Knicks · What is your present top 5 picks? (page 2)

Much can change come workouts etc, but if the draft was today..
1) OK4
2) Rusell
3) Towns
4) Hezonja
5) Winslow

1. Towns
2. OK4/Russell
3. Russell/OK4
4. Muidiay
5. Winslow/Hezonja

Not interested in trading down unless we get Russell and WCS as a result, in which case would consider that unless we have the #1 overall, in which case I take Towns EVERY time.

I am so curious about those of you who would take Mudiay over Russell and Winslow. Why????????? The dude can't shot the ball, which is crucial for a basketball player; he is not a defender from the very few video footages I have seen of him; and is not even that good of a passer. Why Mudiay??????

Knicks1969 wrote:I am so curious about those of you who would take Mudiay over Russell and Winslow. Why????????? The dude can't shot the ball, which is crucial for a basketball player; he is not a defender from the very few video footages I have seen of him; and is not even that good of a passer. Why Mudiay??????

Majority of those NCAA guys will never play pro ball. That is the competition that these top college guys face. There are only a hand full of programs in Division I basketball that have really good top notch talent and even most of those guys will not be professional material. There is a reason why USA stopped sending college kids to the Olympics. When it is all said and done professional level is professional level. What Mudiay did as a 18 year old in a pro league stands out. It may be China it's just a higher level than College Basketball.

Vmart wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:I am so curious about those of you who would take Mudiay over Russell and Winslow. Why????????? The dude can't shot the ball, which is crucial for a basketball player; he is not a defender from the very few video footages I have seen of him; and is not even that good of a passer. Why Mudiay??????

Majority of those NCAA guys will never play pro ball. That is the competition that these top college guys face. There are only a hand full of programs in Division I basketball that have really good top notch talent and even most of those guys will not be professional material. There is a reason why USA stopped sending college kids to the Olympics. When it is all said and done professional level is professional level. What Mudiay did as a 18 year old in a pro league stands out. It may be China it's just a higher level than College Basketball.

I disagree. Most of our college kids are very well coached and I do believe the college competition is much stronger than the Chinese league.

Knicks1969 wrote:

Vmart wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:I am so curious about those of you who would take Mudiay over Russell and Winslow. Why????????? The dude can't shot the ball, which is crucial for a basketball player; he is not a defender from the very few video footages I have seen of him; and is not even that good of a passer. Why Mudiay??????

Majority of those NCAA guys will never play pro ball. That is the competition that these top college guys face. There are only a hand full of programs in Division I basketball that have really good top notch talent and even most of those guys will not be professional material. There is a reason why USA stopped sending college kids to the Olympics. When it is all said and done professional level is professional level. What Mudiay did as a 18 year old in a pro league stands out. It may be China it's just a higher level than College Basketball.

I disagree. Most of our college kids are very well coached and I do believe the college competition is much stronger than the Chinese league.

Ok you keep believing that.

Vmart wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

Vmart wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:I am so curious about those of you who would take Mudiay over Russell and Winslow. Why????????? The dude can't shot the ball, which is crucial for a basketball player; he is not a defender from the very few video footages I have seen of him; and is not even that good of a passer. Why Mudiay??????

Majority of those NCAA guys will never play pro ball. That is the competition that these top college guys face. There are only a hand full of programs in Division I basketball that have really good top notch talent and even most of those guys will not be professional material. There is a reason why USA stopped sending college kids to the Olympics. When it is all said and done professional level is professional level. What Mudiay did as a 18 year old in a pro league stands out. It may be China it's just a higher level than College Basketball.

I disagree. Most of our college kids are very well coached and I do believe the college competition is much stronger than the Chinese league.

Ok you keep believing that.

yea sorry... Vmart is right. I dont agree persay with his pick, but... I have Winslow/Russell ahead of Mudiay but that can change quickly with workouts and what he's said is right, CBA >>>> NCAA by a lot. Some of these NCAA teams that these guys play against are total jokes. OK4 and Towns destroying guys who are 6'7 forwards and centers and are thrilled to play NCAA ball against guys who will be NBA players, but have no illusions about playing pro ball themselves.

Pro is pro and Mudiay got paid $1.2mm to play on season there because his talent is elite. I agree the shooting is a hole in his game, but everyone who scouts this guy and plays against him (I just posted some Marbury quotes) says he's top tier NBA talent. NCAA isnt even close.

does this excercise confirm that
if we win a TOP 2 pick and some teams are willing to overpay
With a TOP 5 pick and another HIGH TOP 10ish pick, we can use assets like a future 1st rounder to move up if needed
To get 2 very good players, especially if one falls to 5 which is a possiblity, while a TOP 2-3 pick's contract is also much higher and would be more than pick 5 and 10 combined

Not 1 player in the last 30 years has averaged more than 17 points and shot 67% in their first year other than Ok4. Not 1!

RonRon wrote:does this excercise confirm that
if we win a TOP 2 pick and some teams are willing to overpay
With a TOP 5 pick and another HIGH TOP 10ish pick, we can use assets like a future 1st rounder to move up if needed
To get 2 very good players, especially if one falls to 5 which is a possiblity, while a TOP 2-3 pick's contract is also much higher and would be more than pick 5 and 10 combined

I would love for us to get the 1st pick and the lakers & Philly to fall so Philly gets lakers pick & then we could swap pick 1 for picks 5 & 6.

Problem with OK4 and Towns is that the league has changed, with stretch 4's, which makes OK4/Towns a Center by default

Yes they can play stretches at the 4 but not majority of the minutes, a reason why Andre Drummond/Greg Monroe didn't work well together, especially with Josh Smith
So according to some of lineups that Briggs has suggested, line CA at the SG, it isn't actual an advantage to have the size over the opponents if they were unable to defend those positions and provide the floor spacing to stretch the floor for 1v1 opportunities and the room to operate

I would much rather spend the money on Ajincia and then look to acquire Whiteside next summer along with other FA's
While grabbing some of the guards in this draft like

Towns/OK4

Justice Winslow/Russell
Mudiay
Mario Henzoja

So even if we got the 1st or 2nd overall pick and we traded down with teams overpaying to move up which Phil Jackson is trying to do and has been hinting off
Now we can still use a future 1st rounder or assets if we traded CA to move up with the 2nd pick, so we can very possibly get 2 TOP 10 talents, while any of these TOP 6 will be available at 6

What if we managed to get 2 of these players above in the process? or even some lower ranked players such as

Frank the Tank
WCS
Kristas Pap

*SOMEONE WILL FALL, as this is a very strong draft*

So I think we can all agree that it will take at least 2years + for Towns to develop while we could sign Ajinicia or whowever this year, along with 2017 FA's of

Whiteside
Durant possibly with Lebron

Al Horford

Pau Gasol/Noah

and many other FA's

The possiblity of having 2 of THE TOP TIER guards in this draft, while utilizing our cap space elsewhere, while the TOP picks also get paid more, while at picks 5-6 and the 2nd 1st rounder would be less than the TOP 2 picks combined, so we can fully utilize the cap space better, and having a YOUNG CORE to build around

Russell or Mudiay
Justice Winslow/Mario Henzoja
Thanasis
Durant/Al Horford
Whiteside/ Noah/ Ajincia

Towns
Russell
Mudiay
Okafor
Hezonja
Winslow
Harrell

Lets not jinx this by automatically assuming we wont land the 6th pick....

Towns
Russell/Mudiay (can't decide)
Okafor
Herzoga
Kaminsky