Knicks · If we did nothing in the off-season..We could potentially have 60 mil in cap space in 2016.. (page 1)

Even with Melo's deal on the books..60 mil in cap space (minus the first round pick), let's think about that for one silly moment...

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So does every other team.

briggs is right, theres going to be a ton of teams with a ton of capspace, not just us. still a good thing, but we'll have our competition when signing people.

BRIGGS wrote:So does every other team.

Lots of teams have cap space now and what does it mean to them..Nothing..

holfresh wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:So does every other team.

Lots of teams have cap space now and what does it mean to them..Nothing..

Exactly

BRIGGS wrote:

holfresh wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:So does every other team.

Lots of teams have cap space now and what does it mean to them..Nothing..

Exactly

Point is..We are a big market team and what free agent is thinking of Utah, Minny, Sac, Toronto, Orlando, NO, MIl, Denver, etc as a destination??..Or When was the last time these teams landed an Unrestricted Free Agent??

holfresh wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

holfresh wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:So does every other team.

Lots of teams have cap space now and what does it mean to them..Nothing..

Exactly

Point is..We are a big market team and what free agent is thinking of Utah, Minny, Sac, Toronto, Orlando, NO, MIl, Denver, etc as a destination??..Or When was the last time these teams landed an Unrestricted Free Agent??

LOL we are a big market team my arse. What free agent has come here who has not been damaged goods in the last 15 years. Every team is a big market

BRIGGS wrote:

holfresh wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

holfresh wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:So does every other team.

Lots of teams have cap space now and what does it mean to them..Nothing..

Exactly

Point is..We are a big market team and what free agent is thinking of Utah, Minny, Sac, Toronto, Orlando, NO, MIl, Denver, etc as a destination??..Or When was the last time these teams landed an Unrestricted Free Agent??

LOL we are a big market team my arse. What free agent has come here who has not been damaged goods in the last 15 years. Every team is a big market

As many as our cap space has allowed..When was the last time we had cap space??

holfresh wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

holfresh wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

holfresh wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:So does every other team.

Lots of teams have cap space now and what does it mean to them..Nothing..

Exactly

Point is..We are a big market team and what free agent is thinking of Utah, Minny, Sac, Toronto, Orlando, NO, MIl, Denver, etc as a destination??..Or When was the last time these teams landed an Unrestricted Free Agent??

LOL we are a big market team my arse. What free agent has come here who has not been damaged goods in the last 15 years. Every team is a big market

As many as our cap space has allowed..When was the last time we had cap space??

When Lebron and Bosh were free agents.

BRIGGS wrote:

holfresh wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

holfresh wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

holfresh wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:So does every other team.

Lots of teams have cap space now and what does it mean to them..Nothing..

Exactly

Point is..We are a big market team and what free agent is thinking of Utah, Minny, Sac, Toronto, Orlando, NO, MIl, Denver, etc as a destination??..Or When was the last time these teams landed an Unrestricted Free Agent??

LOL we are a big market team my arse. What free agent has come here who has not been damaged goods in the last 15 years. Every team is a big market

As many as our cap space has allowed..When was the last time we had cap space??

When Lebron and Bosh were free agents.

NYC, LA, and yes Miami are considered destinations...You are right, we don't hold the monopoly on destinations..

not everyone will have that much. To me its why we need some luck. Ill curb my enthusiam for now but I think Phil may be doing a decent job filling out some pieces of the roster but really what we need is
1) MElo to come back healthy. KEep him to 30mpg and get 20/5/4 out of him.
2) draft a stud. OK4 would be a dream because he will give you scoring right away
3) fill out the roster cheap w/ Galloway, shved, etc etc

Be able of offer TWO guys max deals to come play with MElo/OK4/etc

We will see if Phil can do what Dolan paid him big bucks for. He's got to build AND attract. He' got to suceed in both. If he holds the cap space for another year fine, but he's got to execute on this draft A+

fishmike wrote:not everyone will have that much. To me its why we need some luck. Ill curb my enthusiam for now but I think Phil may be doing a decent job filling out some pieces of the roster but really what we need is
1) MElo to come back healthy. KEep him to 30mpg and get 20/5/4 out of him.
2) draft a stud. OK4 would be a dream because he will give you scoring right away
3) fill out the roster cheap w/ Galloway, shved, etc etc

Be able of offer TWO guys max deals to come play with MElo/OK4/etc

We will see if Phil can do what Dolan paid him big bucks for. He's got to build AND attract. He' got to suceed in both. If he holds the cap space for another year fine, but he's got to execute on this draft A+

If Phil can attract 2 legit max players over the next two years then he will be my new darling...But behind Melo of course...Ooopps Melo love the other thread??

holfresh wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

holfresh wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

holfresh wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

holfresh wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:So does every other team.

Lots of teams have cap space now and what does it mean to them..Nothing..

Exactly

Point is..We are a big market team and what free agent is thinking of Utah, Minny, Sac, Toronto, Orlando, NO, MIl, Denver, etc as a destination??..Or When was the last time these teams landed an Unrestricted Free Agent??

LOL we are a big market team my arse. What free agent has come here who has not been damaged goods in the last 15 years. Every team is a big market

As many as our cap space has allowed..When was the last time we had cap space??

When Lebron and Bosh were free agents.

NYC, LA, and yes Miami are considered destinations...You are right, we don't hold the monopoly on destinations..

LA couldn't sign any FA last season, they had to take on LINs poison contract, and castoff Boozer, dudes don't want to go to teams that aren't establish, have a young in experience coach, and zero talent

knicks1248 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

holfresh wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

holfresh wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

holfresh wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:So does every other team.

Lots of teams have cap space now and what does it mean to them..Nothing..

Exactly

Point is..We are a big market team and what free agent is thinking of Utah, Minny, Sac, Toronto, Orlando, NO, MIl, Denver, etc as a destination??..Or When was the last time these teams landed an Unrestricted Free Agent??

LOL we are a big market team my arse. What free agent has come here who has not been damaged goods in the last 15 years. Every team is a big market

As many as our cap space has allowed..When was the last time we had cap space??

When Lebron and Bosh were free agents.

NYC, LA, and yes Miami are considered destinations...You are right, we don't hold the monopoly on destinations..

LA couldn't sign any FA last season, they had to take on LINs poison contract, and castoff Boozer, dudes don't want to go to teams that aren't establish, have a young in experience coach, and zero talent

guys go... so we will see if Phil uses the money well right? Al Jefferson went to a bad team. Lance Stephenson. GS was bad when Lee went werent they? I mean its going to take cash most likely or a chance for a player to take a bigger role and further their career. Its not a deadend.. there are a lot of pitfalls though. Phil wont see much margin for error. Cant afford Amare V2

BRIGGS wrote:

holfresh wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

holfresh wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:So does every other team.

Lots of teams have cap space now and what does it mean to them..Nothing..

Exactly

Point is..We are a big market team and what free agent is thinking of Utah, Minny, Sac, Toronto, Orlando, NO, MIl, Denver, etc as a destination??..Or When was the last time these teams landed an Unrestricted Free Agent??

LOL we are a big market team my arse. What free agent has come here who has not been damaged goods in the last 15 years. Every team is a big market

Plus, guys in the $4-8M salary range will have real financial benefits signing in markets with lower costs. A guy in Minny can buy a little palace for half a million. In NYC, it gets them a breadbox. Add in teams in tax-free states vs. NYC's high taxes and that makes it even tougher.

Then the guys who make $10-20M may still not want to spend their money living in NYC or paying the tax bite.

Splat wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

holfresh wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

holfresh wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:So does every other team.

Lots of teams have cap space now and what does it mean to them..Nothing..

Exactly

Point is..We are a big market team and what free agent is thinking of Utah, Minny, Sac, Toronto, Orlando, NO, MIl, Denver, etc as a destination??..Or When was the last time these teams landed an Unrestricted Free Agent??

LOL we are a big market team my arse. What free agent has come here who has not been damaged goods in the last 15 years. Every team is a big market

Plus, guys in the $4-8M salary range will have real financial benefits signing in markets with lower costs. A guy in Minny can buy a little palace for half a million. In NYC, it gets them a breadbox. Add in teams in tax-free states vs. NYC's high taxes and that makes it even tougher.

Then the guys who make $10-20M may still not want to spend their money living in NYC or paying the tax bite.

That's the critical NYC issue I think...Life style and tax...A 2 mil dollar home in Houston is a 5/7 mil home in CT. and Westchester...And the tax that comes with it...It's mostly why I believe we have to overpay...

holfresh wrote:

Splat wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

holfresh wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

holfresh wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:So does every other team.

Lots of teams have cap space now and what does it mean to them..Nothing..

Exactly

Point is..We are a big market team and what free agent is thinking of Utah, Minny, Sac, Toronto, Orlando, NO, MIl, Denver, etc as a destination??..Or When was the last time these teams landed an Unrestricted Free Agent??

LOL we are a big market team my arse. What free agent has come here who has not been damaged goods in the last 15 years. Every team is a big market

Plus, guys in the $4-8M salary range will have real financial benefits signing in markets with lower costs. A guy in Minny can buy a little palace for half a million. In NYC, it gets them a breadbox. Add in teams in tax-free states vs. NYC's high taxes and that makes it even tougher.

Then the guys who make $10-20M may still not want to spend their money living in NYC or paying the tax bite.

That's the critical NYC issue I think...Life style and tax...A 2 mil dollar home in Houston is a 5/7 mil home in CT. and Westchester...And the tax that comes with it...It's mostly why I believe we have to overpay...

not for everyone. Starting with the international crowd. NY has a lot to offer there for starters.
This is kind of a lose lose crowd. Nobody will come here because of the money. IF they do they are only coming here for the money. Either way we come full circle to the UK theme of the week: Knicks sucks, Phil sucks, we are doomed, to suggest otherwise makes you an idiot free of logic and reason.

Time will tell. Different guys are motivated by different things and different sells, and some want a cash grab. There are minefields but suggesting there is more money to be made elsewhere sounds dubious. Look at some of the contracts Knicks have given out over the years. There is certanly financial opportunity in this org!

fishmike wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Splat wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

holfresh wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

holfresh wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:So does every other team.

Lots of teams have cap space now and what does it mean to them..Nothing..

Exactly

Point is..We are a big market team and what free agent is thinking of Utah, Minny, Sac, Toronto, Orlando, NO, MIl, Denver, etc as a destination??..Or When was the last time these teams landed an Unrestricted Free Agent??

LOL we are a big market team my arse. What free agent has come here who has not been damaged goods in the last 15 years. Every team is a big market

Plus, guys in the $4-8M salary range will have real financial benefits signing in markets with lower costs. A guy in Minny can buy a little palace for half a million. In NYC, it gets them a breadbox. Add in teams in tax-free states vs. NYC's high taxes and that makes it even tougher.

Then the guys who make $10-20M may still not want to spend their money living in NYC or paying the tax bite.

That's the critical NYC issue I think...Life style and tax...A 2 mil dollar home in Houston is a 5/7 mil home in CT. and Westchester...And the tax that comes with it...It's mostly why I believe we have to overpay...

not for everyone. Starting with the international crowd. NY has a lot to offer there for starters.
This is kind of a lose lose crowd. Nobody will come here because of the money. IF they do they are only coming here for the money. Either way we come full circle to the UK theme of the week: Knicks sucks, Phil sucks, we are doomed, to suggest otherwise makes you an idiot free of logic and reason.

Time will tell. Different guys are motivated by different things and different sells, and some want a cash grab. There are minefields but suggesting there is more money to be made elsewhere sounds dubious. Look at some of the contracts Knicks have given out over the years. There is certanly financial opportunity in this org!

Bro there are pre-schools in the City that require a parent/student interviews that start at 40k per yr...It cost a pretty penny to live here...Low rung players with two kids in school are done...

fishmike wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Splat wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

holfresh wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

holfresh wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:So does every other team.

Lots of teams have cap space now and what does it mean to them..Nothing..

Exactly

Point is..We are a big market team and what free agent is thinking of Utah, Minny, Sac, Toronto, Orlando, NO, MIl, Denver, etc as a destination??..Or When was the last time these teams landed an Unrestricted Free Agent??

LOL we are a big market team my arse. What free agent has come here who has not been damaged goods in the last 15 years. Every team is a big market

Plus, guys in the $4-8M salary range will have real financial benefits signing in markets with lower costs. A guy in Minny can buy a little palace for half a million. In NYC, it gets them a breadbox. Add in teams in tax-free states vs. NYC's high taxes and that makes it even tougher.

Then the guys who make $10-20M may still not want to spend their money living in NYC or paying the tax bite.

That's the critical NYC issue I think...Life style and tax...A 2 mil dollar home in Houston is a 5/7 mil home in CT. and Westchester...And the tax that comes with it...It's mostly why I believe we have to overpay...

not for everyone. Starting with the international crowd. NY has a lot to offer there for starters.
This is kind of a lose lose crowd. Nobody will come here because of the money. IF they do they are only coming here for the money. Either way we come full circle to the UK theme of the week: Knicks sucks, Phil sucks, we are doomed, to suggest otherwise makes you an idiot free of logic and reason.

Time will tell. Different guys are motivated by different things and different sells, and some want a cash grab. There are minefields but suggesting there is more money to be made elsewhere sounds dubious. Look at some of the contracts Knicks have given out over the years. There is certanly financial opportunity in this org!

That is a good point re: internationals, and the rock-and-a-hard-place aspect about guys choosing NYC re: $$$.

NY I think has a leg up on recruiting guys from this area or with roots here: Melo, JR Smith & World Peace come to mind... in that context I could imagine a Lance Stephenson or a Jimmer Fredette jumping at the chance as well... the context we saw that could have drawn Steve Nash a few years ago (based in NYC in the offseason AND an international, albeit Canada!)

The unfortunate question is whether bringing locals back around this way is recipe for success or disaster a la Starbury and JR Thirsty?

As for your average American-born player, I think it's probably a push. Maybe it's why we've had this older player trend: maybe the whole NYC draw is more of a 20th century holdover, or a place better suited for more mature, post-career oriented players looking to be closer to league and media headquarters? While for younger players not from the NYC metro, maybe it's more comfortable when you are getting towards 7 feet tall to be in a big car on a wide highways in a less dense city.

Total speculation on my part.

Splat wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

holfresh wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

holfresh wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:So does every other team.

Lots of teams have cap space now and what does it mean to them..Nothing..

Exactly

Point is..We are a big market team and what free agent is thinking of Utah, Minny, Sac, Toronto, Orlando, NO, MIl, Denver, etc as a destination??..Or When was the last time these teams landed an Unrestricted Free Agent??

LOL we are a big market team my arse. What free agent has come here who has not been damaged goods in the last 15 years. Every team is a big market

Plus, guys in the $4-8M salary range will have real financial benefits signing in markets with lower costs. A guy in Minny can buy a little palace for half a million. In NYC, it gets them a breadbox. Add in teams in tax-free states vs. NYC's high taxes and that makes it even tougher.

Then the guys who make $10-20M may still not want to spend their money living in NYC or paying the tax bite.

Oh yeah Splat--a nice dig in Manhattan is only 7-12 mm$. and then you have to pay 10k a month in fees to live there and 8k a month in taxes. And for all of that you still need to find a F parking spot.

BRIGGS wrote:

Splat wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

holfresh wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

holfresh wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:So does every other team.

Lots of teams have cap space now and what does it mean to them..Nothing..

Exactly

Point is..We are a big market team and what free agent is thinking of Utah, Minny, Sac, Toronto, Orlando, NO, MIl, Denver, etc as a destination??..Or When was the last time these teams landed an Unrestricted Free Agent??

LOL we are a big market team my arse. What free agent has come here who has not been damaged goods in the last 15 years. Every team is a big market

Plus, guys in the $4-8M salary range will have real financial benefits signing in markets with lower costs. A guy in Minny can buy a little palace for half a million. In NYC, it gets them a breadbox. Add in teams in tax-free states vs. NYC's high taxes and that makes it even tougher.

Then the guys who make $10-20M may still not want to spend their money living in NYC or paying the tax bite.

Oh yeah Splat--a nice dig in Manhattan is only 7-12 mm$. and then you have to pay 10k a month in fees to live there and 8k a month in taxes. And for all of that you still need to find a F parking spot.

Wow so ridiculous.

It's true you can buy a palace in Atlanta, Houston, phoenix or Oregon for $300k and actually give your family a decent life and allow your kids to go to school like the rest of the kids