mreinman wrote:these are the types of guys that we need to find.
My God we bypassed him like the plague at #24.
BRIGGS@ 3/30/2015 7:26 PM
BRIGGS Posts: 42658 Alba Posts: 8 Joined: 7/30/2002 Member: #303
6/26/2013 2:24 AM LAST EDITED: 6/26/2013 2:30 AM
I implore the Knicks to keep it simple. Draft Mike Muscala. I fully understand that the man needs 15 pounds(although he is 230+ now and by no means a a guy who needs rediculous body work)
After that lets take a look. We are playing with fire with our thin non offensive FC.
We have a C with NO offensive game we have Amare who cannot play more than 24 minutes and we have no idea how long he will hold up. Weve played carmelo out of position and while he can do that for parts of game--he will wear down. Its rare to find a 6-11 F with this mans offensive skills so late in the draft. You can find 6-6 SG in the D league--you can bring over 6-8 foreign players you can find sf's but baby 6-11 skill post players DO not grow on trees(either draft trade or free agency). Look at his skills he has an array of advanced post moves and an outside shot to 24 feet. When he is physically a finished product--he will be an inside outside monster. The ONLY reason why he is NOT top 5 is that 15 pounds they didnt physically train him right at Bucknell. And still he was the leading rebounder in the nation. We have a chance to solidify the 4 spot for 12 years--take your leverage and do it. I believe we can find a high quality PG in the 2nd round. The two hardest positions to find--a skilled big man and a quality PG--I believe we have the ability to do it. I wish I had the opportunity to make a few of these calls through the years not for any self adulation--but wed have better teams. Right on this board and the ole NYK I have predicted guys like Mike redd Wade Bosh kaman Stoudemire Bynum Vucevic i even wrote about picking Nate robinson 30 the year we took him 21. But this is an easy one this isnt hard this man has all the skills hes not 7-0 265 like Vucevic or Kaman hes a 4 but hes one heckuva prospect you do not find at 24. Lets add a PF and a PG to our roster--make some other small deals grab the best undrafted SL player and smart NBA minimum vets and lets go. This is a smart conservative pick. At WORST this man is a highly productive player as a third big in a 9 man rotation. At best this is a 20-10 PF for years
Nalod@ 3/31/2015 10:06 AM
I wish I had the opportunity to make a few of these calls through the years not for any self adulation--but wed have better teams.
You have a healthy ego. .
mreinman@ 3/31/2015 11:28 AM
Nalod wrote:
I wish I had the opportunity to make a few of these calls through the years not for any self adulation--but wed have better teams.
You have a healthy ego. .
hahahaha ... you think?
Nalod@ 3/31/2015 12:07 PM
mreinman wrote:
Nalod wrote:
I wish I had the opportunity to make a few of these calls through the years not for any self adulation--but wed have better teams.
You have a healthy ego. .
hahahaha ... you think?
Briggs is beyond reproach. Pure knick love.
mreinman@ 3/31/2015 12:09 PM
Nalod wrote:
mreinman wrote:
Nalod wrote:
I wish I had the opportunity to make a few of these calls through the years not for any self adulation--but wed have better teams.
You have a healthy ego. .
hahahaha ... you think?
Briggs is beyond reproach. Pure knick love.
You are an idiot - I LOVE THE KNICKS!
Nalod@ 3/31/2015 12:25 PM
Nalod has 3 of the final 4 in the NCAA. My neighbors wife washed my feet in reverance. Warm soapy water using a soft cloth. Was wonderful.
I wanted Knicks to draft curry and wouldn't you know GS read my posts and took him just ahead of us. I blame Walsh actually, I said knicks should trade up!!!! I think when they read that we should move up is when GS also made thier pick. They didn't know they wanted him until I said that.
My phone number is unlisted. Otherwise Phil would have called by now. Nalod is not my real name!!!
BRIGGS@ 4/8/2015 11:55 AM
What a mistake this was. Muscala look like a better version of Kaminsky more athletic. In could be sitting in a Knicks jersey. We also missed on Taveras when Phil had every chance to grab him? We needed a shot blocker why wouldnt we take a 7-3 270 pound player? Did we even look at him? I know we got our picks at the last minute but wouldnt a shot blocker C take privvy over a SF who played PF in college?
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nixluva@ 4/8/2015 12:05 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
What a mistake this was. Muscala look like a better version of Kaminsky more athletic. In could be sitting in a Knicks jersey. We also missed on Taveras when Phil had every chance to grab him? We needed a shot blocker why wouldnt we take a 7-3 270 pound player? Did we even look at him? I know we got our picks at the last minute but wouldnt a shot blocker C take privvy over a SF who played PF in college?
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I would slow down on the criticism of the Knicks scouting given the short turn around of last summer. It's possible they just didn't have enough info on Taveras or maybe just didn't like him. In any event I doubt that they are unaware of most of the talent that is out there now. It's not realistic to think they'll get everyone worth going after. Every year teams miss on lots of players that end up on other teams. It's gonna happen. Maybe they will target Muscala this summer.
BRIGGS@ 4/8/2015 12:09 PM
nixluva wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
What a mistake this was. Muscala look like a better version of Kaminsky more athletic. In could be sitting in a Knicks jersey. We also missed on Taveras when Phil had every chance to grab him? We needed a shot blocker why wouldnt we take a 7-3 270 pound player? Did we even look at him? I know we got our picks at the last minute but wouldnt a shot blocker C take privvy over a SF who played PF in college?
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I would slow down on the criticism of the Knicks scouting given the short turn around of last summer. It's possible they just didn't have enough info on Taveras or maybe just didn't like him. In any event I doubt that they are unaware of most of the talent that is out there now. It's not realistic to think they'll get everyone worth going after. Every year teams miss on lots of players that end up on other teams. It's gonna happen. Maybe they will target Muscala this summer.
INixluva--I think we can do some of this with these raw guys--but we need to up the ante with our vets. We dont need Admundson Jason Smith and Lance Thomas. We cant have bad vets and raw newbies. Also when I watch this--if we do get pick 3 or 4--maybe it would be smart to trade down just a tad to get Kamimsky?
mreinman@ 4/8/2015 12:17 PM
nixluva wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
What a mistake this was. Muscala look like a better version of Kaminsky more athletic. In could be sitting in a Knicks jersey. We also missed on Taveras when Phil had every chance to grab him? We needed a shot blocker why wouldnt we take a 7-3 270 pound player? Did we even look at him? I know we got our picks at the last minute but wouldnt a shot blocker C take privvy over a SF who played PF in college?
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I would slow down on the criticism of the Knicks scouting given the short turn around of last summer. It's possible they just didn't have enough info on Taveras or maybe just didn't like him. In any event I doubt that they are unaware of most of the talent that is out there now. It's not realistic to think they'll get everyone worth going after. Every year teams miss on lots of players that end up on other teams. It's gonna happen. Maybe they will target Muscala this summer.
or its possible that the Knicks FO has just done a terrible job and have pretty much missed on every move that they have made.
too early to judge? Yes. Its a 5 round fight and in round one they got knocked down 10 times. But now, they have an open gash on top of their left eye that may be hard to close up and finish the fight.
nixluva@ 4/8/2015 12:18 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
nixluva wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
What a mistake this was. Muscala look like a better version of Kaminsky more athletic. In could be sitting in a Knicks jersey. We also missed on Taveras when Phil had every chance to grab him? We needed a shot blocker why wouldnt we take a 7-3 270 pound player? Did we even look at him? I know we got our picks at the last minute but wouldnt a shot blocker C take privvy over a SF who played PF in college?
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I would slow down on the criticism of the Knicks scouting given the short turn around of last summer. It's possible they just didn't have enough info on Taveras or maybe just didn't like him. In any event I doubt that they are unaware of most of the talent that is out there now. It's not realistic to think they'll get everyone worth going after. Every year teams miss on lots of players that end up on other teams. It's gonna happen. Maybe they will target Muscala this summer.
INixluva--I think we can do some of this with these raw guys--but we need to up the ante with our vets. We dont need Admundson Jason Smith and Lance Thomas. We cant have bad vets and raw newbies. Also when I watch this--if we do get pick 3 or 4--maybe it would be smart to trade down just a tad to get Kamimsky?
I think Phil and his staff are preparing to load up this roster with as much quality depth as they can and only fill in the back of the roster with guys like Thomas or Amundson after they've finished loading up on better players. That's the vibe i'm getting from their statements. They mention foreign players with reasonable buyouts as well as US Free Agents. My guess is they already have a very detailed list of quality targets.
nixluva@ 4/8/2015 12:24 PM
mreinman wrote:
nixluva wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
What a mistake this was. Muscala look like a better version of Kaminsky more athletic. In could be sitting in a Knicks jersey. We also missed on Taveras when Phil had every chance to grab him? We needed a shot blocker why wouldnt we take a 7-3 270 pound player? Did we even look at him? I know we got our picks at the last minute but wouldnt a shot blocker C take privvy over a SF who played PF in college?
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I would slow down on the criticism of the Knicks scouting given the short turn around of last summer. It's possible they just didn't have enough info on Taveras or maybe just didn't like him. In any event I doubt that they are unaware of most of the talent that is out there now. It's not realistic to think they'll get everyone worth going after. Every year teams miss on lots of players that end up on other teams. It's gonna happen. Maybe they will target Muscala this summer.
or its possible that the Knicks FO has just done a terrible job and have pretty much missed on every move that they have made.
too early to judge? Yes. Its a 5 round fight and in round one they got knocked down 10 times.
They didn't have a lot of good options to begin with. Maybe they could've done better, but they did have limited options. That's why everyone was looking towards this summer when they'd have the best ability to go after the players whey really want. I think they've done well considering what they were working with. A few mistakes don't define a GM this early in his tenure. I think too much is made of the moves made so far. Let's see how things transpire this summer and next season.
smackeddog@ 4/8/2015 12:29 PM
mreinman wrote:
nixluva wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
What a mistake this was. Muscala look like a better version of Kaminsky more athletic. In could be sitting in a Knicks jersey. We also missed on Taveras when Phil had every chance to grab him? We needed a shot blocker why wouldnt we take a 7-3 270 pound player? Did we even look at him? I know we got our picks at the last minute but wouldnt a shot blocker C take privvy over a SF who played PF in college?
.
I would slow down on the criticism of the Knicks scouting given the short turn around of last summer. It's possible they just didn't have enough info on Taveras or maybe just didn't like him. In any event I doubt that they are unaware of most of the talent that is out there now. It's not realistic to think they'll get everyone worth going after. Every year teams miss on lots of players that end up on other teams. It's gonna happen. Maybe they will target Muscala this summer.
or its possible that the Knicks FO has just done a terrible job and have pretty much missed on every move that they have made.
too early to judge? Yes. Its a 5 round fight and in round one they got knocked down 10 times. But now, they have an open gash on top of their left eye that may be hard to close up and finish the fight.
Just like the 76ers, but you seem to give them a pass on everything and are willing to be more patient with them!
Judge the knicks after this off-season, no point in doing it now. No team is going to find every diamond in the rough, it's silly to judge them on that. We found Galloway, Shved, Ledo and Wear (who I think will be okay next year) - that's good enough. Also Thannasis and Early may turn into contributors in time. How many teams find more than one diamond in the rough in one season?
Why does Muscala get a couple of seasons to develop, but our players are judged after a few months?
nixluva@ 4/8/2015 12:50 PM
smackeddog wrote:Why does Muscala get a couple of seasons to develop, but our players are judged after a few months?
THANK YOU!!! It's something i've been harping on with guys on this forum. We haven't heard anything from Muscala until now and if he was a Knick they would've been looking to ship his ass out of town long ago.
Tell me this guy wouldn't have been DESTROYED here in NY with this kind of production! We don't have patient fans and they would've been killing this guy already.
What a mistake this was. Muscala look like a better version of Kaminsky more athletic. In could be sitting in a Knicks jersey. We also missed on Taveras when Phil had every chance to grab him? We needed a shot blocker why wouldnt we take a 7-3 270 pound player? Did we even look at him? I know we got our picks at the last minute but wouldnt a shot blocker C take privvy over a SF who played PF in college?
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I would slow down on the criticism of the Knicks scouting given the short turn around of last summer. It's possible they just didn't have enough info on Taveras or maybe just didn't like him. In any event I doubt that they are unaware of most of the talent that is out there now. It's not realistic to think they'll get everyone worth going after. Every year teams miss on lots of players that end up on other teams. It's gonna happen. Maybe they will target Muscala this summer.
or its possible that the Knicks FO has just done a terrible job and have pretty much missed on every move that they have made.
too early to judge? Yes. Its a 5 round fight and in round one they got knocked down 10 times. But now, they have an open gash on top of their left eye that may be hard to close up and finish the fight.
Just like the 76ers, but you seem to give them a pass on everything and are willing to be more patient with them!
Judge the knicks after this off-season, no point in doing it now. No team is going to find every diamond in the rough, it's silly to judge them on that. We found Galloway, Shved, Ledo and Wear (who I think will be okay next year) - that's good enough. Also Thannasis and Early may turn into contributors in time. How many teams find more than one diamond in the rough in one season?
Why does Muscala get a couple of seasons to develop, but our players are judged after a few months?
how do I give Philly a pass?
I just think that they are giving themselves many chances to fail and not waiting for their players to completely deflate themselves of value before they get rid of them. How have they failed? They still need to prove themselves but they have not failed and have given themselves numerous chances to succeed.
Hard to sell Philly to FA's so any GM there is already behind the 8 ball.
Who on our team to you feel is being judged too early? Timmy? You can pick up any player off the scraps and say that they should not be judged.
Muscala was able to be brought along because they had enough good players in place so that they did not need to rely on him. We have nothing in place aside from Melo who does not seem to be a player who will make others that much better. If Melo is hitting HIS shots then great ... perhaps the supporting cast can do some dirty work. If he is not, then he will keep on shooting and we are fukked and it makes no difference who his teammates are.
Melo is the big leak ... if Phil can somehow fix him then we can be really good. Can he fix him? Year one says no ... melo don't wanna be fixed. Check Mate to Melo.
BRIGGS@ 4/8/2015 1:26 PM
smackeddog wrote:
mreinman wrote:
nixluva wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
What a mistake this was. Muscala look like a better version of Kaminsky more athletic. In could be sitting in a Knicks jersey. We also missed on Taveras when Phil had every chance to grab him? We needed a shot blocker why wouldnt we take a 7-3 270 pound player? Did we even look at him? I know we got our picks at the last minute but wouldnt a shot blocker C take privvy over a SF who played PF in college?
.
I would slow down on the criticism of the Knicks scouting given the short turn around of last summer. It's possible they just didn't have enough info on Taveras or maybe just didn't like him. In any event I doubt that they are unaware of most of the talent that is out there now. It's not realistic to think they'll get everyone worth going after. Every year teams miss on lots of players that end up on other teams. It's gonna happen. Maybe they will target Muscala this summer.
or its possible that the Knicks FO has just done a terrible job and have pretty much missed on every move that they have made.
too early to judge? Yes. Its a 5 round fight and in round one they got knocked down 10 times. But now, they have an open gash on top of their left eye that may be hard to close up and finish the fight.
Just like the 76ers, but you seem to give them a pass on everything and are willing to be more patient with them!
Judge the knicks after this off-season, no point in doing it now. No team is going to find every diamond in the rough, it's silly to judge them on that. We found Galloway, Shved, Ledo and Wear (who I think will be okay next year) - that's good enough. Also Thannasis and Early may turn into contributors in time. How many teams find more than one diamond in the rough in one season?
Why does Muscala get a couple of seasons to develop, but our players are judged after a few months?
Our pick there is Timmy Hardaway---give him all the time he needs. I still think the near 7 foot skill player was a higher need.
holfresh@ 4/8/2015 1:29 PM
The infatuation with these end of the bench guys and D leaguers is truly mind boggling...
Nalod@ 4/8/2015 2:07 PM
Does Muscala make AtL better, or does ATL being a good team make Muscala better?
ATL has its identity and has been getting better each of the last few years. JR looks better on Clev. Muscala has developed nice. Yeah, its a shame we missed him. How many others we missed and are no where as well?
