Obviously we dont know where we will draft or who we will sign but what type of realistic moves will make most fans satisfied in this very important summer
1. do not drop to slot 5
2. don't draft a surprise
3. get at least 2 starters in FA
4. find some undrafted talented during summer league (similar to Galloway)
5. do not resign Bargnani
6. Melo does not suffer a set back for his recovery
franco12 wrote:1. do not drop to slot 5
2. don't draft a surprise
3. get at least 2 starters in FA
4. find some undrafted talented during summer league (similar to Galloway)
5. do not resign Bargnani
6. Melo does not suffer a set back for his recovery
good points. The only one we have no control over is draft position
1) Drafting a blue chip talent with the plan to keep and develop him.
2) Sign a free agent who has a potential to be an all-star or near all-star level help to Melo.
3) Get Melo healthy.
4) Sign some FAs who play defense and make sense as a team with the three core pieces of Melo, draft pick and FA guy.
There are a bunch of different ways to do it right.
Worst case would be trading the lotto pick for a high cost FA who eats the cap space like Kevin Love. Worst type of move that would be the wrong kind of two for one.
Knicks are in a position to have three very good players and room to add complementry pieces around them (with a few already here in Galloway, Amundson, Lance, Shved)
I'd also try to trade Timmy Hardaway this summer.
1 view
Draft Karl Towns #1 C 6-11 250
Trade a 2018 restricted(top 15)pick to Philidelphia for picks 35 and 37
#35 Rashaud Vaughn SG 215
#37 Jordan Mickey PF 6-8 235
Trade Cleanthony early for pick 42(Dakari Johnson)
Sign Enes Kanter PF 6-11 260 to a max contract offer sheet with a no trade clause and a max trade kicker.(I think we will have better than 50% chance to execute this)
Sign Demarre Carrol to a 3 year 22.5mm $ contract
Release and stretch PG Jose Calderon
Sign Alex Shveyd to a 2 year 8mm contract
Resign Cole Aldrich to a 3 year 6mm $ contract
Vet minimum Thomas Admundson
Line up
C-Towns - 6-11 250
PF Kanter 6-11 260
SF Carmelo Anthony SF 6-8 230
SG Demmare Carroll 6-8 225
PG Langston Galloway 6-1 200
C Cole Aldrich 6-11 260
F Jordan Mickey PF 6-8 230
F Lance Thomas F 6-8 220
G Tim Hardaway JR 6-6 200
G Alexy Shveyd 6-6 190
Rashaud Vaughn
Lou Admundson
Thanis 2 year minimum
1 year vet minimum PG
Dakari Johnson
BRIGGS wrote:1 view
Draft Karl Towns #1 C 6-11 250
Trade a 2018 restricted(top 15)pick to Philidelphia for picks 35 and 37
#35 Rashaud Vaughn SG 215
#37 Jordan Mickey PF 6-8 235
Trade Cleanthony early for pick 42(Dakari Johnson)
Sign Enes Kanter PF 6-11 260 to a max contract offer sheet with a no trade clause and a max trade kicker.(I think we will have better than 50% chance to execute this)
Sign Demarre Carrol to a 3 year 22.5mm $ contract
Release and stretch PG Jose Calderon
Sign Alex Shveyd to a 2 year 8mm contract
Resign Cole Aldrich to a 3 year 6mm $ contract
Vet minimum Thomas Admundson
Line up
C-Towns - 6-11 250
PF Kanter 6-11 260
SF Carmelo Anthony SF 6-8 230
SG Demmare Carroll 6-8 225
PG Langston Galloway 6-1 200
C Cole Aldrich 6-11 260
F Jordan Mickey PF 6-8 230
F Lance Thomas F 6-8 220
G Tim Hardaway JR 6-6 200
G Alexy Shveyd 6-6 190
Rashaud Vaughn
Lou Admundson
Thanis 2 year minimum
1 year vet minimum PG
Dakari Johnson
not sure i would trade a future first for a couple seconds. I like this draft up front but i dont think its that deep
A nice player in the draft, and a couple of nice, 2nd tier players. I don't think I'm being unreasonable.
BRIGGS wrote:1 view
Draft Karl Towns #1 C 6-11 250
Trade a 2018 restricted(top 15)pick to Philidelphia for picks 35 and 37
#35 Rashaud Vaughn SG 215
#37 Jordan Mickey PF 6-8 235
Trade Cleanthony early for pick 42(Dakari Johnson)
Sign Enes Kanter PF 6-11 260 to a max contract offer sheet with a no trade clause and a max trade kicker.(I think we will have better than 50% chance to execute this)
Sign Demarre Carrol to a 3 year 22.5mm $ contract
Release and stretch PG Jose Calderon
Sign Alex Shveyd to a 2 year 8mm contract
Resign Cole Aldrich to a 3 year 6mm $ contract
Vet minimum Thomas Admundson
Line up
C-Towns - 6-11 250
PF Kanter 6-11 260
SF Carmelo Anthony SF 6-8 230
SG Demmare Carroll 6-8 225
PG Langston Galloway 6-1 200
C Cole Aldrich 6-11 260
F Jordan Mickey PF 6-8 230
F Lance Thomas F 6-8 220
G Tim Hardaway JR 6-6 200
G Alexy Shveyd 6-6 190
Rashaud Vaughn
Lou Admundson
Thanis 2 year minimum
1 year vet minimum PG
Dakari Johnson
There's no way any team should ever trade a future 1st for two 2nd. That's awful, awful value.
BRIGGS wrote:1 view
Draft Karl Towns #1 C 6-11 250
Trade a 2018 restricted(top 15)pick to Philidelphia for picks 35 and 37
#35 Rashaud Vaughn SG 215
#37 Jordan Mickey PF 6-8 235
Trade Cleanthony early for pick 42(Dakari Johnson)
Sign Enes Kanter PF 6-11 260 to a max contract offer sheet with a no trade clause and a max trade kicker.(I think we will have better than 50% chance to execute this)
Sign Demarre Carrol to a 3 year 22.5mm $ contract
Release and stretch PG Jose Calderon
Sign Alex Shveyd to a 2 year 8mm contract
Resign Cole Aldrich to a 3 year 6mm $ contract
Vet minimum Thomas Admundson
Line up
C-Towns - 6-11 250
PF Kanter 6-11 260
SF Carmelo Anthony SF 6-8 230
SG Demmare Carroll 6-8 225
PG Langston Galloway 6-1 200
C Cole Aldrich 6-11 260
F Jordan Mickey PF 6-8 230
F Lance Thomas F 6-8 220
G Tim Hardaway JR 6-6 200
G Alexy Shveyd 6-6 190
Rashaud Vaughn
Lou Admundson
Thanis 2 year minimum
1 year vet minimum PG
Dakari Johnson
I like Carrol, but can he play SG? I genuinely have no idea as I haven't watched enough of him
StarksEwing1 wrote:BRIGGS wrote:1 view
Draft Karl Towns #1 C 6-11 250
Trade a 2018 restricted(top 15)pick to Philidelphia for picks 35 and 37
#35 Rashaud Vaughn SG 215
#37 Jordan Mickey PF 6-8 235
Trade Cleanthony early for pick 42(Dakari Johnson)
Sign Enes Kanter PF 6-11 260 to a max contract offer sheet with a no trade clause and a max trade kicker.(I think we will have better than 50% chance to execute this)
Sign Demarre Carrol to a 3 year 22.5mm $ contract
Release and stretch PG Jose Calderon
Sign Alex Shveyd to a 2 year 8mm contract
Resign Cole Aldrich to a 3 year 6mm $ contract
Vet minimum Thomas Admundson
Line up
C-Towns - 6-11 250
PF Kanter 6-11 260
SF Carmelo Anthony SF 6-8 230
SG Demmare Carroll 6-8 225
PG Langston Galloway 6-1 200
C Cole Aldrich 6-11 260
F Jordan Mickey PF 6-8 230
F Lance Thomas F 6-8 220
G Tim Hardaway JR 6-6 200
G Alexy Shveyd 6-6 190
Rashaud Vaughn
Lou Admundson
Thanis 2 year minimum
1 year vet minimum PG
Dakari Johnson
not sure i would trade a future first for a couple seconds. I like this draft up front but i dont think its that deep
I like what BRIGGS did there but also don't know if it would be necessary to trade the 2018. I have to see what else Phil can do to add talent without sacrificing any future assets.
I would say that with pick 1-5 i'd like to see one of my top 5 players taken, Towns, Okafor, Russell, Winslow, Hezonja/Mudiay. Until we know which pick we're getting it's hard to say what will make the most sense in Free Agency. Each pick would change what i'd do in Free Agency so it's a very huge part of the equation.
VCoug wrote:BRIGGS wrote:1 view
Draft Karl Towns #1 C 6-11 250
Trade a 2018 restricted(top 15)pick to Philidelphia for picks 35 and 37
#35 Rashaud Vaughn SG 215
#37 Jordan Mickey PF 6-8 235
Trade Cleanthony early for pick 42(Dakari Johnson)
Sign Enes Kanter PF 6-11 260 to a max contract offer sheet with a no trade clause and a max trade kicker.(I think we will have better than 50% chance to execute this)
Sign Demarre Carrol to a 3 year 22.5mm $ contract
Release and stretch PG Jose Calderon
Sign Alex Shveyd to a 2 year 8mm contract
Resign Cole Aldrich to a 3 year 6mm $ contract
Vet minimum Thomas Admundson
Line up
C-Towns - 6-11 250
PF Kanter 6-11 260
SF Carmelo Anthony SF 6-8 230
SG Demmare Carroll 6-8 225
PG Langston Galloway 6-1 200
C Cole Aldrich 6-11 260
F Jordan Mickey PF 6-8 230
F Lance Thomas F 6-8 220
G Tim Hardaway JR 6-6 200
G Alexy Shveyd 6-6 190
Rashaud Vaughn
Lou Admundson
Thanis 2 year minimum
1 year vet minimum PG
Dakari Johnson
There's no way any team should ever trade a future 1st for two 2nd. That's awful, awful value.
Yep- trade Tim Jr or whatever if you want a second- it's just daft to trade a first for two seconds.
VCoug wrote:BRIGGS wrote:1 view
Draft Karl Towns #1 C 6-11 250
Trade a 2018 restricted(top 15)pick to Philidelphia for picks 35 and 37
#35 Rashaud Vaughn SG 215
#37 Jordan Mickey PF 6-8 235
Trade Cleanthony early for pick 42(Dakari Johnson)
Sign Enes Kanter PF 6-11 260 to a max contract offer sheet with a no trade clause and a max trade kicker.(I think we will have better than 50% chance to execute this)
Sign Demarre Carrol to a 3 year 22.5mm $ contract
Release and stretch PG Jose Calderon
Sign Alex Shveyd to a 2 year 8mm contract
Resign Cole Aldrich to a 3 year 6mm $ contract
Vet minimum Thomas Admundson
Line up
C-Towns - 6-11 250
PF Kanter 6-11 260
SF Carmelo Anthony SF 6-8 230
SG Demmare Carroll 6-8 225
PG Langston Galloway 6-1 200
C Cole Aldrich 6-11 260
F Jordan Mickey PF 6-8 230
F Lance Thomas F 6-8 220
G Tim Hardaway JR 6-6 200
G Alexy Shveyd 6-6 190
Rashaud Vaughn
Lou Admundson
Thanis 2 year minimum
1 year vet minimum PG
Dakari Johnson
There's no way any team should ever trade a future 1st for two 2nd. That's awful, awful value.
If I got Vaughn and Mickey for that pick Id be overjoyed and would gladly pay up in 2018 with a 20 pick+. I like Vaughn as a lottery pick today --so the value is relative IF hes there and the prognostications say both players would be around the slots wed have.I think bOTH players will have value higher than 16 in 2018 I think those who know CBB real well--theyd understand this deal. In football Bill Beliichek is a master of trading down for higher asset value.
BRIGGS wrote:VCoug wrote:BRIGGS wrote:1 view
Draft Karl Towns #1 C 6-11 250
Trade a 2018 restricted(top 15)pick to Philidelphia for picks 35 and 37
#35 Rashaud Vaughn SG 215
#37 Jordan Mickey PF 6-8 235
Trade Cleanthony early for pick 42(Dakari Johnson)
Sign Enes Kanter PF 6-11 260 to a max contract offer sheet with a no trade clause and a max trade kicker.(I think we will have better than 50% chance to execute this)
Sign Demarre Carrol to a 3 year 22.5mm $ contract
Release and stretch PG Jose Calderon
Sign Alex Shveyd to a 2 year 8mm contract
Resign Cole Aldrich to a 3 year 6mm $ contract
Vet minimum Thomas Admundson
Line up
C-Towns - 6-11 250
PF Kanter 6-11 260
SF Carmelo Anthony SF 6-8 230
SG Demmare Carroll 6-8 225
PG Langston Galloway 6-1 200
C Cole Aldrich 6-11 260
F Jordan Mickey PF 6-8 230
F Lance Thomas F 6-8 220
G Tim Hardaway JR 6-6 200
G Alexy Shveyd 6-6 190
Rashaud Vaughn
Lou Admundson
Thanis 2 year minimum
1 year vet minimum PG
Dakari Johnson
There's no way any team should ever trade a future 1st for two 2nd. That's awful, awful value.
If I got Vaughn and Mickey for that pick Id be overjoyed and would gladly pay up in 2018 with a 20 pick+. I like Vaughn as a lottery pick today --so the value is relative IF hes there and the prognostications say both players would be around the slots wed have.I think bOTH players will have value higher than 16 in 2018 I think those who know CBB real well--theyd understand this deal. In football Bill Beliichek is a master of trading down for higher asset value.
you never trade a first for second rounders
Just out of interest if we miss out on Towns and OK4, how do we fill two front court spots via free agency? Maybe move Melo to PF, but in that case you'd need A defensive C, which would rule out Monroe (or Kanter). Or do you keep Melo at SF, and just focus on getting one front court player (Milsap or Monroe, or whatever) and then get another one next year? It's got me stumped.
The concept--Im team building but I want to compete now
I rebuilt the frontcourt for ten years with a diversified unit
I kept the right cohesion with my guards--I moved on from Ledo early and Larkin and kept Shveyd Hardaway and added a vet (Carrol) and a young SG who I think will be an NBA star Vaughn
I have more depth more size and tough interior scoring combo shot blockers on both units a 6th man of the year type in Shveyd and Hardaway.
I know Towns and Johnson are buddies so I kept them together I like the work ethic of both.
The draft catered to all 2 way players all with high upsides.
smackeddog wrote:Just out of interest if we miss out on Towns and OK4, how do we fill two front court spots via free agency? Maybe move Melo to PF, but in that case you'd need A defensive C, which would rule out Monroe (or Kanter). Or do you keep Melo at SF, and just focus on getting one front court player (Milsap or Monroe, or whatever) and then get another one next year? It's got me stumped.
If we miss out on Towns
Let me go a bt further ins cenarios
1 I take Towns
2 I take Okafor
3 Trade down #1 look at Atlanta with Shreoddor pick 19 and Tavaraes
4 Asset trade down for Stein
I like Vaughn and Mickey a lot--I think their value is a complete misinterpretation of where it should stand--so Id like to take advatage of that. I like Vaughn as much as any guard at the top. So why use a darft pick on 1? Use it for goal #1 rebuild froncourt.
Acceptable off season is one I deem worthy of what I deserve.
We knick fans DESERVE the benevolence of the basketball gods!
Please forgive us for our Golden Mooby!
smackeddog wrote:Just out of interest if we miss out on Towns and OK4, how do we fill two front court spots via free agency? Maybe move Melo to PF, but in that case you'd need A defensive C, which would rule out Monroe (or Kanter). Or do you keep Melo at SF, and just focus on getting one front court player (Milsap or Monroe, or whatever) and then get another one next year? It's got me stumped.
Any combo of
Alexis Ajinca or Robin Lopez
and
Greg Monroe or Enes Kanter
franco12 wrote:1. do not drop to slot 5
2. don't draft a surprise
3. get at least 2 starters in FA
4. find some undrafted talented during summer league (similar to Galloway)
5. do not resign Bargnani
6. Melo does not suffer a set back for his recovery
Yeah, pretty much this ^^
1 new starter from the draft (with star potential), 2 new starters from free agency. 1 of those free agents must be a capable 2nd option right away. This is the minimum. Anything beyond this would be a bonus.
BRIGGS wrote:1 view
Draft Karl Towns #1 C 6-11 250
Trade a 2018 restricted(top 15)pick to Philidelphia for picks 35 and 37
#35 Rashaud Vaughn SG 215
#37 Jordan Mickey PF 6-8 235
Trade Cleanthony early for pick 42(Dakari Johnson)
Sign Enes Kanter PF 6-11 260 to a max contract offer sheet with a no trade clause and a max trade kicker.(I think we will have better than 50% chance to execute this)
Sign Demarre Carrol to a 3 year 22.5mm $ contract
Release and stretch PG Jose Calderon
Sign Alex Shveyd to a 2 year 8mm contract
Resign Cole Aldrich to a 3 year 6mm $ contract
Vet minimum Thomas Admundson
Line up
C-Towns - 6-11 250
PF Kanter 6-11 260
SF Carmelo Anthony SF 6-8 230
SG Demmare Carroll 6-8 225
PG Langston Galloway 6-1 200
C Cole Aldrich 6-11 260
F Jordan Mickey PF 6-8 230
F Lance Thomas F 6-8 220
G Tim Hardaway JR 6-6 200
G Alexy Shveyd 6-6 190
Rashaud Vaughn
Lou Admundson
Thanis 2 year minimum
1 year vet minimum PG
Dakari Johnson
I would NOT like that off-season : (
