Knicks · Joel Embiid going through drills 2 weeks ago (page 1)

Looks much heavier than college

BRIGGS wrote:

Looks much heavier than college

He looks terrible in every way on that vid, though to be fair he has been out a long time. Very low intensity work out though- may be due to being winded from lack of conditioning. Compare and contrast!:

smackeddog wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Looks much heavier than college

He looks terrible in every way on that vid, though to be fair he has been out a long time. Very low intensity work out though- may be due to being winded from lack of conditioning. Compare and contrast!:

He does look bad but that is scary. Also 7 footers with foot/back issues who put on weight that easy? RISK His 3 pt shot looked a lot better than his 6 footers?

Heard on ESPN that the Sixers were trying to trade Embiid for a pick(s)in this year's draft.

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GustavBahler wrote:Heard on ESPN that the Sixers were trying to trade Embiid for a pick(s)in this year's draft.

Would this then put them in the running for a big man in this year's draft? With Noel being such a good shot blocker, OK4 would be a nice fit for them if they want to get rid of Embiid and try another big man.

They already have multiple picks, but with the way give up on players and move folks around, the more the merrier, I suppose.

Say we slide to the 4th pick and missed out on Okafor, Towns and Russell. Would you be willing to deal pick 4 to the Sixers for Embiid? I might, man. I'd have to really think about that...Would the Sixers be willing to do that? I don't know what they think they could get for Embiid -- I doubt anyone would trade a top 3 pick for him, but for pick 4 or lower is he more worth the risk? There's no doubt there's a lot of risk here -- nobody really knows how a 7' 250 man will heal from the foot injury he had. There's not a lot of data out there on this injury...Interesting for us though--do we take a shot and deal off pick 4 for this kid if we find ourselves in that position? Maybe for Embiid + another lower asset (Robert Covington, Jerami Grant, one of their other lower picks, etc.--I might require a little something extra in order to assume that amount of risk)? I mean can you imagine we pulled off a deal like that and he made a full recovery? If he fully recovers, he's better than Okafor, Towns or anyone else in this draft imo. Embiid's got youth on his side--he's only 20 years old. It's hard to believe that his career's over before it's even begun because he broke his foot...Interesting scenario for us at pick 4 or later. Cross that bridge if/when we come to it I guess..

BRIGGS wrote:

Looks much heavier than college

Yeah, but I have to say the rumors about his conditioning appear to be overstated. Sources were making him out to be Eddy Curry. Embiid's conditioning looks in line with a guy who just recovered from a foot injury.

Imagine this scenario:

Say we get pick 1 and the Lakers get pick 4. Suppose the Lakers want to trade up for the 1st pick and offer pick 4 + either Jordan Clarkson (has played well recently against some of the top NBA PGs--Irving, Wall) or pick 26 (owed to them by the Rockets).

Then we agree to flip pick 4 to the Sixers for Joel Embiid + Robert Covington or Jeriam Grant + pick 33.

Thought process -- The top part of this draft isn't lights out like in past years. I don't see that clear cut #1 guy. The consensus top 3 guys should all be good players but may never be great.. If there ever was a draft to possibly trade down from the top pick, this one might be it...Phil has a relationship with Jeanie Buss so you know there will be lots of dialogue between the two leading up to and on draft night. Suppose we could turn pick 1 into pick 4 + an asset from the Lakers (Clarkson or a guy like Delon Wright we get at 26) and then we flip pick 4 for Joel Embiid + Covington or Grant and Rakeem Christmas at 33. There's some risk with Embiid but that's nice value back for pick 1. Make any sense or is it too risky??

Finestrg wrote:Imagine this scenario:

Say we get pick 1 and the Lakers get pick 4. Suppose the Lakers want to trade up for the 1st pick and offer pick 4 + either Jordan Clarkson (has played well recently against some of the top NBA PGs--Irving, Wall) or pick 26 (owed to them by the Rockets).

Then we agree to flip pick 4 to the Sixers for Joel Embiid + Robert Covington or Jeriam Grant + pick 33.

Thought process -- The top part of this draft isn't lights out like in past years. I don't see that clear cut #1 guy. The consensus top 3 guys should all be good players but may never be great.. If there ever was a draft to possibly trade down from the top pick, this one might be it...Phil has a relationship with Jeanie Buss so you know there will be lots of dialogue between the two leading up to and on draft night. Suppose we could turn pick 1 into pick 4 + an asset from the Lakers (Clarkson or a guy like Delon Wright we get at 26) and then we flip pick 4 for Joel Embiid + Covington/Grant and Rakeem Christmas we take at 33. There's some risk with Embiid but that's nice value back for pick 1. Make any sense or is it too risky??

Again we arent allowed to trade our pick. We are in great position so why screw with it. I know Embiid has talent but any player who is said t have conditioning issues is a big red flag for me. How about we draft one of Okafor Towns or Russell and then focus on free agency

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Finestrg wrote:Imagine this scenario:

Say we get pick 1 and the Lakers get pick 4. Suppose the Lakers want to trade up for the 1st pick and offer pick 4 + either Jordan Clarkson (has played well recently against some of the top NBA PGs--Irving, Wall) or pick 26 (owed to them by the Rockets).

Then we agree to flip pick 4 to the Sixers for Joel Embiid + Robert Covington or Jeriam Grant + pick 33.

Thought process -- The top part of this draft isn't lights out like in past years. I don't see that clear cut #1 guy. The consensus top 3 guys should all be good players but may never be great.. If there ever was a draft to possibly trade down from the top pick, this one might be it...Phil has a relationship with Jeanie Buss so you know there will be lots of dialogue between the two leading up to and on draft night. Suppose we could turn pick 1 into pick 4 + an asset from the Lakers (Clarkson or a guy like Delon Wright we get at 26) and then we flip pick 4 for Joel Embiid + Covington/Grant and Rakeem Christmas we take at 33. There's some risk with Embiid but that's nice value back for pick 1. Make any sense or is it too risky??

Again we arent allowed to trade our pick. We are in great position so why screw with it. I know Embiid has talent but any player who is said t have conditioning issues is a big red flag for me. How about we draft one of Okafor Towns or Russell and then focus on free agency

Just thinking of ways to maximize value. I think we could get around not trading pick for pick too --we make the pick 1 selection for the Lakers then agree to trade it afterward. Embiid not being in top shape after the injury he had is understandable to a degree. If the foot heals properly, there's no question he could get back to top form physically and skill-wise as well.

WaltLongmire wrote:.

GustavBahler wrote:Heard on ESPN that the Sixers were trying to trade Embiid for a pick(s)in this year's draft.

Would this then put them in the running for a big man in this year's draft? With Noel being such a good shot blocker, OK4 would be a nice fit for them if they want to get rid of Embiid and try another big man.

They already have multiple picks, but with the way give up on players and move folks around, the more the merrier, I suppose.

Hard to say, they traded Michael Carter Williams, so they might also be looking for a PG, or just go with the best player available.

Finestrg wrote:Say we slide to the 4th pick and missed out on Okafor, Towns and Russell. Would you be willing to deal pick 4 to the Sixers for Embiid? I might, man. I'd have to really think about that...Would the Sixers be willing to do that? I don't know what they think they could get for Embiid -- I doubt anyone would trade a top 3 pick for him, but for pick 4 or lower is he more worth the risk? There's no doubt there's a lot of risk here -- nobody really knows how a 7' 250 man will heal from the foot injury he had. There's not a lot of data out there on this injury...Interesting for us though--do we take a shot and deal off pick 4 for this kid if we find ourselves in that position? Maybe for Embiid + another lower asset (Robert Covington, Jerami Grant, one of their other lower picks, etc.--I might require a little something extra in order to assume that amount of risk)? I mean can you imagine we pulled off a deal like that and he made a full recovery? If he fully recovers, he's better than Okafor, Towns or anyone else in this draft imo. Embiid's got youth on his side--he's only 20 years old. It's hard to believe that his career's over before it's even begun because he broke his foot...Interesting scenario for us at pick 4 or later. Cross that bridge if/when we come to it I guess..

That point is exactly why I pursue the deal. If we got the ever elusive top 3 pick, I'd immediately try to package it and Hardaway for Embiid, the Sixers 15th-ish pick (via MIA), a future 2nd rounder and a pick swap that can be made in 2016 for the Lakers' pick. The supplemental value to Embiid in that kind of package would offset the inherent risk involved in acquiring him.

NardDogNation wrote:

Finestrg wrote:Say we slide to the 4th pick and missed out on Okafor, Towns and Russell. Would you be willing to deal pick 4 to the Sixers for Embiid? I might, man. I'd have to really think about that...Would the Sixers be willing to do that? I don't know what they think they could get for Embiid -- I doubt anyone would trade a top 3 pick for him, but for pick 4 or lower is he more worth the risk? There's no doubt there's a lot of risk here -- nobody really knows how a 7' 250 man will heal from the foot injury he had. There's not a lot of data out there on this injury...Interesting for us though--do we take a shot and deal off pick 4 for this kid if we find ourselves in that position? Maybe for Embiid + another lower asset (Robert Covington, Jerami Grant, one of their other lower picks, etc.--I might require a little something extra in order to assume that amount of risk)? I mean can you imagine we pulled off a deal like that and he made a full recovery? If he fully recovers, he's better than Okafor, Towns or anyone else in this draft imo. Embiid's got youth on his side--he's only 20 years old. It's hard to believe that his career's over before it's even begun because he broke his foot...Interesting scenario for us at pick 4 or later. Cross that bridge if/when we come to it I guess..

That point is exactly why I pursue the deal. If we got the ever elusive top 3 pick, I'd immediately try to package it and Hardaway for Embiid, the Sixers 15th-ish pick (via MIA), a future 2nd rounder and a pick swap that can be made in 2016 for the Lakers' pick. The supplemental value to Embiid in that kind of package would offset the inherent risk involved in acquiring him.

so basically you want to trade one of okafor towns or russell along with hardaway for a mid round pick and a guy who has been injured and has conditioning issues....im sure that will make us better lol

BigDaddyG wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Looks much heavier than college

Yeah, but I have to say the rumors about his conditioning appear to be overstated. Sources were making him out to be Eddy Curry. Embiid's conditioning looks in line with a guy who just recovered from a foot injury.

+1. His both footwork and form look very impressive. His only problem is that he is not capable of consistently generating lift from his legs. All his shots were incredibly flat-footed, which resulted in him having to use more of his arms; hence him missing short so many times. Fundamentally speaking though, his structure is very sound and fluid so I'm not overly concerned about him missing those shots (especially since their trajectories were the same, which is a good sign for a jump shooter).

My concern about Embiid is a product of what goes on between the ears. His talent is obviously there; he just doesn't strike me as a guy interested in putting in the work to refine it. There is a very good chance that he is little more than Michael Olowakandi with a poor man's Dream Shake. And we you combine that with the volatility and distractions of NY, I could easily see him becoming a bust.

StarksEwing1 wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Finestrg wrote:Say we slide to the 4th pick and missed out on Okafor, Towns and Russell. Would you be willing to deal pick 4 to the Sixers for Embiid? I might, man. I'd have to really think about that...Would the Sixers be willing to do that? I don't know what they think they could get for Embiid -- I doubt anyone would trade a top 3 pick for him, but for pick 4 or lower is he more worth the risk? There's no doubt there's a lot of risk here -- nobody really knows how a 7' 250 man will heal from the foot injury he had. There's not a lot of data out there on this injury...Interesting for us though--do we take a shot and deal off pick 4 for this kid if we find ourselves in that position? Maybe for Embiid + another lower asset (Robert Covington, Jerami Grant, one of their other lower picks, etc.--I might require a little something extra in order to assume that amount of risk)? I mean can you imagine we pulled off a deal like that and he made a full recovery? If he fully recovers, he's better than Okafor, Towns or anyone else in this draft imo. Embiid's got youth on his side--he's only 20 years old. It's hard to believe that his career's over before it's even begun because he broke his foot...Interesting scenario for us at pick 4 or later. Cross that bridge if/when we come to it I guess..

That point is exactly why I pursue the deal. If we got the ever elusive top 3 pick, I'd immediately try to package it and Hardaway for Embiid, the Sixers 15th-ish pick (via MIA), a future 2nd rounder and a pick swap that can be made in 2016 for the Lakers' pick. The supplemental value to Embiid in that kind of package would offset the inherent risk involved in acquiring him.

so basically you want to trade one of okafor towns or russell along with hardaway for a mid round pick and a guy who has been injured and has conditioning issues....im sure that will make us better lol

That Lakers pick in 2016 could be a top 3 pick, if we manage to finagle a 1st from another team. That'd be a huge coup in our favor as it would effectively allow us to add 3 lottery picks and a quasi late first rounder for our pick.

NardDogNation wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Finestrg wrote:Say we slide to the 4th pick and missed out on Okafor, Towns and Russell. Would you be willing to deal pick 4 to the Sixers for Embiid? I might, man. I'd have to really think about that...Would the Sixers be willing to do that? I don't know what they think they could get for Embiid -- I doubt anyone would trade a top 3 pick for him, but for pick 4 or lower is he more worth the risk? There's no doubt there's a lot of risk here -- nobody really knows how a 7' 250 man will heal from the foot injury he had. There's not a lot of data out there on this injury...Interesting for us though--do we take a shot and deal off pick 4 for this kid if we find ourselves in that position? Maybe for Embiid + another lower asset (Robert Covington, Jerami Grant, one of their other lower picks, etc.--I might require a little something extra in order to assume that amount of risk)? I mean can you imagine we pulled off a deal like that and he made a full recovery? If he fully recovers, he's better than Okafor, Towns or anyone else in this draft imo. Embiid's got youth on his side--he's only 20 years old. It's hard to believe that his career's over before it's even begun because he broke his foot...Interesting scenario for us at pick 4 or later. Cross that bridge if/when we come to it I guess..

That point is exactly why I pursue the deal. If we got the ever elusive top 3 pick, I'd immediately try to package it and Hardaway for Embiid, the Sixers 15th-ish pick (via MIA), a future 2nd rounder and a pick swap that can be made in 2016 for the Lakers' pick. The supplemental value to Embiid in that kind of package would offset the inherent risk involved in acquiring him.

so basically you want to trade one of okafor towns or russell along with hardaway for a mid round pick and a guy who has been injured and has conditioning issues....im sure that will make us better lol

That Lakers pick in 2016 could be a top 3 pick, if we manage to finagle a 1st from another team. That'd be a huge coup in our favor as it would effectively allow us to add 3 lottery picks and a quasi late first rounder for our pick.

too risky. Dont worry about it getting okafor towns or russell will be big for us, cant wait for the draft

StarksEwing1 wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Finestrg wrote:Say we slide to the 4th pick and missed out on Okafor, Towns and Russell. Would you be willing to deal pick 4 to the Sixers for Embiid? I might, man. I'd have to really think about that...Would the Sixers be willing to do that? I don't know what they think they could get for Embiid -- I doubt anyone would trade a top 3 pick for him, but for pick 4 or lower is he more worth the risk? There's no doubt there's a lot of risk here -- nobody really knows how a 7' 250 man will heal from the foot injury he had. There's not a lot of data out there on this injury...Interesting for us though--do we take a shot and deal off pick 4 for this kid if we find ourselves in that position? Maybe for Embiid + another lower asset (Robert Covington, Jerami Grant, one of their other lower picks, etc.--I might require a little something extra in order to assume that amount of risk)? I mean can you imagine we pulled off a deal like that and he made a full recovery? If he fully recovers, he's better than Okafor, Towns or anyone else in this draft imo. Embiid's got youth on his side--he's only 20 years old. It's hard to believe that his career's over before it's even begun because he broke his foot...Interesting scenario for us at pick 4 or later. Cross that bridge if/when we come to it I guess..

That point is exactly why I pursue the deal. If we got the ever elusive top 3 pick, I'd immediately try to package it and Hardaway for Embiid, the Sixers 15th-ish pick (via MIA), a future 2nd rounder and a pick swap that can be made in 2016 for the Lakers' pick. The supplemental value to Embiid in that kind of package would offset the inherent risk involved in acquiring him.

so basically you want to trade one of okafor towns or russell along with hardaway for a mid round pick and a guy who has been injured and has conditioning issues....im sure that will make us better lol

That Lakers pick in 2016 could be a top 3 pick, if we manage to finagle a 1st from another team. That'd be a huge coup in our favor as it would effectively allow us to add 3 lottery picks and a quasi late first rounder for our pick.

too risky. Dont worry about it getting okafor towns or russell will be big for us, cant wait for the draft

It's never a good idea to put all your eggs into one basket. We've done that in the past and look where it has lead us. I feel good about Okafor's ability to succeed in NY.....but not sure about everyone else.

Short answer: I'd be willing to trade the pick (and Hardaway) for Embiid and assets.

Long form answer (if we get the 1st pick and everyone else's draft position remains static):
(1) I'd trade the no.1 overall pick and Jose Calderon to the Lakers for the 4th and 25th pick).

(2) I'd then trade that no.4 overall pick and Hardaway Jr. to Philly for Embiid, the 15th pick, the 32nd pick and the right to swap 2016 picks (if we acquire a pick)/claim Denver's pick in 2016.

(3) Trade that 25th pick (from the Lakers) and the 32nd pick (from Philly) to Cleveland for their 21st pick.

With the 15th pick, I'd take Jerani Grant and with the 21st pick, I'd take Frank Kaminsky. Rolling out the 2015-2016 season with Joel Embiid, Jerani Grant and Frank Kaminsky with the opportunity to get Denver's pick (via CLE) in the 2016 from our 2015 pick would be a success to me.

NardDogNation wrote:Short answer: I'd be willing to trade the pick (and Hardaway) for Embiid and assets.

Long form answer (if we get the 1st pick and everyone else's draft position remains static):
(1) I'd trade the no.1 overall pick and Jose Calderon to the Lakers for the 4th and 25th pick).

(2) I'd then trade that no.4 overall pick and Hardaway Jr. to Philly for Embiid, the 15th pick, the 32nd pick and the right to swap 2016 picks (if we acquire a pick)/claim Denver's pick in 2016.

(3) Trade that 25th pick (from the Lakers) and the 32nd pick (from Philly) to Cleveland for their 21st pick.

With the 15th pick, I'd take Jerani Grant and with the 21st pick, I'd take Frank Kaminsky. Rolling out the 2015-2016 season with Joel Embiid, Jerani Grant and Frank Kaminsky with the opportunity to get Denver's pick (via CLE) in the 2016 from our 2015 pick would be a success to me.

the chances of any of this happening is lower than jimmy hoffa reappearing lol. Enough with crazy trades. We will be getting a good player in the draft.