mreinman wrote:BRIGGS wrote:codeunknown wrote:mreinman wrote:codeunknown wrote:mreinman wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:crzymdups wrote:fishmike wrote:one of the things you have to like about Monroe is we cant phuck this up too bad. Worst case we overpay for a productive big who is very durable and start him around $15mm.
He's an offensive big man who shoots under 50% and can't hit the mid-range jumper
I think there are worse ways to spend $15M... (Bargnani, Eddy Curry, etc) but not too many.
You just described Boogie Cousins. Greg might not shoot over 50% but he still has decent efficiency for a post big,
he is brutal outside of 3 feet.
I don't like Monroe on this team with Melo - it's a spacing nightmare. You can also expect, with Melo, a certain degree of poor shot selection and I want the best rebounder cleaning up the mess. To me, Deandre Jordan is that player.
dont want jordan. thats tyson all over again.
I want a stretch 4.
Jordan would be your 5, not precluding a shooting 4. Monroe is a 4, leaving you needing a shooting and defensive 5 - other than Towns, you're left and high and dry.
I'd take Jordan problem is there is no chance he'd sign here
so you like Jordan but you don't care for Stein?
Is that surprising to you?
Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:BRIGGS wrote:codeunknown wrote:mreinman wrote:codeunknown wrote:mreinman wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:crzymdups wrote:fishmike wrote:one of the things you have to like about Monroe is we cant phuck this up too bad. Worst case we overpay for a productive big who is very durable and start him around $15mm.
He's an offensive big man who shoots under 50% and can't hit the mid-range jumper
I think there are worse ways to spend $15M... (Bargnani, Eddy Curry, etc) but not too many.
You just described Boogie Cousins. Greg might not shoot over 50% but he still has decent efficiency for a post big,
he is brutal outside of 3 feet.
I don't like Monroe on this team with Melo - it's a spacing nightmare. You can also expect, with Melo, a certain degree of poor shot selection and I want the best rebounder cleaning up the mess. To me, Deandre Jordan is that player.
dont want jordan. thats tyson all over again.
I want a stretch 4.
Jordan would be your 5, not precluding a shooting 4. Monroe is a 4, leaving you needing a shooting and defensive 5 - other than Towns, you're left and high and dry.
I'd take Jordan problem is there is no chance he'd sign here
so you like Jordan but you don't care for Stein?
Is that surprising to you?
Yes. Its not to you?
mreinman wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:BRIGGS wrote:codeunknown wrote:mreinman wrote:codeunknown wrote:mreinman wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:crzymdups wrote:fishmike wrote:one of the things you have to like about Monroe is we cant phuck this up too bad. Worst case we overpay for a productive big who is very durable and start him around $15mm.
He's an offensive big man who shoots under 50% and can't hit the mid-range jumper
I think there are worse ways to spend $15M... (Bargnani, Eddy Curry, etc) but not too many.
You just described Boogie Cousins. Greg might not shoot over 50% but he still has decent efficiency for a post big,
he is brutal outside of 3 feet.
I don't like Monroe on this team with Melo - it's a spacing nightmare. You can also expect, with Melo, a certain degree of poor shot selection and I want the best rebounder cleaning up the mess. To me, Deandre Jordan is that player.
dont want jordan. thats tyson all over again.
I want a stretch 4.
Jordan would be your 5, not precluding a shooting 4. Monroe is a 4, leaving you needing a shooting and defensive 5 - other than Towns, you're left and high and dry.
I'd take Jordan problem is there is no chance he'd sign here
so you like Jordan but you don't care for Stein?
Is that surprising to you?
Yes. Its not to you?
No. One guy averages 9 pts, 6 rbs against college opponents. The other averages 12 pts, 15 rbs against NBA opponents.
Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:BRIGGS wrote:codeunknown wrote:mreinman wrote:codeunknown wrote:mreinman wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:crzymdups wrote:fishmike wrote:one of the things you have to like about Monroe is we cant phuck this up too bad. Worst case we overpay for a productive big who is very durable and start him around $15mm.
He's an offensive big man who shoots under 50% and can't hit the mid-range jumper
I think there are worse ways to spend $15M... (Bargnani, Eddy Curry, etc) but not too many.
You just described Boogie Cousins. Greg might not shoot over 50% but he still has decent efficiency for a post big,
he is brutal outside of 3 feet.
I don't like Monroe on this team with Melo - it's a spacing nightmare. You can also expect, with Melo, a certain degree of poor shot selection and I want the best rebounder cleaning up the mess. To me, Deandre Jordan is that player.
dont want jordan. thats tyson all over again.
I want a stretch 4.
Jordan would be your 5, not precluding a shooting 4. Monroe is a 4, leaving you needing a shooting and defensive 5 - other than Towns, you're left and high and dry.
I'd take Jordan problem is there is no chance he'd sign here
so you like Jordan but you don't care for Stein?
Is that surprising to you?
Yes. Its not to you?
No. One guy averages 9 pts, 6 rbs against college opponents. The other averages 12 pts, 15 rbs against NBA opponents.
9 and 6 on KY is like 25 and 15. Guns has a formula and can explain this to you
Monroe was invisible last night...I didn't even notice him in the first quarter...Very low impact guy...
Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:BRIGGS wrote:codeunknown wrote:mreinman wrote:codeunknown wrote:mreinman wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:crzymdups wrote:fishmike wrote:one of the things you have to like about Monroe is we cant phuck this up too bad. Worst case we overpay for a productive big who is very durable and start him around $15mm.
He's an offensive big man who shoots under 50% and can't hit the mid-range jumper
I think there are worse ways to spend $15M... (Bargnani, Eddy Curry, etc) but not too many.
You just described Boogie Cousins. Greg might not shoot over 50% but he still has decent efficiency for a post big,
he is brutal outside of 3 feet.
I don't like Monroe on this team with Melo - it's a spacing nightmare. You can also expect, with Melo, a certain degree of poor shot selection and I want the best rebounder cleaning up the mess. To me, Deandre Jordan is that player.
dont want jordan. thats tyson all over again.
I want a stretch 4.
Jordan would be your 5, not precluding a shooting 4. Monroe is a 4, leaving you needing a shooting and defensive 5 - other than Towns, you're left and high and dry.
I'd take Jordan problem is there is no chance he'd sign here
so you like Jordan but you don't care for Stein?
Is that surprising to you?
Yes. Its not to you?
No. One guy averages 9 pts, 6 rbs against college opponents. The other averages 12 pts, 15 rbs against NBA opponents.
To be fair DeAndre Jordan also averaged around 4 pts and 5 rebs his first two seasons in the nba, 7 and 7 in his third year, 7 and 8 the year after, 8 and 7 the year after that. Oh and his college stats? 7.9pts and 6 rebounds.
smackeddog wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:BRIGGS wrote:codeunknown wrote:mreinman wrote:codeunknown wrote:mreinman wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:crzymdups wrote:fishmike wrote:one of the things you have to like about Monroe is we cant phuck this up too bad. Worst case we overpay for a productive big who is very durable and start him around $15mm.
He's an offensive big man who shoots under 50% and can't hit the mid-range jumper
I think there are worse ways to spend $15M... (Bargnani, Eddy Curry, etc) but not too many.
You just described Boogie Cousins. Greg might not shoot over 50% but he still has decent efficiency for a post big,
he is brutal outside of 3 feet.
I don't like Monroe on this team with Melo - it's a spacing nightmare. You can also expect, with Melo, a certain degree of poor shot selection and I want the best rebounder cleaning up the mess. To me, Deandre Jordan is that player.
dont want jordan. thats tyson all over again.
I want a stretch 4.
Jordan would be your 5, not precluding a shooting 4. Monroe is a 4, leaving you needing a shooting and defensive 5 - other than Towns, you're left and high and dry.
I'd take Jordan problem is there is no chance he'd sign here
so you like Jordan but you don't care for Stein?
Is that surprising to you?
Yes. Its not to you?
No. One guy averages 9 pts, 6 rbs against college opponents. The other averages 12 pts, 15 rbs against NBA opponents.
To be fair DeAndre Jordan also averaged around 4 pts and 5 rebs his first two seasons in the nba, 7 and 7 in his third year, 7 and 8 the year after, 8 and 7 the year after that. Oh and his college stats? 7.9pts and 6 rebounds.
Don't tell fish that. According to him when you are the best player on your college team you should dominate the stat sheet
holfresh wrote:Monroe was invisible last night...I didn't even notice him in the first quarter...Very low impact guy...
The problem is that since Drummond can't shoot at all, he has to play the low post position and that forces Monroe to hang around the perimeter away from the basket. This is mainly the case because their offense isn't like the Triangle which is designed to have two post players. So Monroe is spending too much time away from the basket setting screens as if he's a PnP big. The only time he can really post is if he's in there alone without Drummond. Here's an example of what I mean. Drummond is in the post and Monroe is up top setting a screen. This is not an ideal situation for him.
On the Knicks Monroe would be in the Triangle Post position where he can be close to the basket and be much more effective and get lots of touches with the ability to pass or score. It's the proper way to use him and it fits this offense. He'd still be a weak rim protector but he'd be a MUCH more effective overall player in the Triangle.
nixluva wrote:holfresh wrote:Monroe was invisible last night...I didn't even notice him in the first quarter...Very low impact guy...
The problem is that since Drummond can't shoot at all, he has to play the low post position and that forces Monroe to hang around the perimeter away from the basket. This is mainly the case because their offense isn't like the Triangle which is designed to have two post players. So Monroe is spending too much time away from the basket setting screens as if he's a PnP big. The only time he can really post is if he's in there alone without Drummond. Here's an example of what I mean. Drummond is in the post and Monroe is up top setting a screen. This is not an ideal situation for him.
On the Knicks Monroe would be in the Triangle Post position where he can be close to the basket and be much more effective and get lots of touches with the ability to pass or score. It's the proper way to use him and it fits this offense. He'd still be a weak rim protector but he'd be a MUCH more effective overall player in the Triangle.
We need another scorer to help Melo..If Monroe can't get touches in front of Drummond then what does that tell you...Come on..
holfresh wrote:nixluva wrote:holfresh wrote:Monroe was invisible last night...I didn't even notice him in the first quarter...Very low impact guy...
The problem is that since Drummond can't shoot at all, he has to play the low post position and that forces Monroe to hang around the perimeter away from the basket. This is mainly the case because their offense isn't like the Triangle which is designed to have two post players. So Monroe is spending too much time away from the basket setting screens as if he's a PnP big. The only time he can really post is if he's in there alone without Drummond. Here's an example of what I mean. Drummond is in the post and Monroe is up top setting a screen. This is not an ideal situation for him.
On the Knicks Monroe would be in the Triangle Post position where he can be close to the basket and be much more effective and get lots of touches with the ability to pass or score. It's the proper way to use him and it fits this offense. He'd still be a weak rim protector but he'd be a MUCH more effective overall player in the Triangle.
We need another scorer to help Melo..If Monroe can't get touches in front of Drummond then what does that tell you...Come on..
You didn't read what I wrote. Drummond can't shoot so he has to play near the basket in SVG's mind. That leaves Monroe out of the post in their offense when Drummond is on the floor. In NY the situation would be different because we actually run an offense that works with 2 bigs just fine. Perhaps you remember Bynum and Gasol? Further the Pistons actually want to play 4 out with Drummond setting picks. They did this whenever Monroe sat. It's clear that Monroe isn't coming back to Detroit next year no matter what SVG says.
smackeddog wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:BRIGGS wrote:codeunknown wrote:mreinman wrote:codeunknown wrote:mreinman wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:crzymdups wrote:fishmike wrote:one of the things you have to like about Monroe is we cant phuck this up too bad. Worst case we overpay for a productive big who is very durable and start him around $15mm.
He's an offensive big man who shoots under 50% and can't hit the mid-range jumper
I think there are worse ways to spend $15M... (Bargnani, Eddy Curry, etc) but not too many.
You just described Boogie Cousins. Greg might not shoot over 50% but he still has decent efficiency for a post big,
he is brutal outside of 3 feet.
I don't like Monroe on this team with Melo - it's a spacing nightmare. You can also expect, with Melo, a certain degree of poor shot selection and I want the best rebounder cleaning up the mess. To me, Deandre Jordan is that player.
dont want jordan. thats tyson all over again.
I want a stretch 4.
Jordan would be your 5, not precluding a shooting 4. Monroe is a 4, leaving you needing a shooting and defensive 5 - other than Towns, you're left and high and dry.
I'd take Jordan problem is there is no chance he'd sign here
so you like Jordan but you don't care for Stein?
Is that surprising to you?
Yes. Its not to you?
No. One guy averages 9 pts, 6 rbs against college opponents. The other averages 12 pts, 15 rbs against NBA opponents.
To be fair DeAndre Jordan also averaged around 4 pts and 5 rebs his first two seasons in the nba, 7 and 7 in his third year, 7 and 8 the year after, 8 and 7 the year after that. Oh and his college stats? 7.9pts and 6 rebounds.
Yeah, Jordan made many improbable leaps in his performance. All that matters now is that he's reached the 12 and 15 level.
nixluva wrote:holfresh wrote:nixluva wrote:holfresh wrote:Monroe was invisible last night...I didn't even notice him in the first quarter...Very low impact guy...
The problem is that since Drummond can't shoot at all, he has to play the low post position and that forces Monroe to hang around the perimeter away from the basket. This is mainly the case because their offense isn't like the Triangle which is designed to have two post players. So Monroe is spending too much time away from the basket setting screens as if he's a PnP big. The only time he can really post is if he's in there alone without Drummond. Here's an example of what I mean. Drummond is in the post and Monroe is up top setting a screen. This is not an ideal situation for him.
On the Knicks Monroe would be in the Triangle Post position where he can be close to the basket and be much more effective and get lots of touches with the ability to pass or score. It's the proper way to use him and it fits this offense. He'd still be a weak rim protector but he'd be a MUCH more effective overall player in the Triangle.
We need another scorer to help Melo..If Monroe can't get touches in front of Drummond then what does that tell you...Come on..
You didn't read what I wrote. Drummond can't shoot so he has to play near the basket in SVG's mind. That leaves Monroe out of the post in their offense when Drummond is on the floor. In NY the situation would be different because we actually run an offense that works with 2 bigs just fine. Perhaps you remember Bynum and Gasol? Further the Pistons actually want to play 4 out with Drummond setting picks. They did this whenever Monroe sat. It's clear that Monroe isn't coming back to Detroit next year no matter what SVG says.
It doesn't matter who plays near to the basket.Drummond is ahead of Monroe in terms of team option..
holfresh wrote:nixluva wrote:holfresh wrote:nixluva wrote:holfresh wrote:Monroe was invisible last night...I didn't even notice him in the first quarter...Very low impact guy...
The problem is that since Drummond can't shoot at all, he has to play the low post position and that forces Monroe to hang around the perimeter away from the basket. This is mainly the case because their offense isn't like the Triangle which is designed to have two post players. So Monroe is spending too much time away from the basket setting screens as if he's a PnP big. The only time he can really post is if he's in there alone without Drummond. Here's an example of what I mean. Drummond is in the post and Monroe is up top setting a screen. This is not an ideal situation for him.
On the Knicks Monroe would be in the Triangle Post position where he can be close to the basket and be much more effective and get lots of touches with the ability to pass or score. It's the proper way to use him and it fits this offense. He'd still be a weak rim protector but he'd be a MUCH more effective overall player in the Triangle.
We need another scorer to help Melo..If Monroe can't get touches in front of Drummond then what does that tell you...Come on..
You didn't read what I wrote. Drummond can't shoot so he has to play near the basket in SVG's mind. That leaves Monroe out of the post in their offense when Drummond is on the floor. In NY the situation would be different because we actually run an offense that works with 2 bigs just fine. Perhaps you remember Bynum and Gasol? Further the Pistons actually want to play 4 out with Drummond setting picks. They did this whenever Monroe sat. It's clear that Monroe isn't coming back to Detroit next year no matter what SVG says.
It doesn't matter who plays near to the basket.Drummond is ahead of Monroe in terms of team option..
SVG is saying he wants Monroe to return, but from what I see there's no way he really means that. The team is structured better for playing 4 out and letting Drummond operate as the PnR man. Monroe is better suited for a team that plays with a legit low post offense. It's clear to me that Monroe would look a lot better if used properly. It's a style of play issue and Monroe doesn't fit what Detroit is trying to do as well as Drummond but that doesn't mean Monroe is not a good player.
nixluva wrote:holfresh wrote:nixluva wrote:holfresh wrote:nixluva wrote:holfresh wrote:Monroe was invisible last night...I didn't even notice him in the first quarter...Very low impact guy...
The problem is that since Drummond can't shoot at all, he has to play the low post position and that forces Monroe to hang around the perimeter away from the basket. This is mainly the case because their offense isn't like the Triangle which is designed to have two post players. So Monroe is spending too much time away from the basket setting screens as if he's a PnP big. The only time he can really post is if he's in there alone without Drummond. Here's an example of what I mean. Drummond is in the post and Monroe is up top setting a screen. This is not an ideal situation for him.
On the Knicks Monroe would be in the Triangle Post position where he can be close to the basket and be much more effective and get lots of touches with the ability to pass or score. It's the proper way to use him and it fits this offense. He'd still be a weak rim protector but he'd be a MUCH more effective overall player in the Triangle.
We need another scorer to help Melo..If Monroe can't get touches in front of Drummond then what does that tell you...Come on..
You didn't read what I wrote. Drummond can't shoot so he has to play near the basket in SVG's mind. That leaves Monroe out of the post in their offense when Drummond is on the floor. In NY the situation would be different because we actually run an offense that works with 2 bigs just fine. Perhaps you remember Bynum and Gasol? Further the Pistons actually want to play 4 out with Drummond setting picks. They did this whenever Monroe sat. It's clear that Monroe isn't coming back to Detroit next year no matter what SVG says.
It doesn't matter who plays near to the basket.Drummond is ahead of Monroe in terms of team option..
SVG is saying he wants Monroe to return, but from what I see there's no way he really means that. The team is structured better for playing 4 out and letting Drummond operate as the PnR man. Monroe is better suited for a team that plays with a legit low post offense. It's clear to me that Monroe would look a lot better if used properly. It's a style of play issue and Monroe doesn't fit what Detroit is trying to do as well as Drummond but that doesn't mean Monroe is not a good player.
What you are seeing is that Drummond is better than Monroe and he is the first option..Doesn't mean there isn't a place for Monroe..I'm not sure why you are so convinced Monroe is a player to max out when he hasn't shown it...Monroe doesn't play with energy or like he is trying to carry his team somewhere..He reminds me of the guys Isiah brought here..Just going thru the motions, making it look good..If anything, that should terrify you...
Not saying Monroe is a lock. In fact the Draft will impact who we sign cuz no way we sign Monroe if we draft OK4. My point is that Monroe is not as bad as he looks in Detroit. He's not being used properly. If we did sign him I'd expect him to be more efficient and a much better fit in our system.
I've never seen Monroe play with energy and I've seen at least 20-25 games of that dude's NBA career.
Nothing I've ever seen made me think "wow, I want to give this guy a max contract."
He's Juwan Howard minus the jumpshot.
nixluva wrote:Not saying Monroe is a lock. In fact the Draft will impact who we sign cuz no way we sign Monroe if we draft OK4. My point is that Monroe is not as bad as he looks in Detroit. He's not being used properly. If we did sign him I'd expect him to be more efficient and a much better fit in our system.
U want to bet 16 mil per cap space on that opinion?
holfresh wrote:nixluva wrote:Not saying Monroe is a lock. In fact the Draft will impact who we sign cuz no way we sign Monroe if we draft OK4. My point is that Monroe is not as bad as he looks in Detroit. He's not being used properly. If we did sign him I'd expect him to be more efficient and a much better fit in our system.
U want to bet 16 mil per cap space on that opinion?
I think Monroe would be a good piece if we don't add OK4 in the draft. On Detroit in their system Monroe is 16 ppg 10 Reb 2 asts. I think he'll be better than that in NY because this system puts the ball in the Big Man's hands more often and with more of a purpose. He'll get more touches in the low post where he's most effective. He'll have more passing options and may get more offensive rebound opportunities playing close to the basket.
SEASON TEAM GP GS MIN FGM-A FG% 3PM-A 3P% FTM-A FT% OR DR REB AST BLK STL PF TO PTS
'14-'15 DET 69 57 31.0 6.1-12.4 .496 0.0-0.0 .000 3.7-4.9 .750 3.3 6.9 10.2 2.1 0.5 1.1 2.1 2.2 15.9
nixluva wrote:holfresh wrote:nixluva wrote:Not saying Monroe is a lock. In fact the Draft will impact who we sign cuz no way we sign Monroe if we draft OK4. My point is that Monroe is not as bad as he looks in Detroit. He's not being used properly. If we did sign him I'd expect him to be more efficient and a much better fit in our system.
U want to bet 16 mil per cap space on that opinion?
I think Monroe would be a good piece if we don't add OK4 in the draft. On Detroit in their system Monroe is 16 ppg 10 Reb 2 asts. I think he'll be better than that in NY because this system puts the ball in the Big Man's hands more often and with more of a purpose. He'll get more touches in the low post where he's most effective. He'll have more passing options and may get more offensive rebound opportunities playing close to the basket.
SEASON TEAM GP GS MIN FGM-A FG% 3PM-A 3P% FTM-A FT% OR DR REB AST BLK STL PF TO PTS
'14-'15 DET 69 57 31.0 6.1-12.4 .496 0.0-0.0 .000 3.7-4.9 .750 3.3 6.9 10.2 2.1 0.5 1.1 2.1 2.2 15.9
I don't see it...Just another guy with no motor or drive, see the Nets..Just going thru the motions..
i was kinda believing this article because Frank Isola (knicks hater and realist) wrote it and there have been rumors about this for months. I still think theres some truth to this. But all year, the papers have been exploiting us fans by replacing game content with "this free agent is interested in coming to nyc". it usually referred to ANY free agent that we were playing that night. When this article came out i took it seriously until i noticed we were playing the pistons AT the garden. lol
holfresh wrote:nixluva wrote:holfresh wrote:nixluva wrote:Not saying Monroe is a lock. In fact the Draft will impact who we sign cuz no way we sign Monroe if we draft OK4. My point is that Monroe is not as bad as he looks in Detroit. He's not being used properly. If we did sign him I'd expect him to be more efficient and a much better fit in our system.
U want to bet 16 mil per cap space on that opinion?
I think Monroe would be a good piece if we don't add OK4 in the draft. On Detroit in their system Monroe is 16 ppg 10 Reb 2 asts. I think he'll be better than that in NY because this system puts the ball in the Big Man's hands more often and with more of a purpose. He'll get more touches in the low post where he's most effective. He'll have more passing options and may get more offensive rebound opportunities playing close to the basket.
SEASON TEAM GP GS MIN FGM-A FG% 3PM-A 3P% FTM-A FT% OR DR REB AST BLK STL PF TO PTS
'14-'15 DET 69 57 31.0 6.1-12.4 .496 0.0-0.0 .000 3.7-4.9 .750 3.3 6.9 10.2 2.1 0.5 1.1 2.1 2.2 15.9
I don't see it...Just another guy with no motor or drive, see the Nets..Just going thru the motions..
What do you expect to see? He's a 24 yr old big man with talent who is caught in a situation that isn't the best for him. If he was any better we wouldn't have a chance to get him. Young bigs with his talent are rarely available. He's unhappy in Detroit IMO and he should be cuz what they're doing with him isn't helping him to maximize his talents.
If we don't get OK4 I would expect that the Knicks will make an offer to Monroe. If we did draft OK4 I think i'd take a chance on Alexis Ajinca who I think has some talent and could give us good production.
