Jahill looked great had 3 dunks 3 blocks barely missed a shot and ran the floor much better than this weekend. He was powerful smooth and nimble. He had a poor weekend but it's not hard to remember how skilled he is from the NBA 4 position. He'll be able to extend his range out over time and he will be a great 4 man in this league a long time. Jahill is NOT a center he is NOT a 7 footer--hes a 4 man and so is Towns. And this is not a comparison post Towns/Okafor. This is just a reminder what this guy is. Im sure they will lock this down as a bad weekend where he was really doubled hard one game and did not play up to standard in game #2--I really think more by his own fault than anyone causing problems for him. He just didnt play hard enough IMHO. But for the most part he has played hard consistent and well all year. If people want to think this is the next Patrick etc... WRONG he is NOT a 5 man will not be a 5 man in the NBA. But he is a big 4 man and he has a lot of skills=--consistent high % skills. Whatever team take shim must emphasize with him the need to play 110% at all times to be in the shape to go 110% all times and to play angry yet controlled.
callmened@ 3/30/2015 4:30 AM
if you think hes a 4 then that scares me. in todays game 4s are supposed to be stretch 4 that can hit mid range jumpers and space the court for guards. especially in the triangle u need a big who can hit jumpers. you cant go wrong with either okafor or towns but i prefer towns cuz he has more versatility in his game. he can post, shoot, foul shoot, defend and rebound.
RonRon@ 3/30/2015 2:31 PM
Really have trouble going with OK4 or Towns, it really depends on who you pair them up with in addition to the system/team's talents
Justice Winslow and Mario Henzo
Frank Kaminski/Willey Stein
IF we are able to move CA to either LA or Houston, I would rebuild with this FA class and younger players as our foundation, while utilizing the 20m bump in salaries next season for finishing the identity/makeup of the team, especially with Whiteside/Durant Horford/Pau Gasol and many others....
Just so many possiblities and combos to have moving forward With Thanasis defensive upside as well, especially if we can add Draymond Green and Danny Green/Wesley Matthews/Corey Joseph
RonRon@ 3/30/2015 2:36 PM
callmened wrote:if you think hes a 4 then that scares me. in todays game 4s are supposed to be stretch 4 that can hit mid range jumpers and space the court for guards. especially in the triangle u need a big who can hit jumpers. you cant go wrong with either okafor or towns but i prefer towns cuz he has more versatility in his game. he can post, shoot, foul shoot, defend and rebound.
I agree, Tim Duncan was a Center that was able to play PF because they had a young versatile David Robinson, in addition to their combinations that complimented their defensive abilities, mobility/athleiticism/length/size and soft touch of both players and HIGH IQ/PASSING ABILITY/UNSELFISHNESS
but we just cannot say that OK4 is PF, he is much closer to a Center at this point....
BRIGGS@ 3/30/2015 2:37 PM
RonRon wrote:Really have trouble going with OK4 or Towns, it really depends on who you pair them up with in addition to the system/team's talents
Justice Winslow and Mario Henzo
Frank Kaminski/Willey Stein
IF we are able to move CA to either LA or Houston, I would rebuild with this FA class and younger players as our foundation, while utilizing the 20m bump in salaries next season for finishing the identity/makeup of the team, especially with Whiteside/Durant Horford/Pau Gasol and many others....
Just so many possiblities and combos to have moving forward With Thanasis defensive upside as well, especially if we can add Draymond Green and Danny Green/Wesley Matthews/Corey Joseph
Ron--don't drop it on ok4 watch what he does in the NBA when he has oodles of space. His jumper will get better and he will be one hard man to guard. We saw him in very limited space with 7 footers all over him in the back and guards hedging over him all weekend. I dont think he was very good this weekend no matter what but Ive seen enough of him. I know he needs to pick it up a bit on the D get his body tighter(maybe 10 pounds less?) but he has innate skills.
mreinman@ 3/30/2015 2:40 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
Jahill looked great had 3 dunks 3 blocks barely missed a shot and ran the floor much better than this weekend. He was powerful smooth and nimble. He had a poor weekend but it's not hard to remember how skilled he is from the NBA 4 position. He'll be able to extend his range out over time and he will be a great 4 man in this league a long time. Jahill is NOT a center he is NOT a 7 footer--hes a 4 man and so is Towns. And this is not a comparison post Towns/Okafor. This is just a reminder what this guy is. Im sure they will lock this down as a bad weekend where he was really doubled hard one game and did not play up to standard in game #2--I really think more by his own fault than anyone causing problems for him. He just didnt play hard enough IMHO. But for the most part he has played hard consistent and well all year. If people want to think this is the next Patrick etc... WRONG he is NOT a 5 man will not be a 5 man in the NBA. But he is a big 4 man and he has a lot of skills=--consistent high % skills. Whatever team take shim must emphasize with him the need to play 110% at all times to be in the shape to go 110% all times and to play angry yet controlled.
I don't think that one game should define a player but it is a red flag that he just did not give it his all in such a big game. I agree with you and I felt that he just did not seem to be all in. No fire. And, I don't think that he was getting so many hard doubles and triple teams.
Vmart@ 3/30/2015 2:41 PM
OK4 is drawing so much attention he is basically opening the door for others.
mreinman@ 3/30/2015 2:41 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
RonRon wrote:Really have trouble going with OK4 or Towns, it really depends on who you pair them up with in addition to the system/team's talents
Justice Winslow and Mario Henzo
Frank Kaminski/Willey Stein
IF we are able to move CA to either LA or Houston, I would rebuild with this FA class and younger players as our foundation, while utilizing the 20m bump in salaries next season for finishing the identity/makeup of the team, especially with Whiteside/Durant Horford/Pau Gasol and many others....
Just so many possiblities and combos to have moving forward With Thanasis defensive upside as well, especially if we can add Draymond Green and Danny Green/Wesley Matthews/Corey Joseph
Ron--don't drop it on ok4 watch what he does in the NBA when he has oodles of space. His jumper will get better and he will be one hard man to guard. We saw him in very limited space with 7 footers all over him in the back and guards hedging over him all weekend. I dont think he was very good this weekend no matter what but Ive seen enough of him. I know he needs to pick it up a bit on the D get his body tighter(maybe 10 pounds less?) but he has innate skills.
not sure about his jumper getting better / further so that he can be a true stretch. His terrible FT shooting is alarming as well.
BRIGGS@ 3/30/2015 2:46 PM
Vmart wrote:OK4 is drawing so much attention he is basically opening the door for others.
Will see his next game against Michigan State. He dominated them in their first game--we'll see how his body reacts. Im not going to doubt a big dude like that with all the attention he gets as freshmen is wearing him a tad now.
NardDogNation@ 3/30/2015 2:52 PM
Why can't he just be a 5 that we cross-match on defense, next to a shotblocker?
Nalod@ 3/30/2015 2:56 PM
OKa4 is clearly a very polished offenisve force. Gonzaga threw some big boys at him and I liked when he passed out. This is a big kid with great footwork and fundamentals.
At 19 both him and Towns are still teenagers. anthony Davis now just 21 was starting to show his potential after growing into the league. These kids get injured and need to fillout. I'd bring either along slowly instead of starphucking them short term. They should stay in school!!!!
But they won't.
I trust either will be just fine and can't say without a good youtube with the proper soundtrack which one I like better.
Finestrg@ 3/30/2015 3:06 PM
NardDogNation wrote:Why can't he just be a 5 that we cross-match on defense, next to a shotblocker?
I don't think it matters much. 4, 5 -- what's the real difference? A lot of it will depend on matchups and what we come up with to put next to an Okafor or Towns (hopefully we're lucky enough to get either guy--I don't wanna sound presumptuous. We're gonna need some good luck for a change to get either guy even finishing with the worst record). Look at STAT -- He had his best year for us that 1st year primarily playing the 5. Just looking at him and what type of player he is (was), technically he's a PF but he excelled playing 5 on that team (mainly because we wanted to make room for other guys in the lineup -- Gallinari, Wilson Chandler...Then once we got Tyson, the prototypical 5, the plan was to have STAT shift back over to 4. Then STAT suffers injuries, starts coming off the bench, is never the same after awhile anyway and the rest is history...How 'bout this -- suppose we got Okafor and insisted on still using Melo at 4 (I don't care for that but the Knicks seem to like it). Then the frontcourt lineup could likely be Okafor 5, Melo 4 and Early or someone else we come up with at 3. Or, we come up with another big C type that could shift everyone over a spot and bump Melo to 3. It depends on who they get in FA or trade and what they envision--what positions others will play and what other personnel we come up that we'd want to put next to Okafor. I think he's big enough to play either position. Like Towns, Okafor may not be done growing as well. Also, on the defensive end, he may matchup better against some 5s -- do we want him playing Tyson Chandler and trying to keep him off the glass or trying to guard Dirk Nowitzki?
nixluva@ 3/30/2015 3:15 PM
Can't go wrong with either OK4 or Towns. With OK4 I think he's tailored made for the strong side triangle post position. He'd be in the Shaq role basically. Get low and close to the basket and force teams to have to cover too much distance on Defense. The spacing in the NBA is better than college. OK4 can anchor an offense. With Towns he'd be functional on offense but i'm not sure he'd be able to hold his position in the post as easily in the NBA. He'd have to move around a bit more and try to catch defenses off guard. KAT would be able to anchor our defense tho so it's good wither way. We'd be good with either player.
