Knicks · Is there any attainable free agent better than a healthy David Lee? (page 3)
BRIGGS wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:BRIGGS wrote:I highly doubt it.I'd much rather have a 1 year commitment to Lee than a max contract for Monroe or supermax for Aldridge, especially if GSW is willing to sweeten the deal for us taking on his salary.
I don't understand with offering a player a one yr deal when your trying to build. When players don't feel like they are part of the future, and have to get question every other game about it, it takes away from actually focusing on your game. We have seen it on this roster over and over.
If your not going to give a guy at least a 2 yr deal, why bother.
Well the main reason would be to
A take their 2015 pick #30 and a 2020 restricted # 7 pick so we can have that asset for the future
B. Grab a player for one year who can play this systems well while we push free agency into 2016.I just think too many fans are one directional and not realistic in their thinking . They hear free agency and think we are the Yankess and well get whoever we want. Not working that way. If anyone can tell me the star players coming here--Id like to hear about it. Im all for LBJ to come here--a HEALTHY Durant James Harden? etc... otherwise there is NO game changer coming here. Thats why I said David Lee is likely better than any free agent we could grab and IF they pay us well to do so--it makes sense. That being said with the possibility picks 14+16 are open--Id rather keep David Lee in the corner for now.
I'm amazed that people don't understand this. In all likelihood the Knicks are going to be mediocre at best next year. Taking on guys like Lee and Wallace as 1 year rentals and getting 1st round picks in return seems like a no brainer. The move would be similar to the Lakers taking on Lin's contract for a year and getting a first & second rounder in return. The caveat is that this type of move is probably not palatable to the fan here who wants immediate winning results next year....however I just want the team to be built in a smart manner.....stockpile picks for either young guys or future trade pieces and make smart, cost efficient FA signings. As the young core gets stronger, then continue to add FA pieces who fit. I've been waiting 2 decades for this team to come back to sustained prominence.....I can wait another year if trades like this are made to bolster the team's future asset base.
holfresh wrote:I agree.. I think the shift is more to defense, and less to individual scoring (even more pressure on Melo). You need a roster full of versatile defensive players and you need your top scorers to not only be able to amass points but create for others as well. Its why Curry won the MVP and why Nash also won a pair and its why I would take Russell in the draft (his other worldly passing).BRIGGS wrote:TripleThreat wrote:BRIGGS wrote:I highly doubt it.You want the Knicks to pick up ( if it was even possible) an aging power forward known for his deficient defense, who will chew up cap space, has injury questions at this point and is well within his decline phase of his career?
To pair with Melo, an aging power forward known for his deficient defense, who will chew up cap space, has injury questions at this point and is likely to enter the decline phase of his career within his current contract timeline?
After Knicks fans and the franchise has been waiting to let the team killing contracts of STAT and Bargs, aging power forwards known for their deficient defense, who chewed up cap space, had injury questions all along the way and were well within their decline phases of their career?
There are two roads , as I've stated before in many other threads, to follow the same insane path to keep stockpiling expensive no defense power forwards. Lee cannot function as a center. So that means to get him and Melo on the floor together, Melo has to defend wings. This case means, since you've chewed up the cap, that the defense will rest on some rookie in the pivot or a journeyman. Good way to mentally break a rookie, by leaving them in a situation where they must anchor the defense completely as a first year player.
Or you can try to play Lee at center or figure out you need defense of some kind and then bench Lee. An expensive reserve who can't play D or watching your team get lit up each night like they were on the brunt end of some kamikaze attack run.
Wow, that sounds NOTHING LIKE THE PROBLEMS THE KNICKS HAD WITH STAT AND BARGS, does it?
No its a one year cure while GS gives me assets(2015 30 pick 2020 top 10 restriction) Your premise that we need a defensive PF is simply wrong. Have you watched even 1 minute of Blake Griffin--how's he holding up? Defense has CLEARLY taken a backseat to offense in the NBA--its important but its impossible to guard some guys and thats why smart good team gets to 110 a great deal of time. Triple Threat your a dinosaur--you think its still the 90's. Basketball is played a different way now--you need to come 20 years into the future. With the possibility that BOTH picks 13+ 14 are open for trade---Id much rather go there now. Ill take on 20mm for picks 13 and 14. This free agency is terrible and I bet you cant name any free agents at cost who'd youd like the kNicks to get who can actually help the team. Your posts are all the same negative but with no content--do you even know the names of 1/4 of the NBA players? The Clippers are in LA now--they moved from San Diego
I don't see Carmelo as a star player anymore--perhaps a secondary type star. Unless free agency can yield a star Id rather use my cap assets in other ways. I dont want to build a treadmill team like you do.
Chris Paul is one of the best defensive players in the league and so is Jordan..Barnes is adequate defensively and so a Austin Rivers..Spurs could have easily won that series if weren't for a bad call at the end of the game..Where has defense taken a back seat??..
holfresh wrote:BRIGGS wrote:TripleThreat wrote:BRIGGS wrote:I highly doubt it.You want the Knicks to pick up ( if it was even possible) an aging power forward known for his deficient defense, who will chew up cap space, has injury questions at this point and is well within his decline phase of his career?
To pair with Melo, an aging power forward known for his deficient defense, who will chew up cap space, has injury questions at this point and is likely to enter the decline phase of his career within his current contract timeline?
After Knicks fans and the franchise has been waiting to let the team killing contracts of STAT and Bargs, aging power forwards known for their deficient defense, who chewed up cap space, had injury questions all along the way and were well within their decline phases of their career?
There are two roads , as I've stated before in many other threads, to follow the same insane path to keep stockpiling expensive no defense power forwards. Lee cannot function as a center. So that means to get him and Melo on the floor together, Melo has to defend wings. This case means, since you've chewed up the cap, that the defense will rest on some rookie in the pivot or a journeyman. Good way to mentally break a rookie, by leaving them in a situation where they must anchor the defense completely as a first year player.
Or you can try to play Lee at center or figure out you need defense of some kind and then bench Lee. An expensive reserve who can't play D or watching your team get lit up each night like they were on the brunt end of some kamikaze attack run.
Wow, that sounds NOTHING LIKE THE PROBLEMS THE KNICKS HAD WITH STAT AND BARGS, does it?
No its a one year cure while GS gives me assets(2015 30 pick 2020 top 10 restriction) Your premise that we need a defensive PF is simply wrong. Have you watched even 1 minute of Blake Griffin--how's he holding up? Defense has CLEARLY taken a backseat to offense in the NBA--its important but its impossible to guard some guys and thats why smart good team gets to 110 a great deal of time. Triple Threat your a dinosaur--you think its still the 90's. Basketball is played a different way now--you need to come 20 years into the future. With the possibility that BOTH picks 13+ 14 are open for trade---Id much rather go there now. Ill take on 20mm for picks 13 and 14. This free agency is terrible and I bet you cant name any free agents at cost who'd youd like the kNicks to get who can actually help the team. Your posts are all the same negative but with no content--do you even know the names of 1/4 of the NBA players? The Clippers are in LA now--they moved from San Diego
I don't see Carmelo as a star player anymore--perhaps a secondary type star. Unless free agency can yield a star Id rather use my cap assets in other ways. I dont want to build a treadmill team like you do.
Chris Paul is one of the best defensive players in the league and so is Jordan..Barnes is adequate defensively and so a Austin Rivers..Spurs could have easily won that series if weren't for a bad call at the end of the game..Where has defense taken a back seat??..
HMM 20 years ago the Knicks were lucky to score 90 and would still win a lot of games. Not so anymore.
BRIGGS wrote:holfresh wrote:BRIGGS wrote:TripleThreat wrote:BRIGGS wrote:I highly doubt it.You want the Knicks to pick up ( if it was even possible) an aging power forward known for his deficient defense, who will chew up cap space, has injury questions at this point and is well within his decline phase of his career?
To pair with Melo, an aging power forward known for his deficient defense, who will chew up cap space, has injury questions at this point and is likely to enter the decline phase of his career within his current contract timeline?
After Knicks fans and the franchise has been waiting to let the team killing contracts of STAT and Bargs, aging power forwards known for their deficient defense, who chewed up cap space, had injury questions all along the way and were well within their decline phases of their career?
There are two roads , as I've stated before in many other threads, to follow the same insane path to keep stockpiling expensive no defense power forwards. Lee cannot function as a center. So that means to get him and Melo on the floor together, Melo has to defend wings. This case means, since you've chewed up the cap, that the defense will rest on some rookie in the pivot or a journeyman. Good way to mentally break a rookie, by leaving them in a situation where they must anchor the defense completely as a first year player.
Or you can try to play Lee at center or figure out you need defense of some kind and then bench Lee. An expensive reserve who can't play D or watching your team get lit up each night like they were on the brunt end of some kamikaze attack run.
Wow, that sounds NOTHING LIKE THE PROBLEMS THE KNICKS HAD WITH STAT AND BARGS, does it?
No its a one year cure while GS gives me assets(2015 30 pick 2020 top 10 restriction) Your premise that we need a defensive PF is simply wrong. Have you watched even 1 minute of Blake Griffin--how's he holding up? Defense has CLEARLY taken a backseat to offense in the NBA--its important but its impossible to guard some guys and thats why smart good team gets to 110 a great deal of time. Triple Threat your a dinosaur--you think its still the 90's. Basketball is played a different way now--you need to come 20 years into the future. With the possibility that BOTH picks 13+ 14 are open for trade---Id much rather go there now. Ill take on 20mm for picks 13 and 14. This free agency is terrible and I bet you cant name any free agents at cost who'd youd like the kNicks to get who can actually help the team. Your posts are all the same negative but with no content--do you even know the names of 1/4 of the NBA players? The Clippers are in LA now--they moved from San Diego
I don't see Carmelo as a star player anymore--perhaps a secondary type star. Unless free agency can yield a star Id rather use my cap assets in other ways. I dont want to build a treadmill team like you do.
Chris Paul is one of the best defensive players in the league and so is Jordan..Barnes is adequate defensively and so a Austin Rivers..Spurs could have easily won that series if weren't for a bad call at the end of the game..Where has defense taken a back seat??..
HMM 20 years ago the Knicks were lucky to score 90 and would still win a lot of games. Not so anymore.
Every free agent or potential draft pick you have suggested do not play one iota of defense..I keep asking you this, the last 30 years of NBA Championships, show me the team that didn't have at least one elite defender on the front line..
holfresh wrote:BRIGGS wrote:holfresh wrote:BRIGGS wrote:TripleThreat wrote:BRIGGS wrote:I highly doubt it.You want the Knicks to pick up ( if it was even possible) an aging power forward known for his deficient defense, who will chew up cap space, has injury questions at this point and is well within his decline phase of his career?
To pair with Melo, an aging power forward known for his deficient defense, who will chew up cap space, has injury questions at this point and is likely to enter the decline phase of his career within his current contract timeline?
After Knicks fans and the franchise has been waiting to let the team killing contracts of STAT and Bargs, aging power forwards known for their deficient defense, who chewed up cap space, had injury questions all along the way and were well within their decline phases of their career?
There are two roads , as I've stated before in many other threads, to follow the same insane path to keep stockpiling expensive no defense power forwards. Lee cannot function as a center. So that means to get him and Melo on the floor together, Melo has to defend wings. This case means, since you've chewed up the cap, that the defense will rest on some rookie in the pivot or a journeyman. Good way to mentally break a rookie, by leaving them in a situation where they must anchor the defense completely as a first year player.
Or you can try to play Lee at center or figure out you need defense of some kind and then bench Lee. An expensive reserve who can't play D or watching your team get lit up each night like they were on the brunt end of some kamikaze attack run.
Wow, that sounds NOTHING LIKE THE PROBLEMS THE KNICKS HAD WITH STAT AND BARGS, does it?
No its a one year cure while GS gives me assets(2015 30 pick 2020 top 10 restriction) Your premise that we need a defensive PF is simply wrong. Have you watched even 1 minute of Blake Griffin--how's he holding up? Defense has CLEARLY taken a backseat to offense in the NBA--its important but its impossible to guard some guys and thats why smart good team gets to 110 a great deal of time. Triple Threat your a dinosaur--you think its still the 90's. Basketball is played a different way now--you need to come 20 years into the future. With the possibility that BOTH picks 13+ 14 are open for trade---Id much rather go there now. Ill take on 20mm for picks 13 and 14. This free agency is terrible and I bet you cant name any free agents at cost who'd youd like the kNicks to get who can actually help the team. Your posts are all the same negative but with no content--do you even know the names of 1/4 of the NBA players? The Clippers are in LA now--they moved from San Diego
I don't see Carmelo as a star player anymore--perhaps a secondary type star. Unless free agency can yield a star Id rather use my cap assets in other ways. I dont want to build a treadmill team like you do.
Chris Paul is one of the best defensive players in the league and so is Jordan..Barnes is adequate defensively and so a Austin Rivers..Spurs could have easily won that series if weren't for a bad call at the end of the game..Where has defense taken a back seat??..
HMM 20 years ago the Knicks were lucky to score 90 and would still win a lot of games. Not so anymore.
Every free agent or potential draft pick you have suggested do not play one iota of defense..I keep asking you this, the last 30 years of NBA Championships, show me the team that didn't have at least one elite defender on the front line..
What?
1985 Los Angeles Lakers 4–2 Boston Celtics [62]
1986 Houston Rockets 2–4 Boston Celtics [63]
1987 Los Angeles Lakers 4–2 Boston Celtics [64]
1988 Los Angeles Lakers 4–3 Detroit Pistons [65]
1989 Los Angeles Lakers 0–4 Detroit Pistons [66]
1990 Portland Trail Blazers 1–4 Detroit Pistons [67]
1991 Los Angeles Lakers 1–4 Chicago Bulls [68]
1992 Portland Trail Blazers 2–4 Chicago Bulls [69]
1993 Phoenix Sunsdagger 2–4 Chicago Bulls [70]
1994 Houston Rockets 4–3 New York Knicks [71]
1995 Houston Rockets 4–0 Orlando Magic [72]
1996 Seattle SuperSonics 2–4 Chicago Bulls [73]
1997 Utah Jazz 2–4 Chicago Bulls [74]
1998 Utah Jazzd 2–4 Chicago Bulls [75]
1999[e] San Antonio Spurs 4–1 New York Knicks [77]
2000 Los Angeles Lakers 4–2 Indiana Pacers [78]
2001 Los Angeles Lakers 4–1 Philadelphia 76ers [79]
2002 Los Angeles Lakers 4–0 New Jersey Nets [80]
2003 San Antonio Spurs 4–2 New Jersey Nets [81]
2004 Los Angeles Lakers 1–4 Detroit Pistons [82]
2005 San Antonio Spurs 4–3 Detroit Pistons [83]
2006 Dallas Mavericks 2–4 Miami Heat [84]
2007 San Antonio Spurs 4–0 Cleveland Cavaliers [85]
2008 Los Angeles Lakers 2–4 Boston Celtics [86]
2009 Los Angeles Lakers 4–1 Orlando Magic [87]
2010 Los Angeles Lakers 4–3 Boston Celtics [88]
2011 Dallas Mavericks 4–2 Miami Heat [89]
2012[f] Oklahoma City Thunder 1–4 Miami Heat [92]
2013 San Antonio Spurs 3–4 Miami Heat [93]
2014 San Antonio Spurs 4–1 Miami Heat [94]
Which team on this list that won a Championship does not have an elite defender on it's frontline??..Your claim is that defense no longer matters...
holfresh wrote:1984[d] Los Angeles Lakers 3–4 Boston Celtics [22]
1985 Los Angeles Lakers 4–2 Boston Celtics [62]
1986 Houston Rockets 2–4 Boston Celtics [63]
1987 Los Angeles Lakers 4–2 Boston Celtics [64]
1988 Los Angeles Lakers 4–3 Detroit Pistons [65]
1989 Los Angeles Lakers 0–4 Detroit Pistons [66]
1990 Portland Trail Blazers 1–4 Detroit Pistons [67]
1991 Los Angeles Lakers 1–4 Chicago Bulls [68]
1992 Portland Trail Blazers 2–4 Chicago Bulls [69]
1993 Phoenix Sunsdagger 2–4 Chicago Bulls [70]
1994 Houston Rockets 4–3 New York Knicks [71]
1995 Houston Rockets 4–0 Orlando Magic [72]
1996 Seattle SuperSonics 2–4 Chicago Bulls [73]
1997 Utah Jazz 2–4 Chicago Bulls [74]
1998 Utah Jazzd 2–4 Chicago Bulls [75]
1999[e] San Antonio Spurs 4–1 New York Knicks [77]
2000 Los Angeles Lakers 4–2 Indiana Pacers [78]
2001 Los Angeles Lakers 4–1 Philadelphia 76ers [79]
2002 Los Angeles Lakers 4–0 New Jersey Nets [80]
2003 San Antonio Spurs 4–2 New Jersey Nets [81]
2004 Los Angeles Lakers 1–4 Detroit Pistons [82]
2005 San Antonio Spurs 4–3 Detroit Pistons [83]
2006 Dallas Mavericks 2–4 Miami Heat [84]
2007 San Antonio Spurs 4–0 Cleveland Cavaliers [85]
2008 Los Angeles Lakers 2–4 Boston Celtics [86]
2009 Los Angeles Lakers 4–1 Orlando Magic [87]
2010 Los Angeles Lakers 4–3 Boston Celtics [88]
2011 Dallas Mavericks 4–2 Miami Heat [89]
2012[f] Oklahoma City Thunder 1–4 Miami Heat [92]
2013 San Antonio Spurs 3–4 Miami Heat [93]
2014 San Antonio Spurs 4–1 Miami Heat [94]
Which team on this list that won a Championship does not have an elite defender on it's frontline??..Your claim is that defense no longer matters...
No my claim i that offensive skills will outweigh defense in the modern NBA. If you dont have the ability to score 105-110 points--you simply wont win.
In the LAC 5v playoff wins they are avg 110.8-- As long as Chris Paul comes back--the Clippers have a GREAT chance to win this whole thing. It will come down to who can score more GS or LAC--teams will play D but thats secondary to scoring points. watch what happens.
Golden State is great offensively and defensively, which is tough to deal with and tough to achieve in building a team. They are the #1 defensive team and #2 offensive team.
PTS/G: 110.0 (1st of 30) ▪ Opp PTS/G: 99.9 (15th of 30)
SRS: 10.01 (1st of 30) ▪ Pace: 98.3 (1st of 30)
Off Rtg: 111.6 (2nd of 30) ▪ Def Rtg: 101.4 (1st of 30)
Expected W-L: 65-17 (1st of 30)
It's definitely an arms race but how the Knicks match up over the course of the next few years is going to be tough. I think Phil believes he must try to build a team that can defend better simply to slow the better offensive teams down a little. It doesn't seem realistic to think the Knicks can build a team that is even more potent offensively than GS or the other top scoring teams. He's gotta improve defensively and offensively just enough to compete on that higher level. He doesn't want to end up with a Dallas Mavericks, 5th offensively but 20th defensively.
BRIGGS wrote:TripleThreat wrote:BRIGGS wrote:I highly doubt it.You want the Knicks to pick up ( if it was even possible) an aging power forward known for his deficient defense, who will chew up cap space, has injury questions at this point and is well within his decline phase of his career?
To pair with Melo, an aging power forward known for his deficient defense, who will chew up cap space, has injury questions at this point and is likely to enter the decline phase of his career within his current contract timeline?
After Knicks fans and the franchise has been waiting to let the team killing contracts of STAT and Bargs, aging power forwards known for their deficient defense, who chewed up cap space, had injury questions all along the way and were well within their decline phases of their career?
There are two roads , as I've stated before in many other threads, to follow the same insane path to keep stockpiling expensive no defense power forwards. Lee cannot function as a center. So that means to get him and Melo on the floor together, Melo has to defend wings. This case means, since you've chewed up the cap, that the defense will rest on some rookie in the pivot or a journeyman. Good way to mentally break a rookie, by leaving them in a situation where they must anchor the defense completely as a first year player.
Or you can try to play Lee at center or figure out you need defense of some kind and then bench Lee. An expensive reserve who can't play D or watching your team get lit up each night like they were on the brunt end of some kamikaze attack run.
Wow, that sounds NOTHING LIKE THE PROBLEMS THE KNICKS HAD WITH STAT AND BARGS, does it?
No its a one year cure while GS gives me assets(2015 30 pick 2020 top 10 restriction) Your premise that we need a defensive PF is simply wrong. Have you watched even 1 minute of Blake Griffin--how's he holding up? Defense has CLEARLY taken a backseat to offense in the NBA--its important but its impossible to guard some guys and thats why smart good team gets to 110 a great deal of time. Triple Threat your a dinosaur--you think its still the 90's. Basketball is played a different way now--you need to come 20 years into the future. With the possibility that BOTH picks 13+ 14 are open for trade---Id much rather go there now. Ill take on 20mm for picks 13 and 14. This free agency is terrible and I bet you cant name any free agents at cost who'd youd like the kNicks to get who can actually help the team. Your posts are all the same negative but with no content--do you even know the names of 1/4 of the NBA players? The Clippers are in LA now--they moved from San Diego
I don't see Carmelo as a star player anymore--perhaps a secondary type star. Unless free agency can yield a star Id rather use my cap assets in other ways. I dont want to build a treadmill team like you do.
Briggs - I typically respect your opinion and consider you a solid Knicks fan even if you are somewhat over the top with your constant draft pick and trade desires.
Also I'm not defending Triple Threat here but your comments about defense taking a back-seat to offense is absolutely absurd.
Did you even watch the Clipper/Spur series --- there is one reason that the Clippers defeated the Spurs. They bought in with maximum defensive effort -- in game 1 they played probably the greatest defensive game in the franchises history. They gave absolute maximum defensive effort - almost to the level of the Pat Riley Knick teams.
yes - the rules cater to the offense but when the shit hits the fan in the NBA playoffs -- everything still comes down to what team can get stops. See the Bull / Cleveland game last night -- the Cavs could not figure out how to defend the Bulls Rose/Gasol pick/roll and the Bulls made it extremely difficult for Lebron to get into the paint and score easily.
We can argue this is a chicken or the egg situation but in my mind come playoff time it all comes down to key stops because every team in the final 8 has great offensive options.
holfresh wrote:BRIGGS wrote:TripleThreat wrote:BRIGGS wrote:I highly doubt it.You want the Knicks to pick up ( if it was even possible) an aging power forward known for his deficient defense, who will chew up cap space, has injury questions at this point and is well within his decline phase of his career?
To pair with Melo, an aging power forward known for his deficient defense, who will chew up cap space, has injury questions at this point and is likely to enter the decline phase of his career within his current contract timeline?
After Knicks fans and the franchise has been waiting to let the team killing contracts of STAT and Bargs, aging power forwards known for their deficient defense, who chewed up cap space, had injury questions all along the way and were well within their decline phases of their career?
There are two roads , as I've stated before in many other threads, to follow the same insane path to keep stockpiling expensive no defense power forwards. Lee cannot function as a center. So that means to get him and Melo on the floor together, Melo has to defend wings. This case means, since you've chewed up the cap, that the defense will rest on some rookie in the pivot or a journeyman. Good way to mentally break a rookie, by leaving them in a situation where they must anchor the defense completely as a first year player.
Or you can try to play Lee at center or figure out you need defense of some kind and then bench Lee. An expensive reserve who can't play D or watching your team get lit up each night like they were on the brunt end of some kamikaze attack run.
Wow, that sounds NOTHING LIKE THE PROBLEMS THE KNICKS HAD WITH STAT AND BARGS, does it?
No its a one year cure while GS gives me assets(2015 30 pick 2020 top 10 restriction) Your premise that we need a defensive PF is simply wrong. Have you watched even 1 minute of Blake Griffin--how's he holding up? Defense has CLEARLY taken a backseat to offense in the NBA--its important but its impossible to guard some guys and thats why smart good team gets to 110 a great deal of time. Triple Threat your a dinosaur--you think its still the 90's. Basketball is played a different way now--you need to come 20 years into the future. With the possibility that BOTH picks 13+ 14 are open for trade---Id much rather go there now. Ill take on 20mm for picks 13 and 14. This free agency is terrible and I bet you cant name any free agents at cost who'd youd like the kNicks to get who can actually help the team. Your posts are all the same negative but with no content--do you even know the names of 1/4 of the NBA players? The Clippers are in LA now--they moved from San Diego
I don't see Carmelo as a star player anymore--perhaps a secondary type star. Unless free agency can yield a star Id rather use my cap assets in other ways. I dont want to build a treadmill team like you do.
Chris Paul is one of the best defensive players in the league and so is Jordan..Barnes is adequate defensively and so a Austin Rivers..Spurs could have easily won that series if weren't for a bad call at the end of the game..Where has defense taken a back seat??..
This +100. Clips played the best defensive game of their collective lives against the Spurs. And in each game the winner came down to which team brought the most defensive energy each night - it really did.
nyk4ever wrote:who on those most recent laker teams was an elite defender? definitely not gasol or bynum...
Artest and Kobe --- pretty much the same formula as Jordan/Pippen but probably a notch below.
LivingLegend wrote:nyk4ever wrote:who on those most recent laker teams was an elite defender? definitely not gasol or bynum...Artest and Kobe --- pretty much the same formula as Jordan/Pippen but probably a notch below.
Also Ariza was great for them. That recent Lakers team was pretty good on defense. They were ranked 4th in defensive efficiency in 2010. and 6th in 2009.
H1AND1 wrote:Basically we replace Jason Smith with Lee (on an expiring deal) And we get a pick? Hard to see how that's bad.
I don't really care about Lee. I want the picks. Like Philly did with McGee.
I just don't see GS really doing this.
crzymdups wrote:LivingLegend wrote:nyk4ever wrote:who on those most recent laker teams was an elite defender? definitely not gasol or bynum...Artest and Kobe --- pretty much the same formula as Jordan/Pippen but probably a notch below.
Also Ariza was great for them. That recent Lakers team was pretty good on defense. They were ranked 4th in defensive efficiency in 2010. and 6th in 2009.
unless i misunderstood.. i assumed front-line to mean the 4 and the 5. if he meant front-line as starting unit, then i totally retract my statement because i totally agree about artest and kobe. just consider them perimeter defenders and not guys on my meaning of "front line"
LivingLegend wrote:nyk4ever wrote:who on those most recent laker teams was an elite defender? definitely not gasol or bynum...Artest and Kobe --- pretty much the same formula as Jordan/Pippen but probably a notch below.
Artest, Ariza, Kobe, Rick Fox was good, Gasol was adequate, certainly not a liability..
nyk4ever wrote:crzymdups wrote:LivingLegend wrote:nyk4ever wrote:who on those most recent laker teams was an elite defender? definitely not gasol or bynum...Artest and Kobe --- pretty much the same formula as Jordan/Pippen but probably a notch below.
Also Ariza was great for them. That recent Lakers team was pretty good on defense. They were ranked 4th in defensive efficiency in 2010. and 6th in 2009.
unless i misunderstood.. i assumed front-line to mean the 4 and the 5. if he meant front-line as starting unit, then i totally retract my statement because i totally agree about artest and kobe. just consider them perimeter defenders and not guys on my meaning of "front line"
A font line consist of SF, PF, and C..And a backcourt of SG and PG..Hoops 101 bro..