i'll go the same order as the OP's title. Langston just needs his offense to carry over like the rest of his game.
Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:so funny how Galloway gets the most votes when he has done nothing yet to prove his status.typical knicks overrated their new kids on the block.
Exactly. The age 23 component makes the poll impossible to answer. That said, Galloway has not played at even close to a level that Ward or Childs. There's such a small sample of data for him that it's pointless to even speculate on what will happen in the future. If you were to tell me I could have my choice of one of these three players in their primes next year on the roster, I'd go with Ward, Childs, Galloway in that order.
Hate to come off as an apologist for Galloway, but...
Childs was not in the NBA until after years of seasoning... and he actually turned 28 during his first season in the league.
He never build on the nice year in NJ that got him his Knicks' contract.
Ward was 24 when he began, turned 25 at the start of the season, and did not average over 20 MPG until his 3rd season. I know he had Derrick Harper on the team when he started, but even in his best seasons all you got from him was 8PPG/5-6APG/3RPG/2SPG.
I didn't mind the Ward/Childs combo we had for a number of years at PG- Probably helped both of them in terms of endurance during a game or season.
Folks are voting here based on the early performance of a guy who is an undrafted rookie playing a position he had not even played in college. He's actually done more his first year as a 23 yr old undrafted player than either Ward or Childs did until they were 27.
We were lucky to pick the guy up as we did. Who knows what he will develop into, but its unfair to compare a Galloway's hypothetical prime with two guys in the past who were late bloomers who had years to grow as players before they actually started.
WaltLongmire wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:so funny how Galloway gets the most votes when he has done nothing yet to prove his status.typical knicks overrated their new kids on the block.
Exactly. The age 23 component makes the poll impossible to answer. That said, Galloway has not played at even close to a level that Ward or Childs. There's such a small sample of data for him that it's pointless to even speculate on what will happen in the future. If you were to tell me I could have my choice of one of these three players in their primes next year on the roster, I'd go with Ward, Childs, Galloway in that order.
Hate to come off as an apologist for Galloway, but...
Childs was not in the NBA until after years of seasoning... and he actually turned 28 during his first season in the league.
He never build on the nice year in NJ that got him his Knicks' contract.
Ward was 24 when he began, turned 25 at the start of the season, and did not average over 20 MPG until his 3rd season. I know he had Derrick Harper on the team when he started, but even in his best seasons all you got from him was 8PPG/5-6APG/3RPG/2SPG.
I didn't mind the Ward/Childs combo we had for a number of years at PG- Probably helped both of them in terms of endurance during a game or season.
Folks are voting here based on the early performance of a guy who is an undrafted rookie playing a position he had not even played in college. He's actually done more his first year as a 23 yr old undrafted player than either Ward or Childs did until they were 27.
We were lucky to pick the guy up as we did. Who knows what he will develop into, but its unfair to compare a Galloway's hypothetical prime with two guys in the past who were late bloomers who had years to grow as players before they actually started.
that is because he is playing in the Tankathon. Do you actually think that he would have gotten these minutes (or any minutes) on that (playoff) knicks team?
Gotta go with the one who did it since we're going with what we know. Ward walked into a playoff team, and didnt hurt it, so he's #1. Childs was OK, but not quite as good as Ward imo. Galloway doesnt have a resume to compare with these two yet.
mreinman wrote:WaltLongmire wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:so funny how Galloway gets the most votes when he has done nothing yet to prove his status.typical knicks overrated their new kids on the block.
Exactly. The age 23 component makes the poll impossible to answer. That said, Galloway has not played at even close to a level that Ward or Childs. There's such a small sample of data for him that it's pointless to even speculate on what will happen in the future. If you were to tell me I could have my choice of one of these three players in their primes next year on the roster, I'd go with Ward, Childs, Galloway in that order.
Hate to come off as an apologist for Galloway, but...
Childs was not in the NBA until after years of seasoning... and he actually turned 28 during his first season in the league.
He never build on the nice year in NJ that got him his Knicks' contract.
Ward was 24 when he began, turned 25 at the start of the season, and did not average over 20 MPG until his 3rd season. I know he had Derrick Harper on the team when he started, but even in his best seasons all you got from him was 8PPG/5-6APG/3RPG/2SPG.
I didn't mind the Ward/Childs combo we had for a number of years at PG- Probably helped both of them in terms of endurance during a game or season.
Folks are voting here based on the early performance of a guy who is an undrafted rookie playing a position he had not even played in college. He's actually done more his first year as a 23 yr old undrafted player than either Ward or Childs did until they were 27.
We were lucky to pick the guy up as we did. Who knows what he will develop into, but its unfair to compare a Galloway's hypothetical prime with two guys in the past who were late bloomers who had years to grow as players before they actually started.
that is because he is playing in the Tankathon. Do you actually think that he would have gotten these minutes (or any minutes) on that (playoff) knicks team?
NO... and that would have been good for Galloway! He could have watched and learned from veteran players and been slowly integrated into the lineup, just as was the case with Ward on the Knicks (I did note that Ward came onto a team with a very good PG when he joined the Knicks. You don't think Galloway could have learned from Derrick Harper if he was backing him up?
As for Childs, he graduated from college in 1988, and could not get into the NBA until 1994!
Not sure what some of you guys are thinking when evaluating Galloway at this point. The guy hasn't even played half a season worth of games and people are looking at him as a finished product.
Folks have to look at this situation with some kind of perspective and not with the instant/immediate gratification outlook so prominent in the country at this time.
WaltLongmire wrote:mreinman wrote:WaltLongmire wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:so funny how Galloway gets the most votes when he has done nothing yet to prove his status.typical knicks overrated their new kids on the block.
Exactly. The age 23 component makes the poll impossible to answer. That said, Galloway has not played at even close to a level that Ward or Childs. There's such a small sample of data for him that it's pointless to even speculate on what will happen in the future. If you were to tell me I could have my choice of one of these three players in their primes next year on the roster, I'd go with Ward, Childs, Galloway in that order.
Hate to come off as an apologist for Galloway, but...
Childs was not in the NBA until after years of seasoning... and he actually turned 28 during his first season in the league.
He never build on the nice year in NJ that got him his Knicks' contract.
Ward was 24 when he began, turned 25 at the start of the season, and did not average over 20 MPG until his 3rd season. I know he had Derrick Harper on the team when he started, but even in his best seasons all you got from him was 8PPG/5-6APG/3RPG/2SPG.
I didn't mind the Ward/Childs combo we had for a number of years at PG- Probably helped both of them in terms of endurance during a game or season.
Folks are voting here based on the early performance of a guy who is an undrafted rookie playing a position he had not even played in college. He's actually done more his first year as a 23 yr old undrafted player than either Ward or Childs did until they were 27.
We were lucky to pick the guy up as we did. Who knows what he will develop into, but its unfair to compare a Galloway's hypothetical prime with two guys in the past who were late bloomers who had years to grow as players before they actually started.
that is because he is playing in the Tankathon. Do you actually think that he would have gotten these minutes (or any minutes) on that (playoff) knicks team?
NO... and that would have been good for Galloway! He could have watched and learned from veteran players and been slowly integrated into the lineup, just as was the case with Ward on the Knicks (I did note that Ward came onto a team with a very good PG when he joined the Knicks. You don't think Galloway could have learned from Derrick Harper if he was backing him up?As for Childs, he graduated from college in 1988, and could not get into the NBA until 1994!
Not sure what some of you guys are thinking when evaluating Galloway at this point. The guy hasn't even played half a season worth of games and people are looking at him as a finished product.
Folks have to look at this situation with some kind of perspective and not with the instant/immediate gratification outlook so prominent in the country at this time.
that is exactly why its too early to crown galloway and actually put him ahead of guys who we know had success and playoff success.
Galloway might be getting minutes more than he normally would but he is still producing(defensively) in those minutes surrounded by a sub par cast. Is it to early to anoint him, sure, but who is anointing him? Is it really a far stretch to see him passing Ward or Childs. It should not take much. He may never get their ast numbers but overall he could be a way better player.
yellowboy90 wrote:Galloway might be getting minutes more than he normally would but he is still producing(defensively) in those minutes surrounded by a sub par cast. Is it to early to anoint him, sure, but who is anointing him? Is it really a far stretch to see him passing Ward or Childs. It should not take much. He may never get their ast numbers but overall he could be a way better player.
he could be ... so can shved and Larkin.
yellowboy90 wrote:Galloway might be getting minutes more than he normally would but he is still producing(defensively) in those minutes surrounded by a sub par cast. Is it to early to anoint him, sure, but who is anointing him? Is it really a far stretch to see him passing Ward or Childs. It should not take much. He may never get their ast numbers but overall he could be a way better player.
He doesn't really have the numbers they do anywhere, except rebounding and if you want to count it, scoring volume. 11 points on almost 11 shots a game isn't something to brag about though. Don't forget Ward and Childs were doing this on contending teams. Don't get me wrong - I support Galloway and I do think it's nice to have him on a team option league min contract for the next two years. But he's not in Ward's or Child's league at this point.
gunsnewing wrote:fishmike wrote:fishmike wrote:I wanted to pick Galloway but Childs is ahead at this point. I think Langston can be better than Childs but Chris was still a good player. He could score, good on the ball defender, hit some 3s... he had swagger, a killer instinct?
your an idiot
+1
I loved Childs. So clutch, tough and heart. Too bad he wasn't always in the best shape to play professional basketball.
If Felton could shoot like Childs we would've been much better off.
Galloway is like Ward but with childs clutch 3pt shooting. Hopefully he becomes a good 3pt shooter like Ward did
I agree, he wasn't talented but he came up big when it mattered. He used to get blasted for most of his stint with us though- plus didn't he get injured upon signing with us, broke his leg I think. Seems to be the standard when we aquire a new player!
Bonn1997 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:Galloway might be getting minutes more than he normally would but he is still producing(defensively) in those minutes surrounded by a sub par cast. Is it to early to anoint him, sure, but who is anointing him? Is it really a far stretch to see him passing Ward or Childs. It should not take much. He may never get their ast numbers but overall he could be a way better player.
He doesn't really have the numbers they do anywhere, except rebounding and if you want to count it, scoring volume. 11 points on almost 11 shots a game isn't something to brag about though. Don't forget Ward and Childs were doing this on contending teams. Don't get me wrong - I support Galloway and I do think it's nice to have him on a team option league min contract for the next two years. But he's not in Ward's or Child's league at this point.
Of course he is not in their category at this point in his career but at 23 he has a nice starting point to become a better player. I like his defense, ast/to, reb, and 3pt shooting. Plus, he has a track record you can point back to of being a sniper unlike Shump or Hardaway. If you judge Childs or Ward as rookies most people would have probably said they would have never become Child or Ward(if you know what I mean).
lets not forget how great TD looked in the beginning ... I would have taken him over all of them
I wasn't crazy about Ward. Although he started in order to cater to Ewing(JVG didn't like Childs take Ewing's shots) Ward was very pedestrian. Childs was the better player eventhough he came off the bench. When Childs retired Ward really stepped up his game. Had some huge assist games and became a very goo 3pt shooter. Unfortunately these where the Vin Baker, Travis Knight, Shandon Anderson, Howard Eisely, gimpy H20 years
