Knicks · Another potential trade the "3 pick" (page 1)

I wouldn't trade a #3 for two players with only a month of consistent success. And a 23rd pick

Doesn't matter anyways. ..it wont happen

BRIGGS wrote:C J Mcollum Meyers Leonard and Pick 23 for pick "3"

TripleThreat wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:C J Mcollum Meyers Leonard and Pick 23 for pick "3"

What most pro sports want to avoid is heavy regulation of movement of coaching and front office personnel. By heavily regulating them, it would then open the door to unionization of said group, which would create an additional type of collective bargaining that the owner's in any pro sport don't want. It's already difficult enough to regulate the officials and players and their respective unions.

Examples of this went back to when Al Davis traded Jon Gruden to the Tampa Bay Bucs for several draft assets. Then Oakland again crept into controversy when Hue Jackson, after Davis died, took control briefly and pushed through a woefully lopsided trade with the Bengals, after which the Bengals hired Jackson after the Raiders fired him. It's an ugly can of worms when issues like collusion start to creep into the conversation. Also anything that leads to the collective bargaining of coaches will almost implicitly start to see said coaches and front office personnel be seen as assets to move, thus empowering large market teams again ( they simply have the financial warchest to eat coaching salary mistakes and absorb or dump contracts )

The above trade suggestion is so woefully lopsided and against any type of modern era NBA precedent that the league would be forced to investigate. It's so egregiously lopsided that it could actually trigger a labor issue in the next CBA fight.

The Mad Russian in Brooklyn would be happy though, because the just about nuclear level trade rape of the Nets for what ended up being Damon Lillard for the corpse of Gerald Wallace would go to the backburner of deals where Portland absolutely hosed a NY team in a trade.

This is the kind of trade where if it actually happened ( it wouldn't), it would cause people to get fired and trigger a revolt from the NY Knicks fanbase.

Adam Silver would literally need to publicly state to the press and sports media and the entire NBA that Phil Jackson could have no future direct professional association via any kind of employement or consulting with the Nets or any business entity related to the Mad Russian or any of the other minority owners, for the rest of his life. ( i.e. so as not to look like the Hue Jackson fiasco)

Do you remember the HBO show Oz, where the drunk driving lawyer Beecher said at the end of the first season that he didn't fight the raping of the Aryan madman Schillinger because he felt he wanted to punish himself for killing a kid while driving sauced up?

Briggs has literally found a way to turn the Knicks into Tobias Beecher.

Thanks Briggs, for the bringing the New York Beechers into existence.

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This trade would never happen. Adam Silver would literally veto it himself to protect the rest of the league from Phil Jackson and the Knicks at that point. It violates just about any semblance of using NBA modern draft history and draft trades as precedent.

So in other words, you don't like the trade?

TripleThreat wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:C J Mcollum Meyers Leonard and Pick 23 for pick "3"

What most pro sports want to avoid is heavy regulation of movement of coaching and front office personnel. By heavily regulating them, it would then open the door to unionization of said group, which would create an additional type of collective bargaining that the owner's in any pro sport don't want. It's already difficult enough to regulate the officials and players and their respective unions.

Examples of this went back to when Al Davis traded Jon Gruden to the Tampa Bay Bucs for several draft assets. Then Oakland again crept into controversy when Hue Jackson, after Davis died, took control briefly and pushed through a woefully lopsided trade with the Bengals, after which the Bengals hired Jackson after the Raiders fired him. It's an ugly can of worms when issues like collusion start to creep into the conversation. Also anything that leads to the collective bargaining of coaches will almost implicitly start to see said coaches and front office personnel be seen as assets to move, thus empowering large market teams again ( they simply have the financial warchest to eat coaching salary mistakes and absorb or dump contracts )

The above trade suggestion is so woefully lopsided and against any type of modern era NBA precedent that the league would be forced to investigate. It's so egregiously lopsided that it could actually trigger a labor issue in the next CBA fight.

The Mad Russian in Brooklyn would be happy though, because the just about nuclear level trade rape of the Nets for what ended up being Damon Lillard for the corpse of Gerald Wallace would go to the backburner of deals where Portland absolutely hosed a NY team in a trade.

This is the kind of trade where if it actually happened ( it wouldn't), it would cause people to get fired and trigger a revolt from the NY Knicks fanbase.

Adam Silver would literally need to publicly state to the press and sports media and the entire NBA that Phil Jackson could have no future direct professional association via any kind of employement or consulting with the Nets or any business entity related to the Mad Russian or any of the other minority owners, for the rest of his life. ( i.e. so as not to look like the Hue Jackson fiasco)

Do you remember the HBO show Oz, where the drunk driving lawyer Beecher said at the end of the first season that he didn't fight the raping of the Aryan madman Schillinger because he felt he wanted to punish himself for killing a kid while driving sauced up?

Briggs has literally found a way to turn the Knicks into Tobias Beecher.

Thanks Briggs, for the bringing the New York Beechers into existence.

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This trade would never happen. Adam Silver would literally veto it himself to protect the rest of the league from Phil Jackson and the Knicks at that point. It violates just about any semblance of using NBA modern draft history and draft trades as precedent.

If I was the Blazers there is no way I'd do this deal. My bet is McCollum by himself is better than anyone we pick at 3. Watch mccolum and Leonard's level of play next year compared to our draft pick and get back to me on that one and that not including pick 23. McCollum is going to be a star Leonard a burgeoning force. How many times have I gone back and say well what I said came true. After pick 2 this draft becomes unknown. We can project but we will have no answers for a good period of time. Go ask a blazer fan if they would do this with towns and okafor gone

Uptown wrote:McCollum's emergence has made Matthews expendable.....Why does Portland do this?

It's like saying would I trade pick 3 or 4 for picks 11 14 23 but picks 11 and 14 have two years of nba development as well

BRIGGS wrote:

Uptown wrote:McCollum's emergence has made Matthews expendable.....Why does Portland do this?

It's like saying would I trade pick 3 or 4 for picks 11 14 23 but picks 11 and 14 have two years of nba development as well

Uptown wrote:McCollum's emergence has made Matthews expendable.....Why does Portland do this?

Yep. Posted an article where the Blazers gm is very non committal in regards to Matthews.

TripleThreat wrote:

Panos wrote:So in other words, you don't like the trade?

Collusion would be the only explanation for this kind of trade to actually happen.

For Phil Jackson to do this would go beyond being naive as a first time GM or even just bizarre ineptness, it would have to take an outright corrupt act, for any of this to go down as Briggs describes.

I happen to think Christian Wood is a top 5 prospect. I know you have no idea who I'm talking about nor have you seen him play so it's tough to have a conversation.

Wood is the only player in this draft who was top 10 in blocked shots rebounding 2 pt field goals % who also hit more than 30 3 point shots in this draft. He's 3 months younger than Karl towns he started can @ 17. His upside is top 5 and the only reason he's not a lock 3 pick in this draft is 15 pounds. If someone said Briggs I'm going to give you a 7-1 260 of c/ of who lead the nba in ft and 3 fg % for players 6-10 who is ready to break out with what I personally feel is a top 5 athletic of prospect and a SG who has 20++ scoring abilities from the SG position. You really have no clue about 1 of these players I'm talking about you only have fringe knowledge of nba players. I think Russell and Winslow will be good players but do I think one of them is better than the three of those guys. Not close not close not close if I had to lay 25 k I'd take the bet one of the three players I mentioned will be better then the player we pick by themselves-- that's how confidant I am in what i say

TripleThreat wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I happen to think Christian Wood is a top 5 prospect. I know you have no idea who I'm talking about nor have you seen him play so it's tough to have a conversation.

You really have no clue about 1 of these players I'm talking about you only have fringe knowledge of nba players. .... if I had to lay 25 k I'd take the bet one of the three players I mentioned will be better then the player we pick by themselves-- that's how confidant I am in what i say

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_hominem

An ad hominem argument has the basic form:

A makes claim X
There is something objectionable about A
Therefore X is false

Triple Threat--its a whole lot better than your suggestion of paying 10mm for Robin Lopez! That would be quite an off-season!

That is the funny thing about draft picks, they could be worth a lot more prior to being selected, while the trade value got drop signifigantly after it is picked, and there are times it could be worth more
In general when a player signs a contract that is a CAP FRIENDLY deal, it could weigh more in terms of trade value, a reason why MosGoV was able to net 2 draft picks who is underpaid and Pacer's payed 1 draft pick for Scola as he had a very cost friendly contract *as a amnesty deal at 2m*, while shipping out Gereld Green and Plumlee who had no value on the Pacers due to their lack of playing time and fit for Green

Then there are draft picks that were drafted high and simply were not worth their qualifing offers in year 3 or 4, Derrick Williams will be the next one coming this summer
Many times a 1st rounder becomes a throw in and garbage for example

Larkin
Barbobois and the "Westbrook like athlete" ,Jared Cunningham
at one point, James Johnson, Brandon Wright, Wesley Johnson, Corey Brewer
Gereld Green, Miles Plumlee, Tyler Hansborough

Evan Turner
Wesley Johnson and Aminu *both of whom I think would help develop Thanasis and could play together and fit his strengths, along with Jae Crowder*
Tyler Zeller?

Tyler Ennis and Kendall Marshall