nixluva wrote:Great work DrAlphaeus!
Thanks guys! I'd love to see some sources for this "Melo and Chandler Beef" storyline as well...
mreinman wrote:lets not forget that Tyson was a complete no show in the playoffs for the knicks. that did not help his rep here.
We've had a lot of complete no show players in the playoffs though
Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:lets not forget that Tyson was a complete no show in the playoffs for the knicks. that did not help his rep here.
We've had a lot of complete no show players in the playoffs though
that does not excuse Tyson.
DrAlphaeus wrote:nixluva wrote:Great work DrAlphaeus!
Thanks guys! I'd love to see some sources for this "Melo and Chandler Beef" storyline as well...
So would I.
I know Melo talked about possibly joining Dallas, and that was after Tyson was traded there. I've never seen sources that they had a problem.
mreinman wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:lets not forget that Tyson was a complete no show in the playoffs for the knicks. that did not help his rep here.
We've had a lot of complete no show players in the playoffs though
that does not excuse Tyson.
OK but the point was that this has been a terrible organization that brings out the worst in most players
Bonn1997 wrote:DrAlphaeus wrote:nixluva wrote:Great work DrAlphaeus!
Thanks guys! I'd love to see some sources for this "Melo and Chandler Beef" storyline as well...
So would I.
I know Melo talked about possibly joining Dallas, and that was after Tyson was traded there. I've never seen sources that they had a problem.
And Melo did not realize that MDA had issues with him. Its not like the guy picks up on queue's.
Chandler, who has addressed the lack of ball movement on several occasions this season, did not mention Anthony by name either on Saturday or Sunday. But Chandler, who was badly outplayed by Pacers center Roy Hibbert in Game 3, seemed to be referring to his All-Star teammate when he said on Sunday that there were moments when “you want to take over the game or you want to make a big shot where you (should) stick to the game plan. A good team wins basketball games. Unless you’re a great, great, great, great individual…and we only have a few of those come through.”
Who do you think that he was talking about?
C'mon! Of course Tyson hated playing with Melo. He is a team player and Melo is frustrating to play with if you are a team player.
gunsnewing wrote:I hope Crush sees this. He really dragged Tyson's name through the mud with the perception that Woodson and TYSON did not get along. I wonder how Woodson feels about Shumpert? Another one who's name was dragged through the mud and like Tyson has the respects of his current teammates.The way I have always seen it is Tyson was the only one left who knew what it took to contend for a championship and he didn't agree with how Melo went about his business as the teams supposed star player. Melo proved Thson right last year and this year as well.
The Tyson trade was rushed because in order to resign Melo. They should've got a lot more back the. They did. Imagine what TYSON wouldve fetched at the deadline from Cleveland? We know at least 2
1st rd picks.
Question is who's to blame Dolan or Phil? I'm going to blame Dolan as Phil was very lukewarm on keeping Melo
I am surprised Woodson came out and endorsed Tyson. Seems like Tyson was dragging Woodson's name through the mud also. And there were photos and reports of Tyson chatting daily with Steve Mills about the team and Woodson. Also, Phil came in planning on moving the guy and made statements that implied Tyson was a part of the problem. I still feel the same way. Woodson handled the questions in a classy manner. Maybe he wasn't as bothered by Tyson's betrayal as I was.
CrushAlot wrote:gunsnewing wrote:I hope Crush sees this. He really dragged Tyson's name through the mud with the perception that Woodson and TYSON did not get along. I wonder how Woodson feels about Shumpert? Another one who's name was dragged through the mud and like Tyson has the respects of his current teammates.The way I have always seen it is Tyson was the only one left who knew what it took to contend for a championship and he didn't agree with how Melo went about his business as the teams supposed star player. Melo proved Thson right last year and this year as well.
The Tyson trade was rushed because in order to resign Melo. They should've got a lot more back the. They did. Imagine what TYSON wouldve fetched at the deadline from Cleveland? We know at least 2
1st rd picks.
Question is who's to blame Dolan or Phil? I'm going to blame Dolan as Phil was very lukewarm on keeping Melo
I am surprised Woodson came out and endorsed Tyson. Seems like Tyson was dragging Woodson's name through the mud also. And there were photos and reports of Tyson chatting daily with Steve Mills about the team and Woodson. Also, Phil came in planning on moving the guy and made statements that implied Tyson was a part of the problem. I still feel the same way. Woodson handled the questions in a classy manner. Maybe he wasn't as bothered by Tyson's betrayal as I was.
He is just using it to jab hard at phil. He knows that Tyson hated that he enabled Carmelo and JR.
mreinman wrote:Chandler, who has addressed the lack of ball movement on several occasions this season, did not mention Anthony by name either on Saturday or Sunday. But Chandler, who was badly outplayed by Pacers center Roy Hibbert in Game 3, seemed to be referring to his All-Star teammate when he said on Sunday that there were moments when “you want to take over the game or you want to make a big shot where you (should) stick to the game plan. A good team wins basketball games. Unless you’re a great, great, great, great individual…and we only have a few of those come through.”
Who do you think that he was talking about?
C'mon! Of course Tyson hated playing with Melo. He is a team player and Melo is frustrating to play with if you are a team player.
Yo, good question... what were the usage ratings or whatever advanced stat would best show which Knicks were abusing possession in that game? Not being facetious!
I was just trying to find that quote that explains the alleged beef. But:
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basket...
Maybe I like NBA because it's sorta WWF with the story lines, haha... Chandler leave Dallas and turns heel in the Eastern Conference! Melo is the heel to Lin the baby face... oh god.
DrAlphaeus wrote:mreinman wrote:Chandler, who has addressed the lack of ball movement on several occasions this season, did not mention Anthony by name either on Saturday or Sunday. But Chandler, who was badly outplayed by Pacers center Roy Hibbert in Game 3, seemed to be referring to his All-Star teammate when he said on Sunday that there were moments when “you want to take over the game or you want to make a big shot where you (should) stick to the game plan. A good team wins basketball games. Unless you’re a great, great, great, great individual…and we only have a few of those come through.”
Who do you think that he was talking about?
C'mon! Of course Tyson hated playing with Melo. He is a team player and Melo is frustrating to play with if you are a team player.
Yo, good question... what were the usage ratings or whatever advanced stat would best show which Knicks were abusing possession in that game? Not being facetious!
I was just trying to find that quote that explains the alleged beef. But:
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basket...
Maybe I like NBA because it's sorta WWF with the story lines, haha... Chandler leave Dallas and turns heel in the Eastern Conference! Melo is the heel to Lin the baby face... oh god.
Maybe Chandler thought that he should have taken more than 4 shots?
Starters MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS +/-
Carmelo Anthony 37:16 6 16 .375 1 1 1.000 8 11 .727 1 4 5 1 0 0 4 5 21 -16
Iman Shumpert 36:36 3 10 .300 0 1 .000 2 2 1.000 3 7 10 2 1 0 1 1 8 -5
Raymond Felton 33:54 1 8 .125 0 0 4 5 .800 1 2 3 2 2 0 3 2 6 -9
Tyson Chandler 29:54 3 4 .750 0 0 3 5 .600 1 4 5 0 0 3 1 5 9 -14
Pablo Prigioni 23:41 0 3 .000 0 2 .000 0 0 0 0 0 4 1 0 1 1 0 -6
Reserves MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS +/-
J.R. Smith 24:49 4 12 .333 0 3 .000 1 2 .500 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 2 9 -5
Jason Kidd 20:11 0 1 .000 0 1 .000 0 0 0 6 6 1 2 0 2 1 0 -16
Kenyon Martin 20:04 4 7 .571 0 0 0 0 2 5 7 1 1 0 1 4 8 +3
Amare Stoudemire 8:56 3 8 .375 1 1 1.000 0 0 3 0 3 0 0 0 1 2 7 0
Steve Novak 1:53 0 1 .000 0 1 .000 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 +5
Quentin Richardson 1:48 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 +5
Chris Copeland 0:58 1 1 1.000 1 1 1.000 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 +3
Team Totals 240 25 71 .352 3 11 .273 18 25 .720 11 30 41 11 7 3 14 23 71
DrAlphaeus wrote:nixluva wrote:Great work DrAlphaeus!
Thanks guys! I'd love to see some sources for this "Melo and Chandler Beef" storyline as well...
There aren't any. TripleThreat was posting that Zach Lowe wrote there was a beef between the two. I researched it because I had never heard anything about it and I try to read anything I can about the Knicks. Lowe did cite a Broussard story where Broussard had an 'nba source' say that CAA guys got better treatment in the locker room and that it created some animosity between CAA guys and non CAA guys. That 'nba source' story of Broussard's got turned into Zach Lowe saying there was beef between Melo and Tyson by TT.
crzymdups wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:I had no problem trading Chandler. However i do have a problem at what Phil got back in the trade. Not only didnt he get a first round pick back but he also took on Calderon's contract. We all know Tyson loves dallas and plays his best there. So we gave Dallas a rejuvinated Tysoin plus we took a bad contract off their hands
+1
People thought Roy Hibbert was the best center in the NBA after what he did to Tyson Chandler.
Close thread.
Roy Hibbert was the best center in the NBA that season. By far. He had some weird depression issues or something and then this season was lost because of all their injuries (though they're still making the playoffs!) - but the guy is still a beast.
Wasn't it attributed at least in part to Paul George being with his girl?
nyk4ever wrote:tyson played like a pussy last year, he quit on the team and voiced his issues defensively in the media instead of with woodson privately. i have no problem with tyson being traded, he's always been a front-runner and still is.
Totally agree. Not a single day has passed where I have regretted this guy being gone from the Knicks.
mreinman wrote:Chandler, who has addressed the lack of ball movement on several occasions this season, did not mention Anthony by name either on Saturday or Sunday. But Chandler, who was badly outplayed by Pacers center Roy Hibbert in Game 3, seemed to be referring to his All-Star teammate when he said on Sunday that there were moments when “you want to take over the game or you want to make a big shot where you (should) stick to the game plan. A good team wins basketball games. Unless you’re a great, great, great, great individual…and we only have a few of those come through.”
Who do you think that he was talking about?
C'mon! Of course Tyson hated playing with Melo. He is a team player and Melo is frustrating to play with if you are a team player.
Maybe if the former 2nd overall pick developed his game then he could have have been skilled or capable of helping offensively creating for others and creating this ball movement.
Tyson Chandler with his 0.8 ast per game wants to talk about ball movement.
Where's that article where after a horrifically bad showing in the playoffs, tyson blasted everyone else on the team and excused himself claiming he wasn't at all to blame because he left it all on the court- that was the one that soured me against him. I think it was after the pacers series.
And can we have the picture of tyson mighty legs in the off-season (ironically right before he broke one of them)
GustavBahler wrote:Tyson's trade value was in the cellar, wasn't exactly a bidding war going on for someone who couldnt stay healthy, and threw his teammates under the bus while ignoring his own sorry play. Woodson was mailing it in as well by the time he left, should have been fighting for his job.
All of that could've been said about Omer Asik and somehow the Rockets received a first rounder and $8 million in cap relief ($15 million in actual expenses) for him. Chandler's value should've easily surpassed that.
nyk4ever wrote:tyson played like a pussy last year, he quit on the team and voiced his issues defensively in the media instead of with woodson privately. i have no problem with tyson being traded, he's always been a front-runner and still is.
That doesn't mean you dump him for anything or shoot yourself in the foot during the process...
crzymdups wrote:nyk4ever wrote:gunsnewing wrote:crzymdups wrote:Dude came back IN-SEASON from a BROKEN LEG.And led the Knicks to a 16-5 finish.
That was more Amare. Remember Tyson left the team for a handful of games late in the year and the reason was never disclosed. He was not fully engaged. The feud with Melo was too strong at that point
LOL you're making this a carmelo thing? you're starting to sound like splat.
if tyson gets disengaged because of his feelings being hurt by melo, then he truly is even more of a pussy than i thought.
Tyson is an NBA Champion. Raise your hand if you think Melo will ever even play in the Finals.
Uh, Melo definitely has the talent/skill to be a starter on a championship team. Will he ever get teammates good enough to help him get there is the question.
