Knicks · Lets hope Winslow is the next Jimmy Butler (page 3)

smackeddog wrote:

mreinman wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:I think Mudiay is the pick.

cant be ... just cant be

I will laugh if the 76ers take him! You know there was that sudden story a month or two back saying the 76ers badly wanted him (and Hinkie has scouted him in person). They may go for the player with the biggest upside rather than best fundamentals- after all if you look at Embiid and Noels, they aren't your 'modern era' front court players, they were the picks with the greatest upside (and high risk). Lately all the talk has been 76ers going after Mudiay, but that could just be a smoke screen that was invented in case they got the 4th or lower pick.

I would laugh too because that would mean that we get russell.

I won't be laughing unfortunately

SupremeCommander wrote:why would the Knicks draft a guy who plays Melo's position when they can get a big lead guard, especially when we know PJax loves big lead guards in the triangle?

fishmike wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:why would the Knicks draft a guy who plays Melo's position when they can get a big lead guard, especially when we know PJax loves big lead guards in the triangle?

I mean for what its worth he was the highest ranked PG prospect in the land. I think you just take him and develop him. Unless there is some huge red flag. The only negative Ive heard is the suspect outside shot. There is massive upside. Not my preference but we will see

the last time I can remember when the top prospect heading into the year ended up falling to four was when New Orleans drafted Chris Paul. Not my favorite idea but then again what do I really know about the guy

SupremeCommander wrote:

fishmike wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:why would the Knicks draft a guy who plays Melo's position when they can get a big lead guard, especially when we know PJax loves big lead guards in the triangle?

I mean for what its worth he was the highest ranked PG prospect in the land. I think you just take him and develop him. Unless there is some huge red flag. The only negative Ive heard is the suspect outside shot. There is massive upside. Not my preference but we will see

the last time I can remember when the top prospect heading into the year ended up falling to four was when New Orleans drafted Chris Paul. Not my favorite idea but then again what do I really know about the guy

fishmike wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

fishmike wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:why would the Knicks draft a guy who plays Melo's position when they can get a big lead guard, especially when we know PJax loves big lead guards in the triangle?

I mean for what its worth he was the highest ranked PG prospect in the land. I think you just take him and develop him. Unless there is some huge red flag. The only negative Ive heard is the suspect outside shot. There is massive upside. Not my preference but we will see

the last time I can remember when the top prospect heading into the year ended up falling to four was when New Orleans drafted Chris Paul. Not my favorite idea but then again what do I really know about the guy

There isnt much to know about it. Its a bit frustrating. Hopefully he's pissed about droping to 4 and is a beast. With the Knicks luck he will implode and laugh to the bank while he collects is $20mm from his rookie deal. Sigh... getting closer and close to simply not caring.

This 100%. I will be 40 next year and this is the first time since I started watching this team (1982 with Hubie, Pat Cummings, Ken the animal Bannister, Louis Orr, etc) that I am on the verge of just not caring anymore. Even through the Isiah years, I knew there was no hope then but I was pissed about what a debacle we were. I cared. Every time I think there is light at the end of the tunnel, it's always an oncoming train. It's exhausting.

mreinman wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

mreinman wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:I think Mudiay is the pick.

cant be ... just cant be

I will laugh if the 76ers take him! You know there was that sudden story a month or two back saying the 76ers badly wanted him (and Hinkie has scouted him in person). They may go for the player with the biggest upside rather than best fundamentals- after all if you look at Embiid and Noels, they aren't your 'modern era' front court players, they were the picks with the greatest upside (and high risk). Lately all the talk has been 76ers going after Mudiay, but that could just be a smoke screen that was invented in case they got the 4th or lower pick.

I would laugh too because that would mean that we get russell.

I won't be laughing unfortunately

Yep, we're screwed

SupremeCommander wrote:why would the Knicks draft a guy who plays Melo's position when they can get a big lead guard, especially when we know PJax loves big lead guards in the triangle?

That's my main issue with drafting him- we need a PG, A SG, a PF and a C- to come out of the draft and this miserable season with a SF (the only position we actually have filled) would be depressing.

Thansis
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Timmy Hardaway

why are we going to draft another guard who might be a bit of a tweener---the Justice Winslow case is going to be closed unless he comes into NY and plays like LBJ in his workouts.

smackeddog wrote:

mreinman wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:I think Mudiay is the pick.

cant be ... just cant be

I will laugh if the 76ers take him! You know there was that sudden story a month or two back saying the 76ers badly wanted him (and Hinkie has scouted him in person). They may go for the player with the biggest upside rather than best fundamentals- after all if you look at Embiid and Noels, they aren't your 'modern era' front court players, they were the picks with the greatest upside (and high risk). Lately all the talk has been 76ers going after Mudiay, but that could just be a smoke screen that was invented in case they got the 4th or lower pick.

If they need a PG, Mudiay is the guy. He's a pure PG that will get their bigs involved. But don't they already have a non shooting tall PG in MCW? Seems odd for them to draft Mudiay, unless they see him starting over MCW. Russel is not a typical PG.....He can shoot like Steph and pass like Steph, but I don't see Russell as a floor general like Mudiay will be. Some compare him to Jason Kidd and Billups....even Deron Williams. These are legit floor general PG's. If the sixers were smart, and they are looking for a PG, it's Mudiay. Russell is a SG who can pass like a PG. He's a triangle type of guard. Mudiay is a fast pace transition guard.

The bad thing for us is Russell has instinct chemistry with the sixers bigs because they actually played together or know each other.

If Winslow is physically similar to Mudiay in size, them Mudiay should be the pick, since he's a natural PG. The problem is Melo already said he prefers a vet PG, not a rookie. And whatever Melo says, he's echoing Phil. Plus Melo has chemistry with Winslow. Winslow might be the pick.

blkexec wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

mreinman wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:I think Mudiay is the pick.

cant be ... just cant be

I will laugh if the 76ers take him! You know there was that sudden story a month or two back saying the 76ers badly wanted him (and Hinkie has scouted him in person). They may go for the player with the biggest upside rather than best fundamentals- after all if you look at Embiid and Noels, they aren't your 'modern era' front court players, they were the picks with the greatest upside (and high risk). Lately all the talk has been 76ers going after Mudiay, but that could just be a smoke screen that was invented in case they got the 4th or lower pick.

If they need a PG, Mudiay is the guy. He's a pure PG that will get their bigs involved. But don't they already have a non shooting tall PG in MCW? Seems odd for them to draft Mudiay, unless they see him starting over MCW. Russel is not a typical PG.....He can shoot like Steph and pass like Steph, but I don't see Russell as a floor general like Mudiay will be. Some compare him to Jason Kidd and Billups....even Deron Williams. These are legit floor general PG's. If the sixers were smart, and they are looking for a PG, it's Mudiay. Russell is a SG who can pass like a PG. He's a triangle type of guard. Mudiay is a fast pace transition guard.

The bad thing for us is Russell has instinct chemistry with the sixers bigs because they actually played together or know each other.

If Winslow is physically similar to Mudiay in size, them Mudiay should be the pick, since he's a natural PG. The problem is Melo already said he prefers a vet PG, not a rookie. And whatever Melo says, he's echoing Phil. Plus Melo has chemistry with Winslow. Winslow might be the pick.

You could have saved a lot of key strokes if you knew MCW is on the Bucks. I see what you are saying though they got rid of MCW so the can get a better shooting PG. Russell fits their needs they should take him. Knick on the other hand will benefit more from Mudiay he is more a slasher his shooting isn't as bad as people make it out to be, he shot a decent percentage in his games in China and of note their three point line is further out than College basketball. Remember Jason Kidd wasn't much of a shooter when he can into the league. He won rookie if the year and later went on to become one of the all time three point shooter in the game.

I don't think people realize how important a penetrating guard is he puts pressure on the defense draws fouls gets opposing teams in the penalty sooner than they want to be. I'm not to enamoured with Mudiay's shooting that will come and get better with time.

I ask you guys would you rather have Reggie Miller or Michael Jordan? One came out of college stroking the basketball the other was known for being a penetrator.

blkexec wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

mreinman wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:I think Mudiay is the pick.

cant be ... just cant be

I will laugh if the 76ers take him! You know there was that sudden story a month or two back saying the 76ers badly wanted him (and Hinkie has scouted him in person). They may go for the player with the biggest upside rather than best fundamentals- after all if you look at Embiid and Noels, they aren't your 'modern era' front court players, they were the picks with the greatest upside (and high risk). Lately all the talk has been 76ers going after Mudiay, but that could just be a smoke screen that was invented in case they got the 4th or lower pick.

If they need a PG, Mudiay is the guy. He's a pure PG that will get their bigs involved. But don't they already have a non shooting tall PG in MCW? Seems odd for them to draft Mudiay, unless they see him starting over MCW. Russel is not a typical PG.....He can shoot like Steph and pass like Steph, but I don't see Russell as a floor general like Mudiay will be. Some compare him to Jason Kidd and Billups....even Deron Williams. These are legit floor general PG's. If the sixers were smart, and they are looking for a PG, it's Mudiay. Russell is a SG who can pass like a PG. He's a triangle type of guard. Mudiay is a fast pace transition guard.

The bad thing for us is Russell has instinct chemistry with the sixers bigs because they actually played together or know each other.

If Winslow is physically similar to Mudiay in size, them Mudiay should be the pick, since he's a natural PG. The problem is Melo already said he prefers a vet PG, not a rookie. And whatever Melo says, he's echoing Phil. Plus Melo has chemistry with Winslow. Winslow might be the pick.

Trading MCW would make more sense if they had their heart set on Mudiay, otherwise they would have been better off keeping him and pairing him with Russell at SG- there is still hope Russell could fall to us

smackeddog wrote:

blkexec wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

mreinman wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:I think Mudiay is the pick.

cant be ... just cant be

I will laugh if the 76ers take him! You know there was that sudden story a month or two back saying the 76ers badly wanted him (and Hinkie has scouted him in person). They may go for the player with the biggest upside rather than best fundamentals- after all if you look at Embiid and Noels, they aren't your 'modern era' front court players, they were the picks with the greatest upside (and high risk). Lately all the talk has been 76ers going after Mudiay, but that could just be a smoke screen that was invented in case they got the 4th or lower pick.

If they need a PG, Mudiay is the guy. He's a pure PG that will get their bigs involved. But don't they already have a non shooting tall PG in MCW? Seems odd for them to draft Mudiay, unless they see him starting over MCW. Russel is not a typical PG.....He can shoot like Steph and pass like Steph, but I don't see Russell as a floor general like Mudiay will be. Some compare him to Jason Kidd and Billups....even Deron Williams. These are legit floor general PG's. If the sixers were smart, and they are looking for a PG, it's Mudiay. Russell is a SG who can pass like a PG. He's a triangle type of guard. Mudiay is a fast pace transition guard.

The bad thing for us is Russell has instinct chemistry with the sixers bigs because they actually played together or know each other.

If Winslow is physically similar to Mudiay in size, them Mudiay should be the pick, since he's a natural PG. The problem is Melo already said he prefers a vet PG, not a rookie. And whatever Melo says, he's echoing Phil. Plus Melo has chemistry with Winslow. Winslow might be the pick.

Trading MCW would make more sense if they had their heart set on Mudiay, otherwise they would have been better off keeping him and pairing him with Russell at SG- there is still hope Russell could fall to us

c'mon ... that was/is not the plan.

if you read anything about hinkie, you would see that he wants a shooter

mreinman wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

blkexec wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

mreinman wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:I think Mudiay is the pick.

cant be ... just cant be

I will laugh if the 76ers take him! You know there was that sudden story a month or two back saying the 76ers badly wanted him (and Hinkie has scouted him in person). They may go for the player with the biggest upside rather than best fundamentals- after all if you look at Embiid and Noels, they aren't your 'modern era' front court players, they were the picks with the greatest upside (and high risk). Lately all the talk has been 76ers going after Mudiay, but that could just be a smoke screen that was invented in case they got the 4th or lower pick.

If they need a PG, Mudiay is the guy. He's a pure PG that will get their bigs involved. But don't they already have a non shooting tall PG in MCW? Seems odd for them to draft Mudiay, unless they see him starting over MCW. Russel is not a typical PG.....He can shoot like Steph and pass like Steph, but I don't see Russell as a floor general like Mudiay will be. Some compare him to Jason Kidd and Billups....even Deron Williams. These are legit floor general PG's. If the sixers were smart, and they are looking for a PG, it's Mudiay. Russell is a SG who can pass like a PG. He's a triangle type of guard. Mudiay is a fast pace transition guard.

The bad thing for us is Russell has instinct chemistry with the sixers bigs because they actually played together or know each other.

If Winslow is physically similar to Mudiay in size, them Mudiay should be the pick, since he's a natural PG. The problem is Melo already said he prefers a vet PG, not a rookie. And whatever Melo says, he's echoing Phil. Plus Melo has chemistry with Winslow. Winslow might be the pick.

Trading MCW would make more sense if they had their heart set on Mudiay, otherwise they would have been better off keeping him and pairing him with Russell at SG- there is still hope Russell could fall to us

c'mon ... that was/is not the plan.

if you read anything about hinkie, you would see that he wants a shooter

Why did he draft MCW at all then?

yellowboy90 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

blkexec wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

mreinman wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:I think Mudiay is the pick.

cant be ... just cant be

I will laugh if the 76ers take him! You know there was that sudden story a month or two back saying the 76ers badly wanted him (and Hinkie has scouted him in person). They may go for the player with the biggest upside rather than best fundamentals- after all if you look at Embiid and Noels, they aren't your 'modern era' front court players, they were the picks with the greatest upside (and high risk). Lately all the talk has been 76ers going after Mudiay, but that could just be a smoke screen that was invented in case they got the 4th or lower pick.

If they need a PG, Mudiay is the guy. He's a pure PG that will get their bigs involved. But don't they already have a non shooting tall PG in MCW? Seems odd for them to draft Mudiay, unless they see him starting over MCW. Russel is not a typical PG.....He can shoot like Steph and pass like Steph, but I don't see Russell as a floor general like Mudiay will be. Some compare him to Jason Kidd and Billups....even Deron Williams. These are legit floor general PG's. If the sixers were smart, and they are looking for a PG, it's Mudiay. Russell is a SG who can pass like a PG. He's a triangle type of guard. Mudiay is a fast pace transition guard.

The bad thing for us is Russell has instinct chemistry with the sixers bigs because they actually played together or know each other.

If Winslow is physically similar to Mudiay in size, them Mudiay should be the pick, since he's a natural PG. The problem is Melo already said he prefers a vet PG, not a rookie. And whatever Melo says, he's echoing Phil. Plus Melo has chemistry with Winslow. Winslow might be the pick.

Trading MCW would make more sense if they had their heart set on Mudiay, otherwise they would have been better off keeping him and pairing him with Russell at SG- there is still hope Russell could fall to us

c'mon ... that was/is not the plan.

if you read anything about hinkie, you would see that he wants a shooter

Why did he draft MCW at all then?

mistake or as an asset.

mreinman wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

blkexec wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

mreinman wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:I think Mudiay is the pick.

cant be ... just cant be

I will laugh if the 76ers take him! You know there was that sudden story a month or two back saying the 76ers badly wanted him (and Hinkie has scouted him in person). They may go for the player with the biggest upside rather than best fundamentals- after all if you look at Embiid and Noels, they aren't your 'modern era' front court players, they were the picks with the greatest upside (and high risk). Lately all the talk has been 76ers going after Mudiay, but that could just be a smoke screen that was invented in case they got the 4th or lower pick.

If they need a PG, Mudiay is the guy. He's a pure PG that will get their bigs involved. But don't they already have a non shooting tall PG in MCW? Seems odd for them to draft Mudiay, unless they see him starting over MCW. Russel is not a typical PG.....He can shoot like Steph and pass like Steph, but I don't see Russell as a floor general like Mudiay will be. Some compare him to Jason Kidd and Billups....even Deron Williams. These are legit floor general PG's. If the sixers were smart, and they are looking for a PG, it's Mudiay. Russell is a SG who can pass like a PG. He's a triangle type of guard. Mudiay is a fast pace transition guard.

The bad thing for us is Russell has instinct chemistry with the sixers bigs because they actually played together or know each other.

If Winslow is physically similar to Mudiay in size, them Mudiay should be the pick, since he's a natural PG. The problem is Melo already said he prefers a vet PG, not a rookie. And whatever Melo says, he's echoing Phil. Plus Melo has chemistry with Winslow. Winslow might be the pick.

Trading MCW would make more sense if they had their heart set on Mudiay, otherwise they would have been better off keeping him and pairing him with Russell at SG- there is still hope Russell could fall to us

c'mon ... that was/is not the plan.

if you read anything about hinkie, you would see that he wants a shooter

Why did he draft MCW at all then?

mistake or as an asset.

yeah, as soon as I posted it I said everyone makes mistakes and maybr he has learned from his. Then again with MCW and Toney Wroten maybe he has a type and Mudiay is yhe best version of his type.

what dont you like about Mudiay?

yellowboy90 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

blkexec wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

mreinman wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:I think Mudiay is the pick.

cant be ... just cant be

I will laugh if the 76ers take him! You know there was that sudden story a month or two back saying the 76ers badly wanted him (and Hinkie has scouted him in person). They may go for the player with the biggest upside rather than best fundamentals- after all if you look at Embiid and Noels, they aren't your 'modern era' front court players, they were the picks with the greatest upside (and high risk). Lately all the talk has been 76ers going after Mudiay, but that could just be a smoke screen that was invented in case they got the 4th or lower pick.

If they need a PG, Mudiay is the guy. He's a pure PG that will get their bigs involved. But don't they already have a non shooting tall PG in MCW? Seems odd for them to draft Mudiay, unless they see him starting over MCW. Russel is not a typical PG.....He can shoot like Steph and pass like Steph, but I don't see Russell as a floor general like Mudiay will be. Some compare him to Jason Kidd and Billups....even Deron Williams. These are legit floor general PG's. If the sixers were smart, and they are looking for a PG, it's Mudiay. Russell is a SG who can pass like a PG. He's a triangle type of guard. Mudiay is a fast pace transition guard.

The bad thing for us is Russell has instinct chemistry with the sixers bigs because they actually played together or know each other.

If Winslow is physically similar to Mudiay in size, them Mudiay should be the pick, since he's a natural PG. The problem is Melo already said he prefers a vet PG, not a rookie. And whatever Melo says, he's echoing Phil. Plus Melo has chemistry with Winslow. Winslow might be the pick.

Trading MCW would make more sense if they had their heart set on Mudiay, otherwise they would have been better off keeping him and pairing him with Russell at SG- there is still hope Russell could fall to us

c'mon ... that was/is not the plan.

if you read anything about hinkie, you would see that he wants a shooter

Why did he draft MCW at all then?

mistake or as an asset.

yeah, as soon as I posted it I said everyone makes mistakes and maybr he has learned from his. Then again with MCW and Toney Wroten maybe he has a type and Mudiay is yhe best version of his type.

what dont you like about Mudiay?

that he is not a very good shooter. They are looking to emulate the houston model and russell fits that far more than mudiay (its really not even close)