Knicks · Melo: "a 19-year old PG might not fit the plan right now." (page 2)

BRIGGS wrote:Many of u guys were bashing me when I said Phil was taking WCS maybe even at 1 but I think the Knicks have a plan and that's that.

Also how funk stupid can u be to give tells like Carmelo and Phil have done already? you think Sam him kid lets his players announce any intentions?

This is going to be scary either its gowns stein or trade it

yeah, i'm starting to agree.

I still think there's a chance they offer the pick to Cleveland for Kevin Love.

I've been saying it - Melo and Phil don't care where this franchise is in five years. They need to validate their legacies in the next two years. They will go for a win now move if they can.

WaltLongmire wrote:I wonder about the relationship between Phil and Anthony, and the communication they have with each other.

Anthony can serve as a sounding board and perhaps make suggestions, but also be a kind of de facto spokesperson for Phil.

Tough to read the tea leaves, here.

I've made comments about a time frame for action based on the respective "shelf lives" of Phil and Anthony, and the style of ball Phil wants us to play, and I've been shot down by a number of posters, but if there is any validity to Anthony's comment about a 19 year old PG not being part of the plan, that would make me think Phil might push aside the BPA philosophy and look for a pick who can have an immediate impact and play in the system he wants us to play.

I think it is a legitimate plan to go against a traditional BPA pick, and take the player who best serves the needs of the team, and if you believe that your teams "needs" involve the lifespan of your star, you might just have to take it into consideration.

I think Phil is looking at Towns if we have the #1 pick (assuming that all the visits to KU's practices showed us Towns is ready, and probably OK4 if we are at #2 (I'm less sure of this because of his poor D and some other issues), but I could see us taking a more NBA ready player if we don't pick 1/2.

Which players in the draft are physically and mentally ready to play? Kaminsky and Winslow moved up during the tournament. Don't think that Russell is ready day one, and he might not be a system player. Have not seen enough of Mudiay, but if Anthony's words mean anything, he is also a 19yr old PG, so he would not be a consideration. Not sure the two Euros are ready yet, and the guys outside of these players are worth a top 5 pick.

If we end up 3-5, I think we might take Kaminsky first, and then Winslow. Kaminsky will put on some muscle for the NBA, and has an intriguing skills set. He also played in a fairly disciplined offense. I thought he also showed some defensive ability in the final two games of the tournament. Winslow already has an NBA body, can play D, and has some offensive ability. He also had to control his game at Duke, so he knows about playing as a team.

We will see.

Good post. I think BPA/most ready to contribute right away and best fit for the Triangle will absolutely be Phil's metric for the draft.

I think he will heavily investigate trading the pick, too, which is just so stupid I can't stand it.

Hard to know what Phil's relationship is to Melo here - but you have to think they are somewhat on the same page and talked about it before Melo re-signed last summer.

crzymdups wrote:

holfresh wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

@StevePopper: Melo very interesting in 28 minute interview - said he has basically a GM board in his office, moving names around how he'd build the team.

@StevePopper: Was careful not to get Knicks a fine, but noted that a 19-year-old PG would have a learning curve that might not fit plan now.

Let me spell this out for you: R-O-N-D-O

You guys don't believe me - but Melo will have as much or more say than Phil in building this team this summer.

I'm not saying that's a good thing.

I think the Knicks are fools to let Melo build the team - though that was probably part of his $125M deal. I think they are doubly fools to pass on D'Angelo Russell if they have a chance at him. Did LaMarcus Aldridge tell the Blazers not to draft Damien Lillard?

Rondo dominates the ball and can't shoot the three..Phil is running a triangle..Why does this make sense to u??

http://www.newsday.com/sports/basketball...

that article is 3 years old.

I think taking interview comments and translating those comments into "Melo as the same pull as Phil" is beyond a stretch. He's a max guy with a no trade clause on sport/team where a dozen guys make up the roster. I mean of course he's going to have say.

Likability and chemistry have never been Melo's problems. The year he took the 2nd most shots on his team (Iverson #1) was always his most EF% year. Go find an a quote from a former player saying they didnt like playing with Melo. I can show you plenty from guys who says they did.. from Jason Kidd to Langston Galloway. His leadership problems stem from him wanting to be more buddy buddy with teammates rather then being the tough guy who challenges and brings it. Listen to any of the old vets they all say the same.. they loved playing with him.

There it is in black and white.. the guy says he would take a #2 role.

If we trade the 1st round pick this year then we riot.

crzymdups wrote:

holfresh wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

@StevePopper: Melo very interesting in 28 minute interview - said he has basically a GM board in his office, moving names around how he'd build the team.

@StevePopper: Was careful not to get Knicks a fine, but noted that a 19-year-old PG would have a learning curve that might not fit plan now.

Let me spell this out for you: R-O-N-D-O

You guys don't believe me - but Melo will have as much or more say than Phil in building this team this summer.

I'm not saying that's a good thing.

I think the Knicks are fools to let Melo build the team - though that was probably part of his $125M deal. I think they are doubly fools to pass on D'Angelo Russell if they have a chance at him. Did LaMarcus Aldridge tell the Blazers not to draft Damien Lillard?

Rondo dominates the ball and can't shoot the three..Phil is running a triangle..Why does this make sense to u??

http://www.newsday.com/sports/basketball...

That's was during Woddy's tenure..Phil wasn't even a wet dream yet..July 2013..

fishmike wrote:

crzymdups wrote:
http://www.newsday.com/sports/basketball...

that article is 3 years old.

I think taking interview comments and translating those comments into "Melo as the same pull as Phil" is beyond a stretch. He's a max guy with a no trade clause on sport/team where a dozen guys make up the roster. I mean of course he's going to have say.

Likability and chemistry have never been Melo's problems. The year he took the 2nd most shots on his team (Iverson #1) was always his most EF% year. Go find an a quote from a former player saying they didnt like playing with Melo. I can show you plenty from guys who says they did.. from Jason Kidd to Langston Galloway. His leadership problems stem from him wanting to be more buddy buddy with teammates rather then being the tough guy who challenges and brings it. Listen to any of the old vets they all say the same.. they loved playing with him.

There it is in black and white.. the guy says he would take a #2 role.

It's from 18 months ago.

Who are we going to get that Melo would play #2 to? Realistically - who is that person?

My worry for a while is that off-season would boil down to - trade the pick for Kevin Love and sign Rondo.

Who else is out there that Melo would play second fiddle to?

The player with the least learning curve is Okafor. He is good at his craft and plays mature beyond his years. While I think Towns will be a good player he will have a major learning curve in the NBA. Okafor is already physically NBA ready. Okafor has to work on his free throws and get better at them. But the luxury of knowing that you can dump the ball into the post knowing that there is a capable player who can handle his position speaks volumes. Your going to get production.

crzymdups wrote:

fishmike wrote:

crzymdups wrote:
http://www.newsday.com/sports/basketball...

that article is 3 years old.

I think taking interview comments and translating those comments into "Melo as the same pull as Phil" is beyond a stretch. He's a max guy with a no trade clause on sport/team where a dozen guys make up the roster. I mean of course he's going to have say.

Likability and chemistry have never been Melo's problems. The year he took the 2nd most shots on his team (Iverson #1) was always his most EF% year. Go find an a quote from a former player saying they didnt like playing with Melo. I can show you plenty from guys who says they did.. from Jason Kidd to Langston Galloway. His leadership problems stem from him wanting to be more buddy buddy with teammates rather then being the tough guy who challenges and brings it. Listen to any of the old vets they all say the same.. they loved playing with him.

There it is in black and white.. the guy says he would take a #2 role.

It's from 18 months ago.

Who are we going to get that Melo would play #2 to? Realistically - who is that person?

My worry for a while is that off-season would boil down to - trade the pick for Kevin Love and sign Rondo.

Who else is out there that Melo would play second fiddle to?

Melo will play second fiddle to no one..Media like to ask him that because it's what most fans want to hear..Will you play 2nd fiddle but who is a better scorer we can get??

The only thing of interest is for me might be a bit of a stretch..Melo saying they aren't looking at a 19 yr old PG might mean they have a big name FA that might come here and they need immediate veteran help..Might not be time to wait for players to develop..

Vmart wrote:The player with the least learning curve is Okafor. He is good at his craft and plays mature beyond his years. While I think Towns will be a good player he will have a major learning curve in the NBA. Okafor is already physically NBA ready. Okafor has to work on his free throws and get better at them. But the luxury of knowing that you can dump the ball into the post knowing that there is a capable player who can handle his position speaks volumes. Your going to get production.

Agreed on this point.

I think the take away from this Melo quote is at the least that the Knicks will be looking at the most "NBA ready" talent in the draft.

To me, in the top five range that list is something like:

Okafor
Justice Winslow
Willie Cauley Stein

BRIGGS wrote:Many of u guys were bashing me when I said Phil was taking WCS maybe even at 1 but I think the Knicks have a plan and that's that.

Also how funk stupid can u be to give tells like Carmelo and Phil have done already? you think Sam him kid lets his players announce any intentions?

This is going to be scary either its gowns stein or trade it

Two scare stories colliding does not equal fact

Since when has a phil Jax team ever been centric with a PG running the team?

Before I get bent out of shape we need to know:

1. Lottery status
2. Projected potential free agent signing.

crzymdups wrote:

@StevePopper: Melo very interesting in 28 minute interview - said he has basically a GM board in his office, moving names around how he'd build the team.

@StevePopper: Was careful not to get Knicks a fine, but noted that a 19-year-old PG would have a learning curve that might not fit plan now.

Let me spell this out for you: R-O-N-D-O

You guys don't believe me - but Melo will have as much or more say than Phil in building this team this summer.

I'm not saying that's a good thing.

I think the Knicks are fools to let Melo build the team - though that was probably part of his $125M deal. I think they are doubly fools to pass on D'Angelo Russell if they have a chance at him. Did LaMarcus Aldridge tell the Blazers not to draft Damien Lillard?

why does he have a board in his office?

I don't have an org chart of the company I work for and play around with moving people/functions around?

Just trying to read the "tea leaves."

Start with the comment about Town's butt by Phil's friend...

add Anthony's comment about a 19 yr old PG...

and top with this photofrom January.

Draw your own conclusions.

WaltLongmire wrote:Just trying to read the "tea leaves."

Start with the comment about Town's butt by Phil's friend...

add Anthony's comment about a 19 yr old PG...

and top with this photofrom January.

Draw your own conclusions.

Is that Okafor and Melo?

Makes sense that he'd be their top pick for the Triangle... but they have to be in range for him.

If they take OK4, I can't see how signing Greg Monroe makes any sense.

I could see OK4 working super well for them in the Triangle.

But where does having the top one-way center in the NBA get you these days? OKC didn't even make the playoffs with Kanter AND Russ. The Nets are the 8 seed under .500 with Brook Lopez.

Anyway, they have to get a top 2 or maybe top 3 pick to be able to take Okafor. So. We'll see.

gunsnewing wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Melo the GM doubting Melo the GM?

@Al_Iannazzone: Melo said there were times when he second-guessed himself about whether he made the right decision re-signing with Knicks.

LOL

The gift that keeps on giving

Marbury 2.0

crzymdups wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:Just trying to read the "tea leaves."

Start with the comment about Town's butt by Phil's friend...

add Anthony's comment about a 19 yr old PG...

and top with this photofrom January.

Draw your own conclusions.

Is that Okafor and Melo?

Makes sense that he'd be their top pick for the Triangle... but they have to be in range for him.

If they take OK4, I can't see how signing Greg Monroe makes any sense.

I could see OK4 working super well for them in the Triangle.

But where does having the top one-way center in the NBA get you these days? OKC didn't even make the playoffs with Kanter AND Russ. The Nets are the 8 seed under .500 with Brook Lopez.

Anyway, they have to get a top 2 or maybe top 3 pick to be able to take Okafor. So. We'll see.

I'd love it if we can grab Okafor - no idea who the pic is, bad eyes.

But what is problematic is that we might rule out talented players simply because of our desire to jump start the corpse that is this roster.

And if we miss the next Jordan because we wanted the next Sam Bowie because Phil & Melo couldn't wait, then Phil sure as heck needs to give up his 2 championship rings from his Knick days, unretire his number and kick him out of the HOF.

I think the real insight is that Melo is on his way to have a long career as a knick FO in the future. I think he's trying to go the Bird route.

It's all about how your team is constructed. If they end up with OK4 then they need a good defensive big next to him and if you can add a good defensive player on the perimeter that would help. Overall I think the Knicks will be adding more defensive talent next year. You will have at least 2-3 free agents that could be 2 way players in your rotation. IMO OK4 can defend. He's not the best at it but he's not horrible either.

We have a few role players who can defend like Cole, Amundson, Thomas and Galloway. Thanasis may be added. If you add more players to the mix it will make the overall defense much stronger and able to handle having guys like OK4 and Melo in the mix. It's a team thing and not just one player alone that makes a good defensive team.

If the Knicks get OK4 and that means they don't waste $15M on Greg Monroe - SIGN ME UP.

Melo the GM for President if that happens.

Melo should have zero input on who we draft period. If he wants to help scout Free agents along with Phil i have no problem with that. However we shouldnt draft a player to help melo needs, we should draft the best player available. If Okafor and Towns are gone but Russell and Mudiay are sitting their then you have to take those two because they are the best available. I dont care if they are 19