He would be worth substantially more if he was consistent. Here is a factoid
Timmy Hardaway has scored between 15-25 points 20 times this year and in those games Hardaway is actually shooting over 50% from 3 and has an efg in the high 60's
which also tells you about the other 40 games or so where he has shot BELOW 20% and brings his 3 pt shooting down to a mercurial 32% on the year.
How can you be so good and then so bad--and nothing in between--literally Tim Hardaway has been either very good or very bad--never average.
Now for me--there is room to keep him as a 1.2mm $ piece as a 2nd guard with the hope that he can improve consistency--hey when hes good hes very good and experience / maturity should only rise. Hes athletic and he can shoot it. I think hes a little bit of a better all around player than is purported. His 36 minute split leave s him at 3.6 rebounds 2.6 assists which is a big increase from his rookie year--those are good stats to move up on.
We have to remember this kid is 22 years old. Thats a factor--too many times in the NBA teams "give up" on a guy who has not developed fast enough only find such player blossoming with another team 2 years later.
On the other side is it possible that Tim Hardaway would just be better on a different team with a different set up for THJ? Is there a team out there that would take Hardaway in a draft void on 1st pick level SG's(although there are a ton of 2nd rounders) You get a player with two years experience--you get some bonafides with him--he has shown his good side there is no guessing with that--Timmy Hardaway on selective nights is very good. In a draft where 21 of the first 37 picks are projected to be 6-8 to 7-1--is it a move where we say maybe were better off smoothing out the team SG spots with free agents and move Timmy for a pick between 25-35 who is looking for a shooting guard? Hes salary restricted and matches $-$ a pick. I'm ok with keeping him on the mandate that he just has to step up and show some more consistency--do what he needs to do to get there. Having a pro PG would help--we still do not have one we need a pro QB who can help get better shots for different players. Id have to think hardawya s value last year was substantially higher but should we get the value that is remaining or stay the course?
My problem with THJ is more than his inconsistency shooting. I actually think his shooting will even out as he fixes his form. I noticed more arch on his shots last night, but my problem with THJ is his Passing, D and rebounding etc. I think we might be able to find a SG who can shoot but also do more of the other things on the court we need a player to do. I'm not opposed to keeping THJ, but if we could trade him for a pick I might really consider doing that. Then again Phil doesn't sound like he's looking for a pick. He might be more interested in a deal for a Vet including THJ perhaps.
THJ was very clutch his rookie season, that part of his game seems to have taken a dive with his confidence. He was worth a mid first rounder after his rookie year, now Im guessing top of the second round.
I wonder if his numbers go up playing with Shved. He has been disappointing all season.
CrushAlot wrote:I wonder if his numbers go up playing with Shved. He has been disappointing all season.
Doubt it- much as I'd love to see him end the season on a good note (so we can trade him 
), Tim is just a streaky player- this season he's been off way more times than on, I don't see how Schved will change that.
I hope so. We need to flip him for a pick before his value goes down.
i'd be ecstatic if we can get a 2nd rd pick for him....
NYKBocker wrote:I hope so. We need to flip him for a pick before his value goes down.
his value has already tanked. Another guy that we held onto for too damn long.
many of us saw this already in his rookie season while some posters were claiming that he is/was the next reggie miller.
Maybe some of you paid no attn to him in college, but i did, I watch a lot of Michigan games in his last season, and it was remarkable how he was red hot for 2 games, and a total crack head the next 3. Both him and Glenn Robinson JR were just ridiculously inconsistent
smackeddog wrote:CrushAlot wrote:I wonder if his numbers go up playing with Shved. He has been disappointing all season.
Doubt it- much as I'd love to see him end the season on a good note (so we can trade him ), Tim is just a streaky player- this season he's been off way more times than on, I don't see how Schved will change that.
One way is just the timing of the passes and the accuracy. That all effects the rhythm of a players shooting. IF they get the ball on time and right in the hands so they can just focus on the shot it makes a player better. THJ's inconsistent shooting can be fixed IMO, but I want to see him improve on D, Passing and Rebounding. Shved is showing how a guard can do other things besides shoot. That could provide a good example for THJ.
knicks1248 wrote:Maybe some of you paid no attn to him in college, but i did, I watch a lot of Michigan games in his last season, and it was remarkable how he was red hot for 2 games, and a total crack head the next 3. Both him and Glenn Robinson JR were just ridiculously inconsistent
that is exactly what he was in his rookie season. Feast or Famine City.
To trade Hardaway would be mistake. He is experiencing a sophomore slump it's common for this to happen. Let's see what happens next year. I have a good feeling that he comes in better prepared next year. He is a hard worker and he seems to have a chip on his shoulder. I wouldn't doubt him. Besides we get a low first round pick, how often do low first round picks come right in and produce numbers. I'd rather just stick with Hardaway, because a rookie is going to experience the same growing pains as THJ.
Vmart wrote:To trade Hardaway would be mistake. He is experiencing a sophomore slump it's common for this to happen. Let's see what happens next year. I have a good feeling that he comes in better prepared next year. He is a hard worker and he seems to have a chip on his shoulder. I wouldn't doubt him. Besides we get a low first round pick, how often do low first round picks come right in and produce numbers. I'd rather just stick with Hardaway, because a rookie is going to experience the same growing pains as THJ.
Of course we should not trade him now. We should have traded him last year.
I believe this coaching staff as well as those he is asked to share the court with have a lot to do with his numbers. My problems with his game s that he doesn't give consistent effort on defense, nor when it comes to rebound the ball. In my opinion, he is to much in love with his offensive game. If he is shooting the ball well, he puts in the effort on defense and sharing the ball. When his shots are not falling, he becomes overly concern and forgets about everything else.
nixluva wrote:smackeddog wrote:CrushAlot wrote:I wonder if his numbers go up playing with Shved. He has been disappointing all season.
Doubt it- much as I'd love to see him end the season on a good note (so we can trade him ), Tim is just a streaky player- this season he's been off way more times than on, I don't see how Schved will change that.
One way is just the timing of the passes and the accuracy. That all effects the rhythm of a players shooting. IF they get the ball on time and right in the hands so they can just focus on the shot it makes a player better. THJ's inconsistent shooting can be fixed IMO, but I want to see him improve on D, Passing and Rebounding. Shved is showing how a guard can do other things besides shoot. That could provide a good example for THJ.
I agree. The knicks are so much more fun to watch when they have a guard that moves the ball well. Kidd and Lin are the last two that come to mind as recent Knicks. Shved doesn't need to dominate the ball as much as Lin though and with his height I think he could be a better fit.
If he wasnt as dumb as a brick then sure.
I got no problem with his shooting ability. In fact, that's the only problem I don't have with him. Some team might be dumb enough to throw us a late first.
He was first team all rookie last year. His poor play/inconsistency this year has hurt his value. Maybe if he has a strong finish to the season he could be swapped for a first. Also, he maybe packaged to move Calderon.
At this point, I think you'd get only a late 2nd round pick for him
I think you could probably trade him for a late first round pick, early second round pick.
Other teams are going to take this year with a grain of sand.
I would just point out what JR & Shump have done since leaving. Same with Tyson Chandler.
But if you trade him, who is playing 2g for us?
We need to upgrade the back court. We can't go into next year with Calderon, Shved, Galloway and Hardaway.
That is asking to win 20 games, no matter how healthy Melo is or how lucky we are with ping pong balls and our 1st round pick becoming an immediate contributor.
He has an inconsistent shot and like Iman Shumpert and JR Smith, I think his trade value is low but his skills >>> than his trade value
His negatives include his inability to defend any position, shot selection, inconsistent play, and on another team that can make up for his weakness's and provide the leadership/ability to facilitate take the attention away from him so he can get WIDE OPEN SHOTS, he could be a decent player
I highly doubt a team would give a 1st rounder in this draft for Tim Hardaway JR, though not impossible, his trade value was probably highest last season which we didn't full advantage of with Iman Shumpert, Tyson Chandler
And the trade value of CA and JR Smith in previous years, as we "tried to compete" for a ring with a Coach that made no adjustments, believed in ISO ball, and continued to put together lineups/rotations that fails him, while he had utilized lineups/rotations that worked better and were pointed out by Coach Vogel when we destroyed The Pacer's the 2 games in the season, weeks prior to the ECF's with Copeland as the Stretch PF/C to pull out West/Hibbert's shot blocking/rebounding ability instead of focusing on CA vs Paul George 1v1 in addition to Hibbert patrolling the paint as Chandler couldn't take advantage of that...
