yellowboy90 wrote:Imo, the great thing about Russell is that you can use him like Kobe or Jordan because of his size, length, scoring, and shooting abilities. Jordan, Pippen, Kobe, were also throwing dimes too. Positions are suppose to be interchangeable in the triangle.Also, Russell is a pretty good on ball defender and plays the passing lane well he just needs someone to hold him accountable.
Ad for Mudiay, a john Wall/Tyreke Evans would be suffocated in the triangle because of the player's inability to space the floor. Fundamentally, the triangle is about spacing
Spacing is important i agree, but Phil emphasized the importance of penetration first and foremost. Let's be honest, when chicago had Jordan, Pippen, Harper, Rodman, etc, none of them were great 3-point shooters. I would prefer a shooter, which is why i rate Russell slightly higher than Mudiay, but i can see based on Phil's want of penetration and defensive potential, him preferring Mudiay at the 3rd or 4th spot.
Knixkik wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:Imo, the great thing about Russell is that you can use him like Kobe or Jordan because of his size, length, scoring, and shooting abilities. Jordan, Pippen, Kobe, were also throwing dimes too. Positions are suppose to be interchangeable in the triangle.Also, Russell is a pretty good on ball defender and plays the passing lane well he just needs someone to hold him accountable.
Ad for Mudiay, a john Wall/Tyreke Evans would be suffocated in the triangle because of the player's inability to space the floor. Fundamentally, the triangle is about spacing
Spacing is important i agree, but Phil emphasized the importance of penetration first and foremost. Let's be honest, when chicago had Jordan, Pippen, Harper, Rodman, etc, none of them were great 3-point shooters. I would prefer a shooter, which is why i rate Russell slightly higher than Mudiay, but i can see based on Phil's want of penetration and defensive potential, him preferring Mudiay at the 3rd or 4th spot.
Phil has always tried to have a balance of skills on his teams. He always had 3pt shooting and big penetrating guards and wings. He always tried to have solid size on his teams as well. I think he'd love to pattern this team after his last Lakers teams.
1990-91 Bulls 1995-96 Bulls 1999-00 Lakers 2003-04 Lakers 2008-09 Lakers
Michael Jordan 27 Michael Jordan 32 Shaquille O'Neal 27 Kobe Bryant 25 Kobe Bryant 30
Scottie Pippen 25 Scottie Pippen 30 Kobe Bryant 21 Shaquille O'Neal 31 Pau Gasol 28
Horace Grant 25 Dennis Rodman 34 Glen Rice 32 Gary Payton 35 Andrew Bynum 21
Bill Cartwright 33 Luc Longley 27 Ron Harper 36 Karl Malone 40 Lamar Odom 29
John Paxson 30 Toni Kukoc 27 A.C. Green 36 Devean George 26 Derek Fisher 34
B.J. Armstrong 23 Ron Harper 32 Derek Fisher 25 Rick Fox 34 Trevor Ariza 23
Stacey King 24 Steve Kerr 30 Robert Horry 29 Derek Fisher 29 Jordan Farmar 22
Will Perdue 25 Bill Wennington 32 Tyronn Lue 22 Stanislav Medvedenko 24 Luke Walton 28
Cliff Levingston 30 Dickey Simpkins 23 Rick Fox 30 Horace Grant 38 Vladimir Radmanovic 28
Dennis Hopson 25 John Salley 31 Brian Shaw 33 Kareem Rush 23 Sasha Vujacic 24
Craig Hodges 30 Jud Buechler 27 John Celestand 22 Bryon Russell 33 Josh Powell 26
Scott Williams 22 Randy Brown 27 Devean George 22 Jamal Sampson 20 Didier Ilunga-Mbenga 28
James Edwards 40 John Salley 35 Brian Cook 23 Shannon Brown 23
Jason Caffey 22 Travis Knight 25 Maurice Carter 27 Chris Mihm 29
Jack Haley 32 Sam Jacobson 24 Ime Udoka 26 Adam Morrison 24
Knixkik wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:Imo, the great thing about Russell is that you can use him like Kobe or Jordan because of his size, length, scoring, and shooting abilities. Jordan, Pippen, Kobe, were also throwing dimes too. Positions are suppose to be interchangeable in the triangle.Also, Russell is a pretty good on ball defender and plays the passing lane well he just needs someone to hold him accountable.
Ad for Mudiay, a john Wall/Tyreke Evans would be suffocated in the triangle because of the player's inability to space the floor. Fundamentally, the triangle is about spacing
Spacing is important i agree, but Phil emphasized the importance of penetration first and foremost. Let's be honest, when chicago had Jordan, Pippen, Harper, Rodman, etc, none of them were great 3-point shooters. I would prefer a shooter, which is why i rate Russell slightly higher than Mudiay, but i can see based on Phil's want of penetration and defensive potential, him preferring Mudiay at the 3rd or 4th spot.
True but Russell gives you that too. You don't have to be an extreme athlete to be an effective penetrator just look at Curry, CP, Nash, Harden, or even in previous years Lance Stephenson. Great handling, the ability to change spreads, and a good hesitation dribble will be just as affective.
Also, hopefully Phil is not so dogmatic in his approach that he can't see how to mold his system with today's game.
Knixkik wrote:As far as the triangle is concerned, both top PGs are great fits because of their size and skill.
I don't see any problem at all with any of Towns, OK4, Russell or Mudiay fitting in the triangle and would be happy with any of those 4 being our pick and would also be happy with J.Winslow or K.Porzingis. So I'm not as worried as most on here about ending up with the 5th pick cause even though I haven't heard any rumors of the Knicks looking at him my favorite player in this draft after Towns is K.Porzingis. Nobody on here talks about him for some reason but he's gonna end up being the steal of this draft. If we do end up with the 5th pick and we don't trade down and the suspected top 4 are the first 4 picked then I'm pretty sure the pick will be J.Winslow and I even think that Phil could shock us and draft Winslow at 3 or 4.
yellowboy90 wrote:Knixkik wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:Imo, the great thing about Russell is that you can use him like Kobe or Jordan because of his size, length, scoring, and shooting abilities. Jordan, Pippen, Kobe, were also throwing dimes too. Positions are suppose to be interchangeable in the triangle.Also, Russell is a pretty good on ball defender and plays the passing lane well he just needs someone to hold him accountable.
Ad for Mudiay, a john Wall/Tyreke Evans would be suffocated in the triangle because of the player's inability to space the floor. Fundamentally, the triangle is about spacing
Spacing is important i agree, but Phil emphasized the importance of penetration first and foremost. Let's be honest, when chicago had Jordan, Pippen, Harper, Rodman, etc, none of them were great 3-point shooters. I would prefer a shooter, which is why i rate Russell slightly higher than Mudiay, but i can see based on Phil's want of penetration and defensive potential, him preferring Mudiay at the 3rd or 4th spot.
True but Russell gives you that too. You don't have to be an extreme athlete to be an effective penetrator just look at Curry, CP, Nash, Harden, or even in previous years Lance Stephenson. Great handling, the ability to change spreads, and a good hesitation dribble will be just as affective.
Also, hopefully Phil is not so dogmatic in his approach that he can't see how to mold his system with today's game.
Obviously Phil doesn't have a problem with a combo guard like Russell. He basically had a lesser version in Shved. They allowed Shved to run the 2 man game on the weak side which is probably how he'd use Russell. The reason being that's where all the space is to Shoot the 3, give and go, PnR, Drive etc. The strong side Triangle is overloaded on purpose. The other side is where Jordan, Kobe, Melo operate. Russell would be in the same kind of situation if in NY.
nixluva wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:Knixkik wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:Imo, the great thing about Russell is that you can use him like Kobe or Jordan because of his size, length, scoring, and shooting abilities. Jordan, Pippen, Kobe, were also throwing dimes too. Positions are suppose to be interchangeable in the triangle.Also, Russell is a pretty good on ball defender and plays the passing lane well he just needs someone to hold him accountable.
Ad for Mudiay, a john Wall/Tyreke Evans would be suffocated in the triangle because of the player's inability to space the floor. Fundamentally, the triangle is about spacing
Spacing is important i agree, but Phil emphasized the importance of penetration first and foremost. Let's be honest, when chicago had Jordan, Pippen, Harper, Rodman, etc, none of them were great 3-point shooters. I would prefer a shooter, which is why i rate Russell slightly higher than Mudiay, but i can see based on Phil's want of penetration and defensive potential, him preferring Mudiay at the 3rd or 4th spot.
True but Russell gives you that too. You don't have to be an extreme athlete to be an effective penetrator just look at Curry, CP, Nash, Harden, or even in previous years Lance Stephenson. Great handling, the ability to change spreads, and a good hesitation dribble will be just as affective.
Also, hopefully Phil is not so dogmatic in his approach that he can't see how to mold his system with today's game.
Obviously Phil doesn't have a problem with a combo guard like Russell. He basically had a lesser version in Shved. They allowed Shved to run the 2 man game on the weak side which is probably how he'd use Russell. The reason being that's where all the space is to Shoot the 3, give and go, PnR, Drive etc. The strong side Triangle is overloaded on purpose. The other side is where Jordan, Kobe, Melo operate. Russell would be in the same kind of situation if in NY.
Never gain mention shved and and Russell together
yellowboy90 wrote:nixluva wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:Knixkik wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:Imo, the great thing about Russell is that you can use him like Kobe or Jordan because of his size, length, scoring, and shooting abilities. Jordan, Pippen, Kobe, were also throwing dimes too. Positions are suppose to be interchangeable in the triangle.Also, Russell is a pretty good on ball defender and plays the passing lane well he just needs someone to hold him accountable.
Ad for Mudiay, a john Wall/Tyreke Evans would be suffocated in the triangle because of the player's inability to space the floor. Fundamentally, the triangle is about spacing
Spacing is important i agree, but Phil emphasized the importance of penetration first and foremost. Let's be honest, when chicago had Jordan, Pippen, Harper, Rodman, etc, none of them were great 3-point shooters. I would prefer a shooter, which is why i rate Russell slightly higher than Mudiay, but i can see based on Phil's want of penetration and defensive potential, him preferring Mudiay at the 3rd or 4th spot.
True but Russell gives you that too. You don't have to be an extreme athlete to be an effective penetrator just look at Curry, CP, Nash, Harden, or even in previous years Lance Stephenson. Great handling, the ability to change spreads, and a good hesitation dribble will be just as affective.
Also, hopefully Phil is not so dogmatic in his approach that he can't see how to mold his system with today's game.
Obviously Phil doesn't have a problem with a combo guard like Russell. He basically had a lesser version in Shved. They allowed Shved to run the 2 man game on the weak side which is probably how he'd use Russell. The reason being that's where all the space is to Shoot the 3, give and go, PnR, Drive etc. The strong side Triangle is overloaded on purpose. The other side is where Jordan, Kobe, Melo operate. Russell would be in the same kind of situation if in NY.
Never gain mention shved and and Russell together
I know, I know.
But you get the idea that Russell is a superior player who should excel in that same role. The reason it helped Shved is because he was no longer trying to run an entire offense. All he had to do was be effective in the 2 man game. It's a much easier role for a combo guard. The responsibilities for all the guards are reduced to only a few options. You pretty much know what you should do depending on what the defense does. You can have a guard like Shved who isn't exactly Jason Kidd or CP3 in terms of PG Skills, so just imagine what Russell could do in the same role?
Alexey Shved
Season Age Tm Lg Pos G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% 2P 2PA 2P% eFG% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
2014-15 26 NYK NBA SG 16 9 26.4 4.6 11.3 .403 1.6 4.4 .371 2.9 6.9 .423 .475 4.0 5.1 .780 0.9 3.7 4.6 3.6 0.9 0.3 1.6 1.6 14.8
Surely Russell in that role would have the talent to exploit the role even more.
