We but the NBA has changed. It behooves teams to have bigs who create space and still be able to beat you inside when called upon. Better for team chemistry. That's where a guy like Al Jefferson puts up big numbers but his teams don't win inspite of the numbers.
Maybe you can build a team like Memphis around Ok; like they have with Randolph. Easier said the done though. Not easy finding a Gasol
gunsnewing wrote:I'm not upset just trying to get to the bottom of that comparison
fish is using marvin williams as a comparison because marvin williams played one year at UNC, played 20mpg, averaged 11ppg/7rpg and ended up being the 2nd pick in the draft soley because of his potential. he was picked ahead of guys like chris paul, deron williams.
it's a valid point. and i like towns, and im saying its a valid point.
i'd love for okafor to prove me wrong... but 1.8 blocks per 40 is insanely low... there isn't much precedence here for a center you would call good with that low a block rate... and teams have noticed...
the duke teams with brand and battier are good comparisons... they also had no frontcourt players besides brand and whoever the backup guys were... they were also very good on offense and very bad on defense... even brand in that scheme averaged 3.0 blocks per 40...
I still don't see it but ok
gunsnewing wrote:I still don't see it but ok
how do you not see it? i think your love for towns has clouded your judgement here bro.
Didn't Marvin come off the bench on that team against 2nd units?
nyk4ever wrote:gunsnewing wrote:I still don't see it but ok
how do you not see it? i think your love for towns has clouded your judgement here bro.
Not only my judgement but everyone outside of this board if that's the case
you can build a winning team around okafor but it's going to be pretty hard.. you need a center who can hit an outside shot who's also going to protect the paint... a guy like tyson chandler or wc stein would just clog the paint for okafor on the other end... that's one of the reasons why towns and stein works on kentucky...
the list of centers who can defend and hit an outside shot... that list is very very short... which is what scares me about okafor... he will put up his numbers but they will all be for losing teams.. sort of like moses malone... and moses had to get traded multiple times and finally got on board a good sixers team to win his title... that was at age 28 and he was far from the goto guy on that team...
gunsnewing wrote:nyk4ever wrote:gunsnewing wrote:I still don't see it but ok
how do you not see it? i think your love for towns has clouded your judgement here bro.
Not only my judgement but everyone outside of this board if that's the case
well ive even told you i want towns #1, but im willing to admit he has faults. as soon as someone says something negative about him, you get defensive.
Yea you need Gasol. That's why it works in Memphis with Randolph
I think ok;'s flaws are more glaring than Towns. Like Mreinman said Towns Seems to drag his feet. I accept that flaw but what are his other flaws?
gunsnewing wrote:So OK4 is flawless?
of course he's not, his defense is definitely suspect, but this is normal because all of these players are COMING OUT OF COLLEGE. they all have their faults and all the concerns with all these players are normal and 100% valid. you're taking this way to personally man.
He is 19 of course you can nitpick his flaws. Ok4's motor on defense and reaction time Are more glaring imo. Does he have it in him to get better?
FistOfOakley wrote:you can build a winning team around okafor but it's going to be pretty hard.. you need a center who can hit an outside shot who's also going to protect the paint... a guy like tyson chandler or wc stein would just clog the paint for okafor on the other end... that's one of the reasons why towns and stein works on kentucky...the list of centers who can defend and hit an outside shot... that list is very very short... which is what scares me about okafor... he will put up his numbers but they will all be for losing teams.. sort of like moses malone... and moses had to get traded multiple times and finally got on board a good sixers team to win his title... that was at age 28 and he was far from the goto guy on that team...
Not true about Moses...He averaged 28 & 15 and led the Rockets to finals in 1981...
gunsnewing wrote:I think ok;'s flaws are more glaring than Towns. Like Mreinman said Towns Seems to drag his feet. I accept that flaw but what are his other flaws?
his flaws are pretty apparent to me. he doesn't play alot, his lower body needs alot of strengthening (hence the reason he fouls so much) and his post play can use alot of improvement. like i said though, these are all expected because he's a freshman in college lol. to think this guy is flawless at 18 is ridiculous. the same goes for ok4. i feel like because im mentioning towns weaknesses that you are taking these as disses towards him. i want him on the knicks lol
nyk4ever wrote:gunsnewing wrote:So OK4 is flawless?
of course he's not, his defense is definitely suspect, but this is normal because all of these players are COMING OUT OF COLLEGE. they all have their faults and all the concerns with all these players are normal and 100% valid. you're taking this way to personally man.
I agree? So what is the problem? I prefer Towns. End of story. I don't expect everyone to agree with me. I love ok4 but I'm not taking him ahead of Towns and I made my reasons clear I think
gunsnewing wrote:nyk4ever wrote:gunsnewing wrote:So OK4 is flawless?
of course he's not, his defense is definitely suspect, but this is normal because all of these players are COMING OUT OF COLLEGE. they all have their faults and all the concerns with all these players are normal and 100% valid. you're taking this way to personally man.
I agree? So what is the problem? I prefer Towns. End of story. I don't expect everyone to agree with me. I love ok4 but I'm not taking him ahead of Towns and I made my reasons clear I think
there is no problem, carry on.
gunsnewing wrote:He is 19 of course you can nitpick his flaws. Ok4's motor on defense and reaction time Are more glaring imo. Does he have it in him to get better?
Who knows if he has it in him? The same can be said about Towns who was already called out by his coach. I know this much, Ok4 is going to be a legit scoring threat in the paint from day one. His best attribute, scoring in the paint is more easy to bank on than what Towns is going to bring to the table. Towns is more of a what if or might be. Too much of a risk to take #1.
I don't get what we are arguing when we agree
Uptown wrote:gunsnewing wrote:He is 19 of course you can nitpick his flaws. Ok4's motor on defense and reaction time Are more glaring imo. Does he have it in him to get better?
Who knows if he has it in him? The same can be said about Towns who was already called out by his coach. I know this much, Ok4 is going to be a legit scoring threat in the paint from day one. His best attribute, scoring in the paint is more easy to bank on than what Towns is going to bring to the table. Towns is more of a what if or might be. Too much of a risk to take #1.
But he may not score as easily in the paint in the pros. Especially if you put him at center VS 7+ footers.
Like I said I can see it worked if you put him at the 4 like Zach Randolph and but a big who can spread the floor and protect the rim like Marc Gasol. Its easier said then done. Bargnani won't work because he's as bad as ok4 and Melo defensively. Dalembert can protect the paint but he can't shoot and is a foul machine.
Am I making any sense to you?
