Knicks · Frank Kaminsky down to 17 on draft net update last night (page 1)

I said it from day 1 months ago--my number 1 goal this offseason was getting two bigs out of this unusual draft. Each step will require a cluster of luck and chance but we need to be ready and willing to do what it takes. And if it cant be done up top than as you look some VERY attractive names have fallen into areas of the draft that are very tempting and much easier to acquire.

The reason I put that poll up for 5's was to kind of show that we don't need to overspend our loot on players we dont see as 4-5 year solutions. That "maybe" its better to use the money in a way that it stays highly flexible--even IN season.

IF we spend our whole cap space or atleast to the point we cant get to full cap space--we might LOSE IN season opportunities for trades. With cap space comes the flexibility of movement. So our decisions need to encompass all scenarios.

I view an offseason where we get one of Towns or Okafor as a C AND if possible using cap space or a future 1 or whatever we have to do within reason to grab Kaminsky if he falls to look to get one of those and two AND Kaminsky. There is NO scenario in free agency--atleast to me better than that. If we had Towns and Kaminsky--even if they did not start--we d be in golden shape moving forward.

For around 12mm the ONLY player I really think is worth it in this free agency is Carroll. Ive read some posts where we will get Millsap for 11mm Anjica for 3mm and Green for 7. But the posters writing this are forgetting that there are 14 other teams with max cap space AND their own teams also willing to pay for their guys. It will NOT surprise me to see a guy like Green being bid up to 10mm from a team like the Magic who is looking for 3 point shooting etc.. I just think reality is going to hit. The one avenue that is possible is Monroe already making a deal with the Knicks(which I think might have legs along with WCS) but what the Knicks would be buying is the same thing that did not come close to working in Detroit. And I dont think WCS is Drummond in anyway.

Again I think this is the best route

Be as AGGRESSIVE in this draft s we can be target 8-10players with a goal of grabbing 3-4.
Also be aggressive in the D league--I like that kid Benimon he really looks like Anthony Mason(like a 15 pick in the draft with no barrier to entry) Kraft as a third PG.

That would be 5-6 minimum salary slots and I suggest using the spurs method of signing them to 3 year contracts with the 2nd 2 NON guaranteed to keep our flexibility both ways--why we did not do this with Galloway? No clue.

If we choose one free agent that we except to pay out for--in my opinion that would be Carroll and my guess is 12.5mm 4 yrs 50mm
Try to get Koufus for as cheap as possible--but it will still cost 5-6.5mm per and either Cole A or Thabeet as third C
Resign Scvheyd and Ill even keep Calderon in this case

Line up for example

Koufus
Anthony
Carroll
Galloway
Schveyd

Okafor or Towns
Kaminsky
Lance Thomas or Derrick Williams
Hardaway
Jose Calderon

Cole or Thabeet
Benimon
Thansis
Early
Kraft or Joseph Young

The goal is to "improve" the teams roster depth quality while preserving cap space adding assets getting much younger
while the team as a whole looks to move from 17 wins to 30-40 wins. This is NO where near our final roster slots but rather just the beginning of the turn around.

but wait...why did kaminsky move down that low? im not his biggest fan but i still think hes lottery worthy

callmened wrote:but wait...why did kaminsky move down that low? im not his biggest fan but i still think hes lottery worthy

Yep, I think he goes 10 or higher

What would this drop be based on... some kind of evidence gotten from the Combine that simple mortals like ourselves are not privy too?

I would wait until we start hearing things coming out of the team workouts these kids will eventually be going through-

Draft.net has guys like Portis, Turner, Johnson being taken before Kaminsky. It would seem that actual performance on the court is not valued much in some quarters when determining draft position.

WaltLongmire wrote:What would this drop be based on... some kind of evidence gotten from the Combine that simple mortals like ourselves are not privy too?

I would wait until we start hearing things coming out of the team workouts these kids will eventually be going through-

Draft.net has guys like Portis, Turner, Johnson being taken before Kaminsky. It would seem that actual performance on the court is not valued much in some quarters when determining draft position.

At this point, the combines are largely about measurements and athletics, so naturally Kaminsky will fall at this stage. However he will likely do well in individual workouts so his stock will rise again at that point.

smackeddog wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:What would this drop be based on... some kind of evidence gotten from the Combine that simple mortals like ourselves are not privy too?

I would wait until we start hearing things coming out of the team workouts these kids will eventually be going through-

Draft.net has guys like Portis, Turner, Johnson being taken before Kaminsky. It would seem that actual performance on the court is not valued much in some quarters when determining draft position.

At this point, the combines are largely about measurements and athletics, so naturally Kaminsky will fall at this stage. However he will likely do well in individual workouts so his stock will rise again at that point.

Jees je measured at 7-1 he was the tallest player in the draft and maybe the most skilled. If he does fall like that I hope the Knicks can somehow get in on it.

WaltLongmire wrote:What would this drop be based on... some kind of evidence gotten from the Combine that simple mortals like ourselves are not privy too?

I would wait until we start hearing things coming out of the team workouts these kids will eventually be going through-

Draft.net has guys like Portis, Turner, Johnson being taken before Kaminsky. It would seem that actual performance on the court is not valued much in some quarters when determining draft position.

Short arms.
Ugly
Ugly white
Can't jump cuz he's white.
Can only compare his upside to other great white hopes. Morrison, Hansbrough, 90's duke guys and Dirk.
Dare not say the four letter word: "Bird".
What is Kaminsky? I don't know, but he'll be one of those guys that will be on the Spurs and the rest of humanity will be green with envy.
Or he'll be Celtic.
Funny, what other 7 footer that has range and a decent handle and is not overly athletic?

Durant! Can one say Kaminsky is a poor mans white Durant? I doubt frank is rookie of the year but in the right situation the kid can play.

Nalod wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:What would this drop be based on... some kind of evidence gotten from the Combine that simple mortals like ourselves are not privy too?

I would wait until we start hearing things coming out of the team workouts these kids will eventually be going through-

Draft.net has guys like Portis, Turner, Johnson being taken before Kaminsky. It would seem that actual performance on the court is not valued much in some quarters when determining draft position.

Short arms.
Ugly
Ugly white
Can't jump cuz he's white.
Can only compare his upside to other great white hopes. Morrison, Hansbrough, 90's duke guys and Dirk.
Dare not say the four letter word: "Bird".
What is Kaminsky? I don't know, but he'll be one of those guys that will be on the Spurs and the rest of humanity will be green with envy.
Or he'll be Celtic.
Funny, what other 7 footer that has range and a decent handle and is not overly athletic?

Durant! Can one say Kaminsky is a poor mans white Durant? I doubt frank is rookie of the year but in the right situation the kid can play.

Agree his upside is being missed. If he is guarded by a 6-8 player--he brings them into the post. Its not talked about a lot but Frank has a very solid post game. I just want guys to play good team defense. Is there even one player left in the playoffs known as a defensive stall worth?

BRIGGS wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:What would this drop be based on... some kind of evidence gotten from the Combine that simple mortals like ourselves are not privy too?

I would wait until we start hearing things coming out of the team workouts these kids will eventually be going through-

Draft.net has guys like Portis, Turner, Johnson being taken before Kaminsky. It would seem that actual performance on the court is not valued much in some quarters when determining draft position.

At this point, the combines are largely about measurements and athletics, so naturally Kaminsky will fall at this stage. However he will likely do well in individual workouts so his stock will rise again at that point.

Jees je measured at 7-1 he was the tallest player in the draft and maybe the most skilled. If he does fall like that I hope the Knicks can somehow get in on it.

Yeah, but people focused on his wingspan- placing him at 17 is ridiculously underrating him

It's just one draft site. DraftX still has Frank at 10. I'm sure his ranking will change a few times before the draft.

nbadraft.net isn't a reputable site

DX Givony on Kaminsky

Under rated
Going to cause huge/ great mismatches
Incredibly skilled shooting handling passing
Exactly what many teams are looking for
Solid rebounder solid defender
Really knows how to play
I think he's going to be great
Believes he will go 7-12 range
Borderline all star for 8-10 years

Kaminsky... Hmm.

How about Chris Kaman as a benchmark? Or a less athletic (and taller) Juwon Howard? He looks and moves like a stiff, but he comes across as a high skill player who's maximizing his physical capabilities. That doesn't mean he'll be a superstar (he might be the next Brian Scalabrine - a guy who the experts tested as having the same brain type as Michael Jordan... but just didn't have the athleticism or talent by any means to get the same results).

He's got more game than a lot of bigs over the past decade. But he'll have a hard time cracking lineups because he just seems so slow on D - even just chugging up and down the court.

givony is a skittish dude. he blocked me on twitter because i said his mock sucks for having myles ahead of kaminsky. he finally smarten up and put him ahead

wh4t wrote:givony is a skittish dude. he blocked me on twitter because i said his mock sucks for having myles ahead of kaminsky. he finally smarten up and put him ahead

wht where would you pick Kaminsky straight up?

BRIGGS wrote:

wh4t wrote:givony is a skittish dude. he blocked me on twitter because i said his mock sucks for having myles ahead of kaminsky. he finally smarten up and put him ahead

wht where would you pick Kaminsky straight up?

ahead of willie trill, 6th

BRIGGS - what caused kaminsky to drop in less than one week? measurements and drills?

Carroll is a good player but does anyone really think he is worth 10+ mill per year????

he is essentially a very good role player...

we need to use the money wore wisely...

either on a PG or Center... which ever one we don't draft with our top pick...

does ANYONE know why kaminsky dropped so far in one week? thats a concern ..no?

I'd say Kaminsky is definitely worth a pick that low. I'm not sure he's going to be able to contribute right away and I'm not sure his upside is much more than vary good rotation player but I like his game, he seems to work hard, and he's been getting better. Totally worth a pick in the 15 to 20 range.

NumberTwoPencil wrote:I'd say Kaminsky is definitely worth a pick that low. I'm not sure he's going to be able to contribute right away and I'm not sure his upside is much more than vary good rotation player but I like his game, he seems to work hard, and he's been getting better. Totally worth a pick in the 15 to 20 range.

I personally think its going to be very hard to guard Kaminsky at 7-1. I dont like that he is 231 from 240 as that limits ability to play 5 but again I say why cant Frank be the next Dirk as a face 4?