Knicks · WHO would you say are top 10 leaders in the NBA Today (page 1)

I'm talking guys that can lead their team on and off the court in a very impact full way.

1) LBJ
2) cp3
3) duncan
4) rondo
5) kobe

Why is there such a shortage, or has it been like that and I'm only now noticing it

knicks1248 wrote:I'm talking guys that can lead their team on and off the court in a very impact full way.

1) LBJ
2) cp3
3) duncan
4) rondo
5) kobe

Why is there such a shortage, or has it been like that and I'm only now noticing it

Rondo is terrible. Kobe's done. Who's the leader on the Warriors and Hawks? You need a team of guys who play well together

BRIGGS wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:I'm talking guys that can lead their team on and off the court in a very impact full way.

1) LBJ
2) cp3
3) duncan
4) rondo
5) kobe

Why is there such a shortage, or has it been like that and I'm only now noticing it

Rondo is terrible. Kobe's done. Who's the leader on the Warriors and Hawks? You need a team of guys who play well together

But the teams that end up in the finals have strong leadership, think about it..

Leadership is not statistics

Not just a list, 15 reasons why these guys lead the way for their respective teams, small market players can be leaders

LBJ, player coach in the mold of Bill Russell, role model off the court
Garnett, when he speaks, people listen, intensity that sets a tone
Parker, for his temperament and poise under duress of a demanding head coach
Steph Curry, quiet swag that his running buddies feed off, All American image
John Wall, competes from the moment he steps on the court, learning to open up

Duncan, which makes the Spurs formidable, quite storm
James Harden, a coach on the floor, jazzy wardrobe off the court
Damian Lillard, clutch, would be a media star in New York
Teague, directs the show, essential to the Hawks mix
Russ Westbrook, it is his team, fashion diva

Kemba Walker, on the rise, Charlotte keeps it quiet off the court
Derrick Rose, tragic knees but still a leader
Kyle Lowry, Toronto thriving with him at the controls
Kevin Love, solid on and off the court, sacrifice is leadership
Tim Mozgov, quiet on the court, leadership is not always flamboyant

Rondo? Dude just got benched last nite for changing a play called by coach.

KG while not physically able to carry anymore is a force. He carries a lot of clout and Minny just empowered him as defacto head of the Wolves.

Rondo was never a leader on that team, he might have been its ball handler and QB, but not its leader.
As long as Kobe is dressed and on the bench he is the alpha member of the team.
Willis was the leader of the knicks although clyde was their best player. Might say the same with Duncan/Parker for now.

This is so dumb.

If you need a fellow peer to tell you what to do or motivate you, then you are mentally weak.

Besides...unless you are in the locker room, how do you know who is "leader" or not?

Superficial

Swishfm3 wrote:This is so dumb.

If you need a fellow peer to tell you what to do or motivate you, then you are mentally weak.

Besides...unless you are in the locker room, how do you know who is "leader" or not?

Excellent point about the locker room.

Swishfm3 wrote:This is so dumb.

If you need a fellow peer to tell you what to do or motivate you, then you are mentally weak.

Besides...unless you are in the locker room, how do you know who is "leader" or not?

whats so dumb about it, every team needs a leader.

Obviously you have no idea what that is

I would add Noah to that list.

knicks1248 wrote:I'm talking guys that can lead their team on and off the court in a very impact full way.

1) LBJ
2) cp3
3) duncan
4) rondo
5) kobe

Why is there such a shortage, or has it been like that and I'm only now noticing it

When I saw this I immediately thought back to 90's Knick's teams lead by Patrick. As much as I loved Patrick I think this was one of his shortcomings as a player. He always gave his all on the court but came up short when it came to being the vocal out front leader.
That being said gotta remove Rondo from this list for obvious reasons. I think the NBA is a bit of transition on terms who the out front leaders are. Maybe there will be a breakout young player once the playoffs begin.

People confuse leadership with who is scoring the points or passing the ball...I really don't see LeBron as a leader...Wade was more the critical foundation than LeBron was in Miami..Is there any doubt that Popovich is the leader in SA...Riley with the old Knicks??..Phil with the Lakers and MJ had more gravitas than Phil in Chicago...LB with the Pistons...Magic was a leader but not to Kareem who didn't need leadership...Kareem was an entity on to himself and Magic respected that..It's such a vague term and concept..I think it's overused, misused and overblown...

knicks1248 wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:This is so dumb.

If you need a fellow peer to tell you what to do or motivate you, then you are mentally weak.

Besides...unless you are in the locker room, how do you know who is "leader" or not?

whats so dumb about it, every team needs a leader.

Obviously you have no idea what that is

I am also confused about the need for this on-court leadership versus self-leadership or taking leadership from the coaching staff, but I haven't played organized team sports. Maybe someone who has who believes in this need for player-leaders can enlighten me about what this means?

Was Dennis Rodman a leader? He was a maniac on defense and a good soldier and lead by example with his D, but would he be considered a leader under the criteria discussed?

this was posted in a different thread here...

http://offthedribble.blogs.nytimes.com/2...

some guys are followers -- you put them around the wrong folks and things go bad. you have guys who you dont want to let down (maybe fear, maybe cuz you respect them, maybe more).

This is really a subjective topic. Everybody has their own definition of leadership on and off the court.

During our 54 win season, you could say Jason Kidd was our leader. But really all of the vets we picked up was a leader of some sort. Billups, Kurt Thomas, Sheed, etc.....

DrAlphaeus wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:This is so dumb.

If you need a fellow peer to tell you what to do or motivate you, then you are mentally weak.

Besides...unless you are in the locker room, how do you know who is "leader" or not?

whats so dumb about it, every team needs a leader.

Obviously you have no idea what that is

I am also confused about the need for this on-court leadership versus self-leadership or taking leadership from the coaching staff, but I haven't played organized team sports. Maybe someone who has who believes in this need for player-leaders can enlighten me about what this means?

Was Dennis Rodman a leader? He was a maniac on defense and a good soldier and lead by example with his D, but would he be considered a leader under the criteria discussed?

Of course.....Some lead by example. So to stick to this thread, Rodman was a leader on the court.....A terrible leader for his teammates off the court (just my guess based on his wedding dress...lol).

BUT....Rodman was probably a leader for kids in his community, with goals of playing in the NBA.

Your definition of leadership may be different from everybody else.

I played organized sports and I was considered one of the leaders. I led by example on the court, through pure effort. I led by example off the court, through daily workouts and nutrition and preparation before games.....mentally and physically. What this does is it creates a culture and a following of other leaders....And the result was multiple championships. So yes, I see Rodman as a leader. But be careful, everybody may not see it that way.

misterearl posted this in another thread that got me thinking

"seeing my teammates succeed is someting I care about more than anything."
- Lebron James, (after breaking the record for assists by a forward)

thats leadership

The One and Only Answerman, doing the full ex-Knick Monty:

Tim Mozgov, quiet on the court, leadership is not always flamboyant

Moz is now a top 10 NBA leader now. Which makes me reflect...

Danilo Gallonari, snappy dresser, leads by quiet, injured example. Really nice shoes, without being ostentatious!
Nate Robinson, intensive internal fires, leads by example, stature and amassed Priceline travel points.
Channing Frye, a quiet force, a leader's stature, plus, he's tall with long arms, and ears that allow that instant locker room humor.
Jamal Crawford, veteran leader/teacher, "this is how you shoot the ball..."
Nazr Muhammed, some times, knowing when to do as little as possible in a large body is a true sign of lockeroom leadership and camaraderie...

knicks1248 wrote:I'm talking guys that can lead their team on and off the court in a very impact full way.

1) LBJ
2) cp3
3) duncan
4) rondo
5) kobe

Why is there such a shortage, or has it been like that and I'm only now noticing it

Steph Curry, John Wall!