Knicks · Love out 4-6 months after surgery... (page 1)

Moonangie @ 4/30/2015 10:42 AM
From today's NYT:

CLEVELAND — Kevin Love had surgery on his badly damaged left shoulder that could require six months of recovery, officially ending any remote chance he had of returning during Cleveland's playoff run.

Love, whose arm was yanked from the socket on Sunday by Boston's Kelly Olynyk during Game 4, had the operation at the Hospital for Special Surgery in New York on Wednesday. The team released a brief statement saying the forward had the procedure and that his projected recovery time is 4-to-6 months.

On Tuesday, Cavs general manager David Griffin said it was "highly unlikely" Love would return during the postseason. That distant possibility was erased by the surgery to a shoulder Griffin said sustained "extensive" damage. Love had ligaments in his shoulder torn on a play that has shaken Cleveland's championship hopes.

Love was battling for a loose ball when his arm got tangled with Olynyk midway through the first quarter of Cleveland's series-sweeping win over the Celtics. Olynyk pulled on Love's arm, causing the dislocation. Following the game, Love called the play "bush league" and said he was convinced Olynyk tried to hurt him intentionally.

Olynyk did not get called for a foul on the play, but the next day the NBA suspended him one game for his actions.

Love finally made it to the playoffs in his first season with Cleveland, which acquired him last summer in a trade from Minnesota. The seven-year veteran struggled at times during a bumpy year with the Cavs, who will face either Chicago or Milwaukee in the Eastern Conference semifinals starting next week.

But Love had become more of an offensive weapon in recent weeks, and now the Cavs have to chase a title without him.

Love can opt out of his contract this summer and become a free agent, but the 26-year-old has insisted he is happy with the Cavaliers.

With Love, LeBron James and Kyrie Irving, the Cavs have a core trio of stars who can keep them among the league's elite for years — as long as they can keep them together.

James said Tuesday that he didn't know what Love's plans are going forward, and now was not the time to consider anyone's future.

"I don't think he's thought about the offseason or what he wants to do," James said. "I haven't had that conversation with him and I shouldn't have to have that conversation with him, especially right now when we're going through this challenge and this battle of trying to win a championship."

It will be tough for the Cavs to replace Love's points, rebounding and his ability to space the floor during the rest of this postseason. Love can shoot from the outside — he made six 3-pointers in Game 3 against Boston — and Cavs coach David Blatt may try to offset his loss by using a smaller lineup and giving more playing time to Mike Miller and James Jones, two proven deep shooters.

Glad we won't be signing him.

smackeddog @ 4/30/2015 10:51 AM
Moonangie wrote:From today's NYT:

CLEVELAND — Kevin Love had surgery on his badly damaged left shoulder that could require six months of recovery, officially ending any remote chance he had of returning during Cleveland's playoff run.

Love, whose arm was yanked from the socket on Sunday by Boston's Kelly Olynyk during Game 4, had the operation at the Hospital for Special Surgery in New York on Wednesday. The team released a brief statement saying the forward had the procedure and that his projected recovery time is 4-to-6 months.

On Tuesday, Cavs general manager David Griffin said it was "highly unlikely" Love would return during the postseason. That distant possibility was erased by the surgery to a shoulder Griffin said sustained "extensive" damage. Love had ligaments in his shoulder torn on a play that has shaken Cleveland's championship hopes.

Love was battling for a loose ball when his arm got tangled with Olynyk midway through the first quarter of Cleveland's series-sweeping win over the Celtics. Olynyk pulled on Love's arm, causing the dislocation. Following the game, Love called the play "bush league" and said he was convinced Olynyk tried to hurt him intentionally.

Olynyk did not get called for a foul on the play, but the next day the NBA suspended him one game for his actions.

Love finally made it to the playoffs in his first season with Cleveland, which acquired him last summer in a trade from Minnesota. The seven-year veteran struggled at times during a bumpy year with the Cavs, who will face either Chicago or Milwaukee in the Eastern Conference semifinals starting next week.

But Love had become more of an offensive weapon in recent weeks, and now the Cavs have to chase a title without him.

Love can opt out of his contract this summer and become a free agent, but the 26-year-old has insisted he is happy with the Cavaliers.

With Love, LeBron James and Kyrie Irving, the Cavs have a core trio of stars who can keep them among the league's elite for years — as long as they can keep them together.

James said Tuesday that he didn't know what Love's plans are going forward, and now was not the time to consider anyone's future.

"I don't think he's thought about the offseason or what he wants to do," James said. "I haven't had that conversation with him and I shouldn't have to have that conversation with him, especially right now when we're going through this challenge and this battle of trying to win a championship."

It will be tough for the Cavs to replace Love's points, rebounding and his ability to space the floor during the rest of this postseason. Love can shoot from the outside — he made six 3-pointers in Game 3 against Boston — and Cavs coach David Blatt may try to offset his loss by using a smaller lineup and giving more playing time to Mike Miller and James Jones, two proven deep shooters.

Glad we won't be signing him.

Don't be so sure- he ticks all the boxes: Serious injury, Injury prone, doesn't play defense- we will probably make a big push for him

smackeddog @ 4/30/2015 10:54 AM
It's weird how the bigger names of available FAs we were likely to pursue have come down with injuries: Aldridge, Wes Mathews, Afflalo, Love, Milsap (I suspect he has a tear in his shoulder and may have to get surgery if it doesn't heal on it's own)- now the basketball gods don't even wait until we sign the player!
mreinman @ 4/30/2015 10:55 AM
all signs point to monroe (who stays pretty healthy)

I think phil cannot try to build culture with injury prone players who can't stay focused on the triangle.

gunsnewing @ 4/30/2015 10:56 AM
Monroe or bust. DURABILITY. If not don't shoot your wad like in 2010. Wait til the next FA class
mreinman @ 4/30/2015 11:00 AM
gunsnewing wrote:Monroe or bust. DURABILITY. If not don't shoot your wad like in 2010. Wait til the next FA class

we can't wait.

Carmelo is too old and phil is picking grave sites.

GustavBahler @ 4/30/2015 11:10 AM
And Wiggins wins the ROY. Knew the Cavs never shouldn't have traded him. I get the feeling that LeBron didnt want to train his eventual replacement.
Bonn1997 @ 4/30/2015 11:26 AM
If we give him the max, our big two can spend the whole summer and fall together rehabbing!
mreinman @ 4/30/2015 11:27 AM
GustavBahler wrote:And Wiggins wins the ROY. Knew the Cavs never shouldn't have traded him. I get the feeling that LeBron didnt want to train his eventual replacement.

should have been mirotic ... oh well

The wiggins trade was a huge win for the wolves.

Bonn1997 @ 4/30/2015 11:38 AM
mreinman wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:And Wiggins wins the ROY. Knew the Cavs never shouldn't have traded him. I get the feeling that LeBron didnt want to train his eventual replacement.

should have been mirotic ... oh well

The wiggins trade was a huge win for the wolves.


based on what? not the advanced stats that you usually use
Moonangie @ 4/30/2015 12:06 PM
mreinman wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Monroe or bust. DURABILITY. If not don't shoot your wad like in 2010. Wait til the next FA class

we can't wait.

Carmelo is too old and phil is picking grave sites.

OMG, grave sites. That was kind of morbidly funny.

Keep in mind we may get Melo to waive the no trade clause if things don't pan out in FA.

Bonn1997 @ 4/30/2015 12:21 PM
Moonangie wrote:
mreinman wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Monroe or bust. DURABILITY. If not don't shoot your wad like in 2010. Wait til the next FA class

we can't wait.

Carmelo is too old and phil is picking grave sites.

OMG, grave sites. That was kind of morbidly funny.

Keep in mind we may get Melo to waive the no trade clause if things don't pan out in FA.

The hundred mil remaining dollars is the no trade clause

Swishfm3 @ 4/30/2015 12:25 PM
mreinman wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Monroe or bust. DURABILITY. If not don't shoot your wad like in 2010. Wait til the next FA class

we can't wait.

Carmelo is too old and phil is picking grave sites.

That's exactly right. The FANS can't wait.

Phil has to ignore the delusional "fan" and media and get this right.

Nalod @ 4/30/2015 12:36 PM
GustavBahler wrote:And Wiggins wins the ROY. Knew the Cavs never shouldn't have traded him. I get the feeling that LeBron didnt want to train his eventual replacement.

and you knew Love would get hurt too?

Trade was about NOW.
What did Miami not have? Rim protecter. Birdman got old and limited min.
When Varajao went down, Cavs suffered. When MOz got there, they got it.

Cavs with Love own the east for the next 3 years. Wiggins has great potential, but that takes time. He was no. 1 pick, of course you "Knew"!!
love was playing great. They had a good path to the finals!

GustavBahler @ 4/30/2015 12:54 PM
Nalod wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:And Wiggins wins the ROY. Knew the Cavs never shouldn't have traded him. I get the feeling that LeBron didnt want to train his eventual replacement.

and you knew Love would get hurt too?

Trade was about NOW.
What did Miami not have? Rim protecter. Birdman got old and limited min.
When Varajao went down, Cavs suffered. When MOz got there, they got it.

Cavs with Love own the east for the next 3 years. Wiggins has great potential, but that takes time. He was no. 1 pick, of course you "Knew"!!
love was playing great. They had a good path to the finals!

I knew that Love getting hurt and out for a prolonged period (given his injury history) was more than likely, cheap shot or not. I knew that Love will be a free agent this summer. I knew that Bennett didn't deserve to be the number one pick but Wiggins did.

You know that Cavs would "own" the east for 3 years when JR is already self destructing, Love still hasn't shown he's durable, and the Wiz, Hawks, Bucks, and Bulls are going to be around. Interesting.

mreinman @ 4/30/2015 1:01 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
mreinman wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:And Wiggins wins the ROY. Knew the Cavs never shouldn't have traded him. I get the feeling that LeBron didnt want to train his eventual replacement.

should have been mirotic ... oh well

The wiggins trade was a huge win for the wolves.


based on what? not the advanced stats that you usually use

talent ... as I said, he did not deserve rookie of the year (based on his stats)

what are you saying? that they should have / could have gotten more for love?

Moonangie @ 4/30/2015 1:34 PM
Nalod wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:And Wiggins wins the ROY. Knew the Cavs never shouldn't have traded him. I get the feeling that LeBron didnt want to train his eventual replacement.

and you knew Love would get hurt too?

Trade was about NOW.
What did Miami not have? Rim protecter. Birdman got old and limited min.
When Varajao went down, Cavs suffered. When MOz got there, they got it.

Cavs with Love own the east for the next 3 years. Wiggins has great potential, but that takes time. He was no. 1 pick, of course you "Knew"!!
love was playing great. They had a good path to the finals!

DC might have had something to say about that. Just sayin...

Bonn1997 @ 4/30/2015 1:49 PM
mreinman wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
mreinman wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:And Wiggins wins the ROY. Knew the Cavs never shouldn't have traded him. I get the feeling that LeBron didnt want to train his eventual replacement.

should have been mirotic ... oh well

The wiggins trade was a huge win for the wolves.


based on what? not the advanced stats that you usually use

talent ... as I said, he did not deserve rookie of the year (based on his stats)

what are you saying? that they should have / could have gotten more for love?


Based on the advanced stats, Wiggins has been a below average NBA rookie and keeping him would have been a disaster for this year. Nothing in the stats that I've seen indicates he'll be an excellent player - he has a long way to go just to get to average.
Nalod @ 4/30/2015 2:17 PM
GustavBahler wrote:
Nalod wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:And Wiggins wins the ROY. Knew the Cavs never shouldn't have traded him. I get the feeling that LeBron didnt want to train his eventual replacement.

and you knew Love would get hurt too?

Trade was about NOW.
What did Miami not have? Rim protecter. Birdman got old and limited min.
When Varajao went down, Cavs suffered. When MOz got there, they got it.

Cavs with Love own the east for the next 3 years. Wiggins has great potential, but that takes time. He was no. 1 pick, of course you "Knew"!!
love was playing great. They had a good path to the finals!

I knew that Love getting hurt and out for a prolonged period (given his injury history) was more than likely, cheap shot or not. I knew that Love will be a free agent this summer. I knew that Bennett didn't deserve to be the number one pick but Wiggins did.

You know that Cavs would "own" the east for 3 years when JR is already self destructing, Love still hasn't shown he's durable, and the Wiz, Hawks, Bucks, and Bulls are going to be around. Interesting.


Of course I don't know they own the east, but basically they seem to be on a very good trajectory the last 20 games and Love was having his best games as a Cav.
Lebron in his current form is still the best player on the planet and few give him credit for the job he did in Miami. Unfreaking real is what he was and acocomplished.

As for the Cavs or any other team, injury is a part of the season. Love's back is the only problem reaccuring but all playears get banged up.

Intersting? Always!!!

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