Knicks · Febuary 16th mock draft update(coming into the home stretch) (page 1)

March 1 2015
1 Karl Towns PF/ C 6-11 250
2 Jahill Okafor 6-10 270
3 Deangelo Russell 6-4 185
4 Justice Winslow SF 6-7 230
5 Mario Hezonja SG 6-8 210
6 Emmanuel Mudiay PG 6-5
7 Kristaps Porzingis F 7-1 215
8 Kris Dunn PG 6-3 210
9 Willie Cauley Stein C 7-0 245
11 Frank Kaminsky PF/C 7-0 240
12 Bobby Portis 6-10 240
13 Stanley Johnson F 6-7 245
14 Devin Booker SG 6-6 210
15 Trey Lyles PF 6-10 250
16 Christian Wood 6-11 220
17 Myles Turner PF 6-11 245
18 Troy Williams SF 6-7 215
19 Kelly Oubre SG 6-7 200
20 Olivier Hanlan PG 6-4 195
21 Tyus Jones PG 6-1 190
22 Montrezl Harrell PF 6-8 240
23 Jarell Matin 6-9 240 PF
24 Jerian Grant PG 6-5 200
25 Gary Payton JR PG 6-3 190
26 Delon Wright PG 6-5 180
27 Kevin Looney PF 6-9 225
28 Sam Decker F 6-9 230
29 Dez Wells SG 6-4 225
30 Rakeem Christmas PF/C 6-9 245

Round # 2
31 Robert Upshaw C 7-1 260
32 Keifer Sykes PG 5-11 190
33 Zeek Woodley SG 6-2 210
34 Dakari Johnson C 7-0 260
35 Josh Richardson Sg/PG 6-5 200
36 Larry Nance JR PF 6-8 240
37 A J Hammonds 7-0 275
38 Derrick Marks 6-3 200 G
39 Ryan Boatright PG 5-10 180
40 Tyrone Wallace G 6-5 200
41 Michale Gbinjie PG/SG 6-7 200
42 Tyler Harvey PG 6-4 190
43 Rondae Jefferson SF 6-7 220
44 Michael Qualls SG 6-5 200
45 Yannick Morriera 6-11 220 F/C
46 Markus Kennedy PF 6-9 250
47 Andrew Harrison PG/SG 6-6 215
48 Ravonte Rice SG 6-4 220
49 Terry Rozier F 6-1 200
50 Norman Powell SG 6-5 220
51 Buddy Hield SG 6-4 215
52 LaDontae Henton SG 6-6 215
53 Denzel Livingston PG/SG 6-4 185
54 Tayshaun Thomas PF 6-8 240
55 Darrun Hiiliard SG 6-6 215 SG
56 Seth Tuttle PF 6-8 240
57 Tyler Haws SG 6-5 200
58 Shawn Long PG 6-9 260
59 Jamaal Warney PF 6-9 260
60 Pat Connaughton SG 6-5 220

I agree with the Gbinije write up. He impressed me against duke.... dukes guards are really good too and he was highly successful going up against them

EnySpree wrote:I agree with the Gbinije write up. He impressed me against duke.... dukes guards are really good too and he was highly successful going up against them

He was actually a Duke transfer so thank you Duke cause he's been pretty damn good for us. I thought I heard that he was coming back next year but not sure?

newyorker4ever wrote:

EnySpree wrote:I agree with the Gbinije write up. He impressed me against duke.... dukes guards are really good too and he was highly successful going up against them

He was actually a Duke transfer so thank you Duke cause he's been pretty damn good for us. I thought I heard that he was coming back next year but not sure?

I think he may be a first round pick. ive been doing this all year and hes the first 6-7 player with elite type athleticism that I have found who can play both the PG and SG positions and has all the skills. I dont think hes anything more than pick 25 but for our style of play he's interesting and fills a need with the talent nonetheless.

Draft Express have their analysis vid of Mudiay's stint in the cba:

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Emma...

Well, I wonder, if we land the top pick but Phil likes a player just below us, do we trade out and try to get a mid to late first in addition? We need talent.
Long ways from the draft and perhaps by then we will want that #1 pick to keep or whatever we end up with.

College teams have 6 or so games left, plus the division tournament and then the big one.
Not a whole lot of time left in the regular season.

smackeddog wrote:Draft Express have their analysis vid of Mudiay's stint in the cba:

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Emma...

Im not enamored with Mudiay. What does he bring to the team running a triangle offense? Hes a PG who doesnt shoot it well--he has over rated athleticism--I mean hes not the next Kobe MJ Dominique etc.. In fact I think Michael Gbinije @ 6-7 would be a better PG in this system and he could probably be had for the 34th pick or something We need to draft big players --we have none. Guys who played in the backcourt in Chicago and LA were all 2nd round picks or low 1's and or NBA retreads. Mudiay is NOT an answer at SG.
If we dont get Towns Russell or Okafor--Id be looking at trading for a combination of players such as Christian Wood Bobby Portis Stein Gbinjie Porzingis Turner etc Id look to see if I could do a 3-1 deal where the combination of talent far exceeds the 1 player above.

Some of these bigs may push Stanley Johnson down a bit but I think he's a top 5 talent and doesnt get to show it all where he's playing. He could be Jamison on offense and Artest on defense.

Also Im not taking Towns before Russell. He may be better, but he's not now, and I straight up am terrified to draft a bust, and Towns maybe be great but he may also be a bust. We have never seen Towns play at a sustained high level for 30mpg for any stretch. Russell is a skilled beast. He's business like in how he simply beats you. Very Steph Curry/Reggie Miller like. He's got such a quick release on that jumper. Sometimes it looks like he's not shooting at all, rather just tossing a dart.

BRIGGS wrote:

smackeddog wrote:Draft Express have their analysis vid of Mudiay's stint in the cba:

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Emma...

Im not enamored with Mudiay. What does he bring to the team running a triangle offense? Hes a PG who doesnt shoot it well--he has over rated athleticism--I mean hes not the next Kobe MJ Dominique etc.. In fact I think Michael Gbinije @ 6-7 would be a better PG in this system and he could probably be had for the 34th pick or something We need to draft big players --we have none. Guys who played in the backcourt in Chicago and LA were all 2nd round picks or low 1's and or NBA retreads. Mudiay is NOT an answer at SG.
If we dont get Towns Russell or Okafor--Id be looking at trading for a combination of players such as Christian Wood Bobby Portis Stein Gbinjie Porzingis Turner etc Id look to see if I could do a 3-1 deal where the combination of talent far exceeds the 1 player above.

its funny... I was just watching his highlights. EVERY one seems to be of him in the open court slashing and dunking. I mean this is the same league where Marbury was MVP, Beasley = Bernard King and guys like Von Wafer are elite scorers.

fishmike wrote:Some of these bigs may push Stanley Johnson down a bit but I think he's a top 5 talent and doesnt get to show it all where he's playing. He could be Jamison on offense and Artest on defense.

Also Im not taking Towns before Russell. He may be better, but he's not now, and I straight up am terrified to draft a bust, and Towns maybe be great but he may also be a bust. We have never seen Towns play at a sustained high level for 30mpg for any stretch. Russell is a skilled beast. He's business like in how he simply beats you. Very Steph Curry/Reggie Miller like. He's got such a quick release on that jumper. Sometimes it looks like he's not shooting at all, rather just tossing a dart.

Im pretty positive that Towns and Okafor will go 1-2 Im not sure who will go #1. Im not interested in Johnson for this team with all of those bigs out there. You have combination scorers shot blckers and bounders in one package--I cant see us not going for a SF with 23mm going to Anthony at the same position.

Towns won't be a bust. He shares time and spotlight with Stein who is his senior and himself trying to get drafted in the 1st round.

gunsnewing wrote:Towns won't be a bust. He shares time and spotlight with Stein who is his senior and himself trying to get drafted in the 1st round.

how can you say that? Dude never plays more than 20ish minute and if you watch him he gets gassed very easily. He's also got suspect hands. It didnt kill Ewing's career obviousl but it certainly hurt him.

I mean Town's skill set should be dominating. That team is obviously very good, but much of that is 1) defense and 2) no other team in the country can match their size.

How long before you think Towns can play starter minutes in the NBA?

BRIGGS wrote:

fishmike wrote:Some of these bigs may push Stanley Johnson down a bit but I think he's a top 5 talent and doesnt get to show it all where he's playing. He could be Jamison on offense and Artest on defense.

Also Im not taking Towns before Russell. He may be better, but he's not now, and I straight up am terrified to draft a bust, and Towns maybe be great but he may also be a bust. We have never seen Towns play at a sustained high level for 30mpg for any stretch. Russell is a skilled beast. He's business like in how he simply beats you. Very Steph Curry/Reggie Miller like. He's got such a quick release on that jumper. Sometimes it looks like he's not shooting at all, rather just tossing a dart.

Im pretty positive that Towns and Okafor will go 1-2 Im not sure who will go #1. Im not interested in Johnson for this team with all of those bigs out there. You have combination scorers shot blckers and bounders in one package--I cant see us not going for a SF with 23mm going to Anthony at the same position.

we wont take Johnson. I get that were arent using our one high pick on a guy who plays the same spot as Melo. I get that. But watch.. in 5-8 years he will be one of the best from this draft.

fishmike wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Towns won't be a bust. He shares time and spotlight with Stein who is his senior and himself trying to get drafted in the 1st round.

how can you say that? Dude never plays more than 20ish minute and if you watch him he gets gassed very easily. He's also got suspect hands. It didnt kill Ewing's career obviousl but it certainly hurt him.

I mean Town's skill set should be dominating. That team is obviously very good, but much of that is 1) defense and 2) no other team in the country can match their size.

How long before you think Towns can play starter minutes in the NBA?

2yrs. He will give us a strong 25mins as a 19-20yr old. With his skills I don't see why he wont average 30+ minutes in year 2

fishmike wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Towns won't be a bust. He shares time and spotlight with Stein who is his senior and himself trying to get drafted in the 1st round.

how can you say that? Dude never plays more than 20ish minute and if you watch him he gets gassed very easily. He's also got suspect hands. It didnt kill Ewing's career obviousl but it certainly hurt him.

I mean Town's skill set should be dominating. That team is obviously very good, but much of that is 1) defense and 2) no other team in the country can match their size.

How long before you think Towns can play starter minutes in the NBA?

It's a risk, but maybe if we look on it as a Towns and Monroe package it reduces the risk and pressure a little.

gunsnewing wrote:

fishmike wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Towns won't be a bust. He shares time and spotlight with Stein who is his senior and himself trying to get drafted in the 1st round.

how can you say that? Dude never plays more than 20ish minute and if you watch him he gets gassed very easily. He's also got suspect hands. It didnt kill Ewing's career obviousl but it certainly hurt him.

I mean Town's skill set should be dominating. That team is obviously very good, but much of that is 1) defense and 2) no other team in the country can match their size.

How long before you think Towns can play starter minutes in the NBA?

2yrs. He will give us a strong 25mins as a 19-20yr old. With his skills I don't see why he wont average 30+ minutes in year 2

because skills arent my worry. Skills are off the charts. I worry about his ability to stay on the floor. He hasnt proven or shown that. In fact when he plays for longer stretches I see him float and get winded.

Im not saying he WILL be a bust, but if you look at the history of bigs but cant deny there is bust potential there.

I see Russell as upside: Reggie Miller/Steph Curry. Downside: Jamal Crawford
I see Towns as upside: Ewing. Downside? Out of the league.

He is not winded. He splits time Steins & Dakari. Kentucky talent up front if off the charts. There is a reason they are undefeated and its not their awfully inefficient wing players. It's the defense and dominance inside.

Whereas Ok4 is a one man show up front

gunsnewing wrote:He is not winded. He splits time Steins & Dakari. Kentucky talent up front if off the charts. There is a reason they are undefeated and its not their awfully inefficient wing players. It's the defense and dominance inside.

Whereas Ok4 is a one man show up front

so when he's tugging at his shorts with his hands on his knees sucking gas he's not winded? Im telling you what I see. If you have never seen Towns sucking wind and getting balls swatted out of his hands by NCAA guards you havent watched him very much. Is this your new Shump? Im not sensing much objectivity here, only defense

I never noticed him tugging on his shorts but if he did then you have a very good eye

Even if he is struggling with his minutes he is only 19 and a year removed from high school ball. I don't see it being an issue in his mid 20's

gunsnewing wrote:I never noticed him tugging on his shorts but if he did then you have a very good eye

Even if he is struggling with his minutes he is only 19 and a year removed from high school ball. I don't see it being an issue in his mid 20's

when do you have more energy than 19?

Your missing the point though. He's never displayed the ability to do what we want. Play starter minutes and display a high caliber game for any stretch. YES, some of that is Calipari's rotations. YES some of that is he's got upper classmen ahead of him in the rotation. All Im saying is he's an incomplete book. Sometimes those unwritten chapters are happy. Othertimes they have pictures of Greg Oden and Hashemm Thabeet

Fair enough. Anything is possible. I'm just glad we finally have a shot at a top 4 pick