare was hurt must of his tenure. Feels like someone was living with us rent free/eating up our food and wasting electricity, then finds a job and leaves without giving as much as a thank you card....smh

Amare played like an MVP when he was healthy, always did his level best to get back from his many injuries as fast as he could. Did some stupid stuff while he was here like the fire extinguisher incident, but he wasnt a malcontent like Marbury, a lazy SOB like Curry and Jerome James.

GustavBahler wrote:Amare played like an MVP when he was healthy, always did his level best to get back from his many injuries as fast as he could. Did some stupid stuff while he was here like the fire extinguisher incident, but he wasnt a malcontent like Marbury, a lazy SOB like Curry and Jerome James.

He was mvp caliber for 4 months into his career here. It's a 5 year contract

EnySpree wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Amare played like an MVP when he was healthy, always did his level best to get back from his many injuries as fast as he could. Did some stupid stuff while he was here like the fire extinguisher incident, but he wasnt a malcontent like Marbury, a lazy SOB like Curry and Jerome James.

He was mvp caliber for 4 months into his career here. It's a 5 year contract

It's a shame the league wouldn't let us give him a 4 month contract!

We're in a healthy place right now so we can let this era go....I'm confident the Knicks will build back to relevance starting with this draft

EnySpree wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Amare played like an MVP when he was healthy, always did his level best to get back from his many injuries as fast as he could. Did some stupid stuff while he was here like the fire extinguisher incident, but he wasnt a malcontent like Marbury, a lazy SOB like Curry and Jerome James.

He was mvp caliber for 4 months into his career here. It's a 5 year contract

Amar'e biggest sin was that he had the knees of a 65 year old man, according to doctors. Im as glad as anyone to finally see that albatross of a contract expire, but Amar'e tried to live up to his contract and his body failed him. Lots of cap killing players in this team's history who I was much happier to see hit the bricks.

funny what some people consider mvp basketball. during his "epic run" where he "put the team on his back" and "carried them to respectability" by being in "beast mode" all he did was score a lot of points. he didn't really rebound, or defend, or pass the ball, or fight for loose balls that much. lastly, you'd think in a team sport that its most valuable player is he who actually makes others around him better.

2.66 assists for Nov,Dec,Jan. but those are offset by 3.27 turnovers-- he hurt his team.
32% usage rate and around a 10% assist rate makes for a ghastly ratio of 3:1-- this hurt his team.
8.9 rebounds not too shabby, and includes 2.7 offensive rebounds which is pretty good, although following your own shot cheapens the stat
56.8% TS is ok, efficient... but it certainly isn't proficient, and proficiency is what you want from a wingish mvp candidate who doesn't share the ball and is a turnover machine.

again, amare stoudemire never made others around him better during those several months. sportscasters and writers vote on this jayvee season award. maybe durant has it right-- these people don't know that much.

dk7th wrote:funny what some people consider mvp basketball. during his "epic run" where he "put the team on his back" and "carried them to respectability" by being in "beast mode" all he did was score a lot of points. he didn't really rebound, or defend, or pass the ball, or fight for loose balls that much. lastly, you'd think in a team sport that its most valuable player is he who actually makes others around him better.

2.66 assists for Nov,Dec,Jan. but those are offset by 3.27 turnovers-- he hurt his team.
32% usage rate and around a 10% assist rate makes for a ghastly ratio of 3:1-- this hurt his team.
8.9 rebounds not too shabby, and includes 2.7 offensive rebounds which is pretty good, although following your own shot cheapens the stat
56.8% TS is ok, efficient... but it certainly isn't proficient, and proficiency is what you want from a wingish mvp candidate who doesn't share the ball and is a turnover machine.

again, amare stoudemire never made others around him better during those several months. sportscasters and writers vote on this jayvee season award. maybe durant has it right-- these people don't know that much.

Its funny because I just have memories of what I watched and Amare and that team was so much better than anything the Knicks had had during the first two years of the Walsh/D'Antoni tenure. Also, they were competitive every night and while it may have been lame and predictable, Amare for three on the final seconds of a game after a time out was somewhat effective. I guess that team really wasn't on the cusp of something great.

It was great when he first came here. Unfortunately too much false hope and big talk from amare thru the media. In a way he symbolized what the Knicks were these past 5 years. I now feel like we can get a real fresh start now to a new era.

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:funny what some people consider mvp basketball. during his "epic run" where he "put the team on his back" and "carried them to respectability" by being in "beast mode" all he did was score a lot of points. he didn't really rebound, or defend, or pass the ball, or fight for loose balls that much. lastly, you'd think in a team sport that its most valuable player is he who actually makes others around him better.

2.66 assists for Nov,Dec,Jan. but those are offset by 3.27 turnovers-- he hurt his team.
32% usage rate and around a 10% assist rate makes for a ghastly ratio of 3:1-- this hurt his team.
8.9 rebounds not too shabby, and includes 2.7 offensive rebounds which is pretty good, although following your own shot cheapens the stat
56.8% TS is ok, efficient... but it certainly isn't proficient, and proficiency is what you want from a wingish mvp candidate who doesn't share the ball and is a turnover machine.

again, amare stoudemire never made others around him better during those several months. sportscasters and writers vote on this jayvee season award. maybe durant has it right-- these people don't know that much.

Its funny because I just have memories of what I watched and Amare and that team was so much better than anything the Knicks had had during the first two years of the Walsh/D'Antoni tenure. Also, they were competitive every night and while it may have been lame and predictable, Amare for three on the final seconds of a game after a time out was somewhat effective. I guess that team really wasn't on the cusp of something great.

no they were not on the cusp of something great but they were 28-26 and if you look at the records of the rest of eastern conference, the knicks even without amare stoudemire would have made the playoffs that year. the point being that while not on the cusp of greatness or contending they were set up to build by position of need, which was slated to be at point guard. this would have enhanced stoudemire's effectiveness. remember that felton had an audition contract of only two years, which was a clear direction that walsh wanted to take, using d'antoni style and finding an upgrade as soon as possible. that would have been the summer of 2011.

imagine a lineup with

1)an upgrade over felton-- finding lin in the summer of 2011 seems farfetched but i believe he was on walsh's radar. you never know.
2)fields (who would be the next position to upgrade)
3)gallinari
4)stoudemire
5)mozgov

that is a lineup i would have enjoyed watching!

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:funny what some people consider mvp basketball. during his "epic run" where he "put the team on his back" and "carried them to respectability" by being in "beast mode" all he did was score a lot of points. he didn't really rebound, or defend, or pass the ball, or fight for loose balls that much. lastly, you'd think in a team sport that its most valuable player is he who actually makes others around him better.

2.66 assists for Nov,Dec,Jan. but those are offset by 3.27 turnovers-- he hurt his team.
32% usage rate and around a 10% assist rate makes for a ghastly ratio of 3:1-- this hurt his team.
8.9 rebounds not too shabby, and includes 2.7 offensive rebounds which is pretty good, although following your own shot cheapens the stat
56.8% TS is ok, efficient... but it certainly isn't proficient, and proficiency is what you want from a wingish mvp candidate who doesn't share the ball and is a turnover machine.

again, amare stoudemire never made others around him better during those several months. sportscasters and writers vote on this jayvee season award. maybe durant has it right-- these people don't know that much.

Its funny because I just have memories of what I watched and Amare and that team was so much better than anything the Knicks had had during the first two years of the Walsh/D'Antoni tenure. Also, they were competitive every night and while it may have been lame and predictable, Amare for three on the final seconds of a game after a time out was somewhat effective. I guess that team really wasn't on the cusp of something great.

no they were not on the cusp of something great but they were 28-26 and if you look at the records of the rest of eastern conference, the knicks even without amare stoudemire would have made the playoffs that year. the point being that while not on the cusp of greatness or contending they were set up to build by position of need, which was slated to be at point guard. this would have enhanced stoudemire's effectiveness. remember that felton had an audition contract of only two years, which was a clear direction that walsh wanted to take, using d'antoni style and finding an upgrade as soon as possible. that would have been the summer of 2011.

imagine a lineup with

1)an upgrade over felton-- finding lin in the summer of 2011 seems farfetched but i believe he was on walsh's radar. you never know.
2)fields (who would be the next position to upgrade)
3)gallinari
4)stoudemire
5)mozgov

that is a lineup i would have enjoyed watching!

You wouldn't have seen 2/5 of it very often over the past 4 years. I am not sure if Fields fell off because of a roll change or his elbow injury but I doubt he is a starter for long. Moz took a long time to get to where he is now.

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:funny what some people consider mvp basketball. during his "epic run" where he "put the team on his back" and "carried them to respectability" by being in "beast mode" all he did was score a lot of points. he didn't really rebound, or defend, or pass the ball, or fight for loose balls that much. lastly, you'd think in a team sport that its most valuable player is he who actually makes others around him better.

2.66 assists for Nov,Dec,Jan. but those are offset by 3.27 turnovers-- he hurt his team.
32% usage rate and around a 10% assist rate makes for a ghastly ratio of 3:1-- this hurt his team.
8.9 rebounds not too shabby, and includes 2.7 offensive rebounds which is pretty good, although following your own shot cheapens the stat
56.8% TS is ok, efficient... but it certainly isn't proficient, and proficiency is what you want from a wingish mvp candidate who doesn't share the ball and is a turnover machine.

again, amare stoudemire never made others around him better during those several months. sportscasters and writers vote on this jayvee season award. maybe durant has it right-- these people don't know that much.

Its funny because I just have memories of what I watched and Amare and that team was so much better than anything the Knicks had had during the first two years of the Walsh/D'Antoni tenure. Also, they were competitive every night and while it may have been lame and predictable, Amare for three on the final seconds of a game after a time out was somewhat effective. I guess that team really wasn't on the cusp of something great.

no they were not on the cusp of something great but they were 28-26 and if you look at the records of the rest of eastern conference, the knicks even without amare stoudemire would have made the playoffs that year. the point being that while not on the cusp of greatness or contending they were set up to build by position of need, which was slated to be at point guard. this would have enhanced stoudemire's effectiveness. remember that felton had an audition contract of only two years, which was a clear direction that walsh wanted to take, using d'antoni style and finding an upgrade as soon as possible. that would have been the summer of 2011.

imagine a lineup with

1)an upgrade over felton-- finding lin in the summer of 2011 seems farfetched but i believe he was on walsh's radar. you never know.
2)fields (who would be the next position to upgrade)
3)gallinari
4)stoudemire
5)mozgov

that is a lineup i would have enjoyed watching!

You wouldn't have seen 2/5 of it very often over the past 4 years. I am not sure if Fields fell off because of a roll change or his elbow injury but I doubt he is a starter for long. Moz took a long time to get to where he is now.

what player would not benefit from a superior pick and roll point guard? d'antoni had chris duhon his first two years and then felton. duhon was barely adequate as a bench player with lets face it a non-nba level of size and athleticism but at least was okay as an orchestrator, while felton was also not starting-caliber material no matter how hard people try to make him that.

and while i am a fan of the kid lawson in denver, he too was not much of a pick and roll player. and now in cleveland? kyrie also not a pick and roll artist.

fields was doing just fine improvising with d'antoni, doing a bunch of good things along the baseline and doing a great job rebounding and moving the ball.

that would have been a nice young team that was building towards something.

amare has been a total professional throughout his tenure in new york. he's faced many injuries but has come back from every one of them to date to produce efficiently while on the court. I wish him and his family the best as he starts the last chapter of is playing career. I'm hoping he returns to Phoenix to recall his younger days and help that young team have some playoff success.

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:funny what some people consider mvp basketball. during his "epic run" where he "put the team on his back" and "carried them to respectability" by being in "beast mode" all he did was score a lot of points. he didn't really rebound, or defend, or pass the ball, or fight for loose balls that much. lastly, you'd think in a team sport that its most valuable player is he who actually makes others around him better.

2.66 assists for Nov,Dec,Jan. but those are offset by 3.27 turnovers-- he hurt his team.
32% usage rate and around a 10% assist rate makes for a ghastly ratio of 3:1-- this hurt his team.
8.9 rebounds not too shabby, and includes 2.7 offensive rebounds which is pretty good, although following your own shot cheapens the stat
56.8% TS is ok, efficient... but it certainly isn't proficient, and proficiency is what you want from a wingish mvp candidate who doesn't share the ball and is a turnover machine.

again, amare stoudemire never made others around him better during those several months. sportscasters and writers vote on this jayvee season award. maybe durant has it right-- these people don't know that much.

Its funny because I just have memories of what I watched and Amare and that team was so much better than anything the Knicks had had during the first two years of the Walsh/D'Antoni tenure. Also, they were competitive every night and while it may have been lame and predictable, Amare for three on the final seconds of a game after a time out was somewhat effective. I guess that team really wasn't on the cusp of something great.

no they were not on the cusp of something great but they were 28-26 and if you look at the records of the rest of eastern conference, the knicks even without amare stoudemire would have made the playoffs that year. the point being that while not on the cusp of greatness or contending they were set up to build by position of need, which was slated to be at point guard. this would have enhanced stoudemire's effectiveness. remember that felton had an audition contract of only two years, which was a clear direction that walsh wanted to take, using d'antoni style and finding an upgrade as soon as possible. that would have been the summer of 2011.

imagine a lineup with

1)an upgrade over felton-- finding lin in the summer of 2011 seems farfetched but i believe he was on walsh's radar. you never know.
2)fields (who would be the next position to upgrade)
3)gallinari
4)stoudemire
5)mozgov

that is a lineup i would have enjoyed watching!

You wouldn't have seen 2/5 of it very often over the past 4 years. I am not sure if Fields fell off because of a roll change or his elbow injury but I doubt he is a starter for long. Moz took a long time to get to where he is now.

what player would not benefit from a superior pick and roll point guard? d'antoni had chris duhon his first two years and then felton. duhon was barely adequate as a bench player with lets face it a non-nba level of size and athleticism but at least was okay as an orchestrator, while felton was also not starting-caliber material no matter how hard people try to make him that.

and while i am a fan of the kid lawson in denver, he too was not much of a pick and roll player. and now in cleveland? kyrie also not a pick and roll artist.

fields was doing just fine improvising with d'antoni, doing a bunch of good things along the baseline and doing a great job rebounding and moving the ball.

that would have been a nice young team that was building towards something.

Fields had a bit of a run but he is barely an nba player at this point. D'Antoni could have gotten a point in the Hill draft. I think he was staying away from younger guys (i.e. Holiday) or talented guys that needed mentoring (i.e. Jennings).

Amare was a good idea until it wasn't!
Great guy, and would have been amazing to have him instead of MCDyess!!!!!
Denver still reels over passing him twice!!! SKITA!!!!!!!

I will pass on commenting and just shoot instead

The Amare / Melo pairing will be remembered in the same light of discord as Spencer Haywood and Bob McAdoo.

I appreciated Amare calling others out for not playing defense this year. That was hysterical. What a stand up guy.

SwishAndDish13 wrote:I appreciated Amare calling others out for not playing defense this year. That was hysterical. What a stand up guy.

I can't quite decide who talked a bigger game and delivered less, him or Ewing. And then thinking about your post, and thinking back to Ewing actually delivering - I'd say Amar'e!