Can all be on the Knicks roster if we trade our pick. I would only keep that pick if it is the first overall. I love Towns and Russell, but the three front court players I mentions can forever change our course.
If Phili is willing to trade him can you think of a bigger red flag? Last I read he gained a ton of weight and hurt himself during rehab and is walking in a boot.
Phil won't ruin this franchise and add a permanent blemish to his remarkable record. He is not a fool or a lackey.
We gonna pick KAT. Hopefully we find a way to get some more talent via second rounders purchase. But it's time to add a young building block for the future. No more Starphuck trades to "win now". Worst case, we just trade Melo for additional 1st round picks and hasten our rebuild dramatically (that's my hope anyways).
Moonangie wrote:Phil won't ruin this franchise and add a permanent blemish to his remarkable record. He is not a fool or a lackey.We gonna pick KAT. Hopefully we find a way to get some more talent via second rounders purchase. But it's time to add a young building block for the future. No more Starphuck trades to "win now". Worst case, we just trade Melo for additional 1st round picks and hasten our rebuild dramatically (that's my hope anyways).
Heres the problem....Whenever you add high profile GM, with a heavy legacy as a Coach, with 11 rings to show....You've already started the so called "Starphuck". Plus, Phil is going on 80, and can barely walk. So his timeline is extremely short. Melo's timeline is extremely short.
If Phil can trade the pick, to help improve the knicks next season and in the future, he doing it. If our GM was some kin of the owner....And you knew the GM was here for the long haul, then he will not be under the pressure to win now or within 5 years. He will try and build a foundation. Draft players like Towns with more potential, because he will have time to wait, if Towns hasn't reached his potential yet.
Phil will try his best to build a team that can make it to the NBA finals next season, and save room for one max player like Durrant next season. But Phil is not trying to tank again. He will be swinging for the fences until his contract is up. Just hope he actually makes contact with those swings. So far, he's hit a few base hits.
If the Knicks can gte me Jahill Okafor and Jakob Poetl and be patient I think wed be in the championship business if we trade Carmelo for a variety of assets that embodies team play on both sides of the ball. Right now Poetl is listed as pick #14 on e mock draft--not listed on the other. I think it will be to hard to get guys like Stein et al--they are going mid lottery. After seeing Poetl twice I belief he is the better LONG term prospect than Kaminsky and Stein anyway. Hes going to be a good defensive player but also has great touch around the hoop for 7-1
blkexec wrote:Moonangie wrote:Phil won't ruin this franchise and add a permanent blemish to his remarkable record. He is not a fool or a lackey.We gonna pick KAT. Hopefully we find a way to get some more talent via second rounders purchase. But it's time to add a young building block for the future. No more Starphuck trades to "win now". Worst case, we just trade Melo for additional 1st round picks and hasten our rebuild dramatically (that's my hope anyways).
Heres the problem....Whenever you add high profile GM, with a heavy legacy as a Coach, with 11 rings to show....You've already started the so called "Starphuck". Plus, Phil is going on 80, and can barely walk. So his timeline is extremely short. Melo's timeline is extremely short.
If Phil can trade the pick, to help improve the knicks next season and in the future, he doing it. If our GM was some kin of the owner....And you knew the GM was here for the long haul, then he will not be under the pressure to win now or within 5 years. He will try and build a foundation. Draft players like Towns with more potential, because he will have time to wait, if Towns hasn't reached his potential yet.
Phil will try his best to build a team that can make it to the NBA finals next season, and save room for one max player like Durrant next season. But Phil is not trying to tank again. He will be swinging for the fences until his contract is up. Just hope he actually makes contact with those swings. So far, he's hit a few base hits.
Perfect analogy. Phil inherited a pretty bad situation, he will certainly do his best to fix it. He will gamble as he has already proven. If he had more picks this season, he perhaps would consider holding on to that draft pick. As you've stated, dude is old and decrepit, he doesn't have much time to fool around with a rebuilding progam with no draft picks to play around with. If the player he really wants is not on the board or if another team is willing to offer excellent picks for THE one and only pick that we have; specifically, if they are early picks that can net us two solid bigs like Stein and Kaminsky, I see feel trading that pick.
Philly and Boston have multiple picks in this draft. Boston would love to add a big like Okafor to play next to Olynyck. I know for a fact Philly is aiming for Russell. Those two teams might be excellent trade partners
Knicks1969 wrote:Philly and Boston have multiple picks in this draft. Boston would love to add a big like Okafor to play next to Olynyck. I know for a fact Philly is aiming for Russell. Those two teams might be excellent trade partners
And if Phil is smart....he should already have a trading package for all potential picks that involves Boston, Philly and anybody else with multiple picks. If he's scraping the barrel for D league non drafted talent.....then he should and probably doing the same with draft pick scenarios. Thats the right thing to do.....Explore all options. I don't think we had any GM's that did a good job of that in the past. Phil seems like the type that will explore everything....
Knicks1969 wrote:Philly and Boston have multiple picks in this draft. Boston would love to add a big like Okafor to play next to Olynyck. I know for a fact Philly is aiming for Russell. Those two teams might be excellent trade partners
lol, you know that for a fact? Who you know, the GM or owner?
Enough trading picks. It doesnt matter if we dont get number 1 because Towns and Russell may end up being better than okafor anyway. There are 3-4 big impact players in this draft and we are in prime position to get one of them.
I hope what happens is The Knicks get #2 & get to take whichever is left.
Just like Seattle did in 2007.
Remember how Oden was the next big thing?
What if it turns out like 1997 and you get Van Horn instead of Duncan?
Or like 2003 and at #2 you pick from all stars like Carmelo, Bosh, and Wafe instead of Lebron? You'll still feel like throwing up.
With the 1 pick, the only regret is that you choose the wrong guy, but destiny was in your own hands.
Fwiw, OKC got very lucky.
technomaster wrote:What if it turns out like 1997 and you get Van Horn instead of Duncan?
Or like 2003 and at #2 you pick from all stars like Carmelo, Bosh, and Wafe instead of Lebron? You'll still feel like throwing up.With the 1 pick, the only regret is that you choose the wrong guy, but destiny was in your own hands.
Fwiw, OKC got very lucky.
Well, in 1997 I wouldn't have wanted #2 over #1 - that was a no brainer to take Duncan.
As far as the destiny part, I'd feel much shittier if I had the #1 pick & screwed up, rather than have #2 & take whoever is left over.
Since no one really know who will be the better of the 2 big men, I'd just as soon go the #2 pick.
If this was a Shaq/Mourning draft, I'd rather have #1, but that was one year you couldn't screw up.
Duke players almost never reach their full potentials. I would be very careful and take into account the full history of Dukies
Knicks1969 wrote:Duke players almost never reach their full potentials. I would be very careful and take into account the full history of Dukies
Yea ok4 might reach his potential offensively but never reach his full complete potential. That really has been the problem with Duke bigs going back to Laettner. Ok4 is better than all of them though so he will be a good pick for whoever drafts him.
Dukies are great college players, but never truly make it in the pros. Grant Hill is the only player who reached super-stardom, but due to health issue, his career took a downward turn.
Thus, I would be very careful drafting Okafor
gunsnewing wrote:Knicks1969 wrote:Duke players almost never reach their full potentials. I would be very careful and take into account the full history of Dukies
Yea ok4 might reach his potential offensively but never reach his full complete potential. That really has been the problem with Duke bigs going back to Laettner. Ok4 is better than all of them though so he will be a good pick for whoever drafts him.
Plus he is a one and done so that is a different situation. If you think Duke players get bad defensive coaching then you do not have to worry about OK4 developing bad patterns by being coached by Mike over and over and over. SO if OK4 is surrounding by a good staff there is no reason he can't develop if he puts in the work.
Knicks1969 wrote:Dukies are great college players, but never truly make it in the pros. Grant Hill is the only player who reached super-stardom, but due to health issue, his career took a downward turn. Thus, I would be very careful drafting Okafor
And that's just the opposite for Kentucky players. Especially at the critical positions of PG and Center. They usually shine in the NBA.
All the players out of Kentucky have at least been good at a high level at both ends of the court....I would take my chance with Calipari's players before a coach K. I think very highly of the Duke program, but I prefer the calipari coached kids
Knicks1969 wrote:All the players out of Kentucky have at least been good at a high level at both ends of the court....I would take my chance with Calipari's players before a coach K. I think very highly of the Duke program, but I prefer the calipari coached kids
Cousins is a pretty bad defender. So not all.
blkexec wrote:Knicks1969 wrote:Dukies are great college players, but never truly make it in the pros. Grant Hill is the only player who reached super-stardom, but due to health issue, his career took a downward turn. Thus, I would be very careful drafting Okafor
And that's just the opposite for Kentucky players. Especially at the critical positions of PG and Center. They usually shine in the NBA.
Yup, They have an arguably best center and another top 10 one, best pf, 5 top 15 pgs right now. It is insane.
