Knicks · the budding blueprint for next season (page 2)

Towns, Monroe, and Danny green. Start with those 3 and build from there with smart low budget free agent signings.

C Monroe
F towns
F Anthony
G green
G Galloway
6th shved
7th bargnani or Ajinca

StarksEwing1 wrote:Its funny either we have posters who have too much hate or posters who are too optimistic that lose touch with reality.

Let me guess, you are at that nice spot right in the middle.

All good stuff and we have good flex. I also think we keep money open for '16 but me thinks draft towns or Ok4 we go after Butler.

Young enough you give him a 4 year deal with opt out after 2 to bring him up to scale. Its what Melo did and Houstan did. Lebron will do this about annually until he gets his longer term deal done.

Ok4
Bargs
Melo
Butler
Some other dude.

Or

Monroe
Bargs
Melo
Russell
Some other dude

My spidy sense thinks because we did not release Bargs we'll retain him. He is not the golden Mooby by any stretch, but its possible there is a plan to rehab him and bring him along.
His skill set just makes a lot of sense. We'll pay him and he won't kill our future.

Just a thought.

nixluva wrote:
Typical. Nothing to add but dumb ass jokes. Please go away!

You've never once said anything funny. Not once. Why is that? Because you're humorless, a bore. So go back to your program of unabated pablum production and don't mind me. I told you I'd leave you alone, but here you are poking the bear.

Splat wrote:

nixluva wrote:
Typical. Nothing to add but dumb ass jokes. Please go away!

You've never once said anything funny. Not once. Why is that? Because you're humorless, a bore. So go back to your program of unabated pablum production and don't mind me. I told you I'd leave you alone, but here you are poking the bear.

Now I can't stop picturing you as Grizzly Adams

Thanks a fucking lot!

Yeah so since this is roughly the roster that will be returning, who can we realisticlly add to this to make next year a winning season?

What Is our record again?

Pf: If we are fortunate, a first rounder who can handle the attention and weight of New York
Sf: to be determined, a key position that demands defensive chops
c : a clone of a 26 year old Marcus Camby
1 guard: an All Star calibre leader
2 guard: a 47 per cent shooter

Sixth Man: a 31 year old Carmelo Anthony on fragile knees
7: ThJr, if he can regain his confidence and learn to play basketball
8: Lou Amundson, every team needs a good story
9: a 6'8 summer league surprise with a handle, I miss Anthony Mason
10: Shved, with an opportunity to make the rotation

11: Jason Smith
12: another center

Honestly if all those guys come back, just fire Phil already. Why would you want the same bums thats leading one of the worst Knicks seasons?

Keep 5 or 6 of the cheaper bums & stick them in slots 9-15, then never talk about them again.

We need new players to fill the top 7 slots that are gonna actually play.

Phil better get to work doing some creative maneuvering to make that happen.

I want to hear about the guys that are gonna play, not sit at the end of the bench.

Bargs and Melo starting togother?
Thjr still on this team?
Larkin and Lou 2nd string?
That team aint gonna pull more than twenty wins next season.

knickscity wrote:Honestly if all those guys come back, just fire Phil already. Why would you want the same bums thats leading one of the worst Knicks seasons?

Cuz they are under contract.

I only added bargs, shved and lou because they are positively contributing.....

I didn't include wear, alrich, Jason smith, acy, lance thomas or Calderón...if Phil brought any of those guys back then Phil should be fired.

TPercy wrote:Bargs and Melo starting togother?
Thjr still on this team?
Larkin and Lou 2nd string?
That team aint gonna pull more than twenty wins next season.

Did you notice there are 7 slots missing?

We should be able to fill 7 slots with players that push guys out of the rotation

nixluva wrote:Gotta agree EnySpree. The Draft is going to really be pivotal. If we can get one of those top picks it really boosts our process for rebuilding. The C spot and 2nd guard spot are really where this roster will get a boost, but also we'll need another scorer off the bench IMO.

When you look at it in this realistic way you can see that 2-3 key additions will have a huge impact on the team for next year. If we could draft a Towns and sign a guard like Danny Green I think that would be a very good outcome. There will be some solid players available to Phil. Especially some of these bigs and SG's.

PLAYER                  POS.    AGE     FROM    2014 CAP HIT  	STATUS
Kendall Marshall 	PG	23	MIL   	$915,243	UFA
Jeremy Lin	        PG	26	LAL  	$8,374,646      UFA      
Goran Dragic 		PG	28	PHX  	$7,500,000    	UFA
John Jenkins	        SG	23	ATL  	$1,312,920    	UFA
Austin River		SG	24	NOP  	$2,439,840    	UFA
Kyle Singler	        SG	26	DET  	$1,090,000    	UFA
Donald Sloan 		SG	26	IND  	$948,163	UFA
Danny Green	        SG	27	SAS  	$4,025,000    	UFA
Marcus Thornton		SG	27	BOS  	$8,575,000    	UFA
Wesley Matthews		SG	28	POR  	$7,245,640    	UFA
Marco Belinelli		SG	28	SAS  	$2,873,750    	UFA
Luke Babbitt	        SF	25	NOP  	$981,084	UFA
Robbie Hummel		SF	25	MIN  	$880,000	UFA
Omri Casspi	        SF	26	SAC  	$915,243	UFA
Wesley Johnson		SF	27	LAL  	$915,243	UFA
Alonzo Gee	        SF	27	DEN  	$915,243	UFA
Jeremy Evans		SF	27	UTH  	$1,794,871      UFA
Gerald Green		SF	28	PHX  	$3,500,000    	UFA
DeMarre Carroll		SF	28	ATL  	$2,442,455    	UFA
Thomas Robinson		PF	23	POR  	$3,678,360    	UFA
Kevin Seraphin		PF	25	WAS  	$3,898,691    	UFA
LaVoy Allen	        PF	25	IND  	$915,243	UFA
Darrell Arthur		PF	26	DEN  	$3,457,149    	UFA
Austin Daye	        PF	26	SAS  	$1,063,384    	UFA
Malcolm Thomas		PF	26	BOS  	$635,827	UFA
Amir Johnson		PF	27	TOR  	$7,000,000      UFA
Dante Cunningham	PF	27	NOP  	$716,043	UFA
Jonas Jerebko		PF	27	DET  	$4,500,000    	UFA
Jeff Ayres	        PF	27	SAS  	$1,828,750    	UFA
Luc R Mbah a Moute	PF	28	PHI  	$4,382,576    	UFA
Jason Smith	        PF	28	NYK  	$3,278,000    	UFA
Aron Baynes	        PF	28	SAS  	$2,077,000    	UFA
Greg Monroe	        C	24	DET  	$5,479,933    	UFA
Greg Smith	        C	24	DAL  	$948,163	UFA
DeAndre Jordan		C	26	LAC  	$11,440,123   	UFA
Robin Lopez	        C	26	POR  	$6,124,729    	UFA
Alexis Ajinca	        C	26	NOP  	$981,084	UFA
Brandan Wright		C	27	BOS  	$5,000,000    	UFA
Omer Asik	        C	28	NOP  	$8,374,646    	UFA

Nice.
I would try to get anyone of Danny Green, Marco Benenelli (very high on him), Jenkins for SG
PF:Amir Johnson, T-Rob, Jarekbo, Lavoy Alen,
and I would take anyone on that list for Center.

TPercy wrote:

Nice.
I would try to get anyone of Danny Green, Marco Benenelli (very high on him), Jenkins for SG
PF:Amir Johnson, T-Rob, Jarekbo, Lavoy Alen,
and I would take anyone on that list for Center.

I like Marco myself.

Jarebko might do well in our system as well.

Do you see 7 guys you can plug into the the group I posted in the title post?

EnySpree wrote:Pf: Bargnani
Sf: Melo
c :
1 guard: Alexey Shved
2 guard:

5: Galloway
6: Shane Larkin
7: ThJr
8: Lou amundson
9: Early
10:Thanasis
11:
12:

Ir:
Ir:
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Right now you can't factor Calderón into the plans with Shved here.

We owe Thanasis a contract for next season

You have to resign Bargnani even if you think he belongs on the bench. He's worth being in the rotation.

Lou has to stay because of his professionalism and work ethic. That's valuable to a team that is going to need leadership going forward.

We have money but we can't just waive the whole team and buy 14 new players. We need some continuity.

Lou has to go to reserves along with Bargs/Jason Smith and I would try to add a veteran pg guard there.Now we have 4 spots on the bench to fill out and 3 starting spots to fill out. Who we draft and where we choose to play Melo has a big impact on who we sign.
If we draft a Big and Melo plays 4, then we sign a decen't SF like Carroll, Green or Caspri. If Melo plays the 3 in that situation then we have to get a PF.

TPercy wrote:

nixluva wrote:Gotta agree EnySpree. The Draft is going to really be pivotal. If we can get one of those top picks it really boosts our process for rebuilding. The C spot and 2nd guard spot are really where this roster will get a boost, but also we'll need another scorer off the bench IMO.

When you look at it in this realistic way you can see that 2-3 key additions will have a huge impact on the team for next year. If we could draft a Towns and sign a guard like Danny Green I think that would be a very good outcome. There will be some solid players available to Phil. Especially some of these bigs and SG's.

PLAYER                  POS.    AGE     FROM    2014 CAP HIT  	STATUS
Kendall Marshall 	PG	23	MIL   	$915,243	UFA
Jeremy Lin	        PG	26	LAL  	$8,374,646      UFA      
Goran Dragic 		PG	28	PHX  	$7,500,000    	UFA
John Jenkins	        SG	23	ATL  	$1,312,920    	UFA
Austin River		SG	24	NOP  	$2,439,840    	UFA
Kyle Singler	        SG	26	DET  	$1,090,000    	UFA
Donald Sloan 		SG	26	IND  	$948,163	UFA
Danny Green	        SG	27	SAS  	$4,025,000    	UFA
Marcus Thornton		SG	27	BOS  	$8,575,000    	UFA
Wesley Matthews		SG	28	POR  	$7,245,640    	UFA
Marco Belinelli		SG	28	SAS  	$2,873,750    	UFA
Luke Babbitt	        SF	25	NOP  	$981,084	UFA
Robbie Hummel		SF	25	MIN  	$880,000	UFA
Omri Casspi	        SF	26	SAC  	$915,243	UFA
Wesley Johnson		SF	27	LAL  	$915,243	UFA
Alonzo Gee	        SF	27	DEN  	$915,243	UFA
Jeremy Evans		SF	27	UTH  	$1,794,871      UFA
Gerald Green		SF	28	PHX  	$3,500,000    	UFA
DeMarre Carroll		SF	28	ATL  	$2,442,455    	UFA
Thomas Robinson		PF	23	POR  	$3,678,360    	UFA
Kevin Seraphin		PF	25	WAS  	$3,898,691    	UFA
LaVoy Allen	        PF	25	IND  	$915,243	UFA
Darrell Arthur		PF	26	DEN  	$3,457,149    	UFA
Austin Daye	        PF	26	SAS  	$1,063,384    	UFA
Malcolm Thomas		PF	26	BOS  	$635,827	UFA
Amir Johnson		PF	27	TOR  	$7,000,000      UFA
Dante Cunningham	PF	27	NOP  	$716,043	UFA
Jonas Jerebko		PF	27	DET  	$4,500,000    	UFA
Jeff Ayres	        PF	27	SAS  	$1,828,750    	UFA
Luc R Mbah a Moute	PF	28	PHI  	$4,382,576    	UFA
Jason Smith	        PF	28	NYK  	$3,278,000    	UFA
Aron Baynes	        PF	28	SAS  	$2,077,000    	UFA
Greg Monroe	        C	24	DET  	$5,479,933    	UFA
Greg Smith	        C	24	DAL  	$948,163	UFA
DeAndre Jordan		C	26	LAC  	$11,440,123   	UFA
Robin Lopez	        C	26	POR  	$6,124,729    	UFA
Alexis Ajinca	        C	26	NOP  	$981,084	UFA
Brandan Wright		C	27	BOS  	$5,000,000    	UFA
Omer Asik	        C	28	NOP  	$8,374,646    	UFA

Nice.
I would try to get anyone of Danny Green, Marco Benenelli (very high on him), Jenkins for SG
PF:Amir Johnson, T-Rob, Jarekbo, Lavoy Alen,
and I would take anyone on that list for Center.

here's who phil is going to end up with

omri cassp1
benenelli
austin dye
robin lopez
jerbko
omer askik
luke babbit
jason smith
greg monroe

a bunch of jump shooting stiffs and a couple of low IQ players..anyone who will settle for a 1 yr contract. After the first wk of FA when the top FA will blow smoke up phils ass, he'll scramble to get a 2nd tier players, pay him 10 mill more than any team on the market, and fill out the roster with 1 yr guys who will play like crap because they know their not part of the durant sweep stakes.

Durant will be traded next season to a contender (aka melo leaving denver) and phil will start making assinine trades for over the hill players..Fisher will get fired ( i mean step down for family reasons) around december when we are 10 games below 500.

yr 3 dolan is like fck it man, tells phil to kick rocks, phil will once again state health reason and step down..you know the rest

Wow, that is some jaded Knick fan miasma. The stank of Dolan has corrupted your soul!

You may be right...or you may be wrong. I am hoping for the latter.

Moonangie wrote:Wow, that is some jaded Knick fan miasma. The stank of Dolan has corrupted your soul!

You may be right...or you may be wrong. I am hoping for the latter.

When I read it even I felt gloomy, but it is based on what is really going on so 1248 is far closer to the probable outcome than most others. If Phil doesn't nail this off-season I see little chance of him or Fish lasting the length of their contracts. Having money to spend doesn't mean it gets spent on ideal targets or spent wisely. It will take a small miracle for things to align so there is still hope, but its very slim at this point.

The biggest upside is probably the draft pick. If they somehow get the right player and they turn out to be a total stud, that could save the franchise far more than this free agency will. So hope they draft well. Free agency right now is probably overrated in the impact it will have on next year.

This is not a destination. It is pretty much a turn-off. No 1st or 2nd tier player will come here if they can get a comparable deal on the majority of the other clubs. Phil's best shot is filling the roster with cheap players and hoping 2 or 3 of them turn out to be gems he can extend. Chasing free agents and overpaying would probably doom this franchise once and for all.

he really only has to convince 2-3 solid guys to jump ship... whether we have to overpay or gamble a little the market will dictate that.... but it's not a totally lost cause...

the biggest acquisition will by far be the draft pick... and we just have to pray to the basketball gods for some ping pong balls for that..

melo + towns... that's not a bad start to a good season...

It's not just a competition for players with the whole league. Only a few teams will have the cap space and even fewer teams actually looking to spend their cap space on free agents. Some teams like Portland and Atlanta will be trying to bring back their own Free Agents and that will cost them. Boston and Philly are less likely to be in the market for costly free agents even tho they have cap space.

Unrestricted Free Agents as i've listed above are free to do what they want and are the low hanging fruit for Phil to try and pick off. There will be players available to Phil who can help this team.

                                ACTIVE  
RANK    TEAM                    PLAYERS GUARDS CAP      FORWARDS CAP    CENTERS CAP     TOTAL CAP       MAX TYPE
1	Philadelphia 76ers	10	$4,171,689	$5,474,162	$8,084,760	30,911,959	Max
2	Portland Trail Blazers	8	$17,379,187	$12,235,750	$8,091,879	37,706,816	Hard
3	Detroit Pistons	        9	$18,351,316	$10,127,110	$3,272,090	38,506,662	Max
4	New York Knicks	        5	$9,552,391	$23,720,059	$0	        39,601,427	Max
5	Atlanta Hawks	        9	$18,196,733	$10,027,088	$12,000,000	40,223,821	Hard
6	San Antonio Spurs	5	$17,016,447	$1,142,880	$16,000,000	41,239,312	Max
7	Boston Celtics	        10	$20,771,362	$15,800,625	$4,782,135	41,354,122	Hard
8	Dallas Mavericks	7	$16,723,759	$25,640,495	$0	        44,538,215	Max
9	Los Angeles Lakers	9	$31,064,228	$6,802,151	$9,981,348	47,847,727	Max
10	Milwaukee Bucks	        13	$19,311,400	$21,758,973	$5,200,000	49,317,267	Max
11	Phoenix Suns	        10	$22,912,600	$17,211,545	$3,807,120	49,499,723	Max
12	Memphis Grizzlies	12	$28,740,108	$21,563,673	$0	        50,904,157	Hard
13	Toronto Raptors	        9	$32,253,917	$10,292,675	$6,502,482	50,950,974	Max
14	Orlando Magic	        12	$17,236,444	$19,431,696	$11,250,000	52,494,214	Max
15	Utah Jazz	        10	$33,252,513	$17,722,276	$1,175,880	54,343,004	Max

Here is a synopsis of the Knicks cap situation for 2015. Of course Phil could change things depending on what he does with Jose and if he decides to renounce the rights to the players.

Carmelo Anthony	        SF	Bird	   $22,875,000	($101,606,280)
Jose Calderon	        PG	Cap Space  $7,402,812	($15,111,239)
Tim Hardaway Jr.	SG	Rookie	   $1,304,520	
Cleanthony Early	SF	Minimum	   $845,059
Langston Galloway	PG	Minimum	   $845,059  
2015 Cap Holds
Alexey Shved	        PG	$4,102,570
Quincy Acy	        SF	$1,181,348
Travis Wear	        PF	$1,045,059 
2015 NBA Salary Cap Max	        $66,500,000
Active Contracts	        $33,272,450
Cap Holds	                $6,328,977
 	                        $39,601,427
Cap Max Space	                $26,898,573

http://www.spotrac.com/nba/new-york-knic...

I really wonder what type of money Alex Aijinca will get this summer, as I expect a possible BIG OFFER from a team willing to pay for his potential as he probably would be a TOP 3 pick in this draft in terms of skills/physical abilities right now

And the same goes for Hassam Whiteside when he will be a UFA with early bird rights and a lot of cap space in 2017, when Dwade's contract will be up and possibly Luol Deng who has a player option for next season at 10m as well