I mean they are so good at it...
But this is so obvious also...
Knicks can be in trouble...
Can we get kicked out of the lottery for tanking?
arkrud wrote:I mean they are so good at it...
But this is so obvious also...
Knicks can be in trouble...
Can we get kicked out of the lottery for tanking?
No. Silver has alluded to possible changes, but for now the Knicks are chillin like a villain.
arkrud wrote:I mean they are so good at it...
But this is so obvious also...
Knicks can be in trouble...
Can we get kicked out of the lottery for tanking?
If we were tanking on purpose, you might have a point. Too bad we are actually trying to win.
Tanking is really only an issue if you have the talent to win and mess around with things in order to lose games. Sitting players or messing with the lineup in order to lose. The Knicks are doing it the honest way. They're earning their losses. At times any team can get to this point where they have to pull the plug on a roster. It's just the way things worked out once Phil realized this wouldn't work, there was no effort to try and make some deal to bring in some savior by trading a future pick or taking on major salary. Phil just did the only right thing and tore it down this season. You can't penalize a team for trying to start over. It's just a one year tear down and then Phil will hit the FA market this summer. Now Philly is tanking on purpose over a series of seasons. Philly has had the money to actually improve the team and has chosen not to. That's the real problem. Not a one year tear down like NY is doing.
nixluva wrote:Tanking is really only an issue if you have the talent to win and mess around with things in order to lose games. Sitting players or messing with the lineup in order to lose. The Knicks are doing it the honest way. They're earning their losses. At times any team can get to this point where they have to pull the plug on a roster. It's just the way things worked out once Phil realized this wouldn't work, there was no effort to try and make some deal to bring in some savior by trading a future pick or taking on major salary. Phil just did the only right thing and tore it down this season. You can't penalize a team for trying to start over. It's just a one year tear down and then Phil will hit the FA market this summer. Now Philly is tanking on purpose over a series of seasons. Philly has had the money to actually improve the team and has chosen not to. That's the real problem. Not a one year tear down like NY is doing.
NY is is in this "problem" 15 years.... this is real problem.
This year is the start of the solution process.
We may need many years of tanking to get good. Philly is not an exception.
Building a good team in pro sport takes many seasons.
Historically the team with the worst record never wins the lottery. So even though there is no fine the team trying to tank the most rarely gets what they want. Now obviously i dont want the Knicks to go on any winning streaks but maybe ending up with teh 2nd or 3rd worst record will be better
Knicks are already being punished. I'm sure knicks TV ratings are way down
Bruh we have a decent rookie from the D league in our starting five (few clear bright spots on team, a guy who's coach is a better point guard than him, a guy who played as a 2 min reserve for okc his whole career, a guy who like Briggs said who has been waived more times than a flag on independence day and a big that should be comming off the bench.
arkrud wrote:nixluva wrote:Tanking is really only an issue if you have the talent to win and mess around with things in order to lose games. Sitting players or messing with the lineup in order to lose. The Knicks are doing it the honest way. They're earning their losses. At times any team can get to this point where they have to pull the plug on a roster. It's just the way things worked out once Phil realized this wouldn't work, there was no effort to try and make some deal to bring in some savior by trading a future pick or taking on major salary. Phil just did the only right thing and tore it down this season. You can't penalize a team for trying to start over. It's just a one year tear down and then Phil will hit the FA market this summer. Now Philly is tanking on purpose over a series of seasons. Philly has had the money to actually improve the team and has chosen not to. That's the real problem. Not a one year tear down like NY is doing.
NY is is in this "problem" 15 years.... this is real problem.
This year is the start of the solution process.
We may need many years of tanking to get good. Philly is not an exception.
Building a good team in pro sport takes many seasons.
I agree. Look at post Jordan Bulls. Took them about 5-6 years to star building the base back up and they heavily used the draft, had 5 years of high picks and it just took time.
Knicks have an opportunity to get better much faster if they can add real talent in FA. Otherwise yea.. its going to be a long haul.
fishmike wrote:arkrud wrote:nixluva wrote:Tanking is really only an issue if you have the talent to win and mess around with things in order to lose games. Sitting players or messing with the lineup in order to lose. The Knicks are doing it the honest way. They're earning their losses. At times any team can get to this point where they have to pull the plug on a roster. It's just the way things worked out once Phil realized this wouldn't work, there was no effort to try and make some deal to bring in some savior by trading a future pick or taking on major salary. Phil just did the only right thing and tore it down this season. You can't penalize a team for trying to start over. It's just a one year tear down and then Phil will hit the FA market this summer. Now Philly is tanking on purpose over a series of seasons. Philly has had the money to actually improve the team and has chosen not to. That's the real problem. Not a one year tear down like NY is doing.
NY is is in this "problem" 15 years.... this is real problem.
This year is the start of the solution process.
We may need many years of tanking to get good. Philly is not an exception.
Building a good team in pro sport takes many seasons.
I agree. Look at post Jordan Bulls. Took them about 5-6 years to star building the base back up and they heavily used the draft, had 5 years of high picks and it just took time.Knicks have an opportunity to get better much faster if they can add real talent in FA. Otherwise yea.. its going to be a long haul.
Another five year plan, eh?
blkexec wrote:arkrud wrote:I mean they are so good at it...
But this is so obvious also...
Knicks can be in trouble...
Can we get kicked out of the lottery for tanking?
If we were tanking on purpose, you might have a point. Too bad we are actually trying to win.
Exactly. We are only "tanking" via having no good players and plain old sucking. We're not actually trying to lose, it's just that our efforts are not getting it done.
BasketballJones wrote:fishmike wrote:arkrud wrote:nixluva wrote:Tanking is really only an issue if you have the talent to win and mess around with things in order to lose games. Sitting players or messing with the lineup in order to lose. The Knicks are doing it the honest way. They're earning their losses. At times any team can get to this point where they have to pull the plug on a roster. It's just the way things worked out once Phil realized this wouldn't work, there was no effort to try and make some deal to bring in some savior by trading a future pick or taking on major salary. Phil just did the only right thing and tore it down this season. You can't penalize a team for trying to start over. It's just a one year tear down and then Phil will hit the FA market this summer. Now Philly is tanking on purpose over a series of seasons. Philly has had the money to actually improve the team and has chosen not to. That's the real problem. Not a one year tear down like NY is doing.
NY is is in this "problem" 15 years.... this is real problem.
This year is the start of the solution process.
We may need many years of tanking to get good. Philly is not an exception.
Building a good team in pro sport takes many seasons.
I agree. Look at post Jordan Bulls. Took them about 5-6 years to star building the base back up and they heavily used the draft, had 5 years of high picks and it just took time.Knicks have an opportunity to get better much faster if they can add real talent in FA. Otherwise yea.. its going to be a long haul.
Another five year plan, eh?
Or will we forever be cursed by the Dolan kharma?
arkrud wrote:I mean they are so good at it...
But this is so obvious also...
Knicks can be in trouble...
Can we get kicked out of the lottery for tanking?
The Knicks aren't the problem. They tried to be good, i don't consider that tanking. Philadelphia has been trying to be bad since day 1. They even traded MCW, their only developed young player, for a future pick just because it was available. That is the problem in this league.
