Knicks · Do Not Trade the Pick. (page 2)

They are already talking about how this player they pick will be complementary to our 30 year old, already breaking down, never out of the second round all star.

Great.

franco12 wrote:I want Phil to trade the pick just so I can be done with this franchise - the owner deserves more ill to befall the franchise.

They are already talking about how this player they pick will be complementary to our 30 year old, already breaking down, never out of the second round all star.

Great.

Moonangie wrote:

crzymdups wrote:The Knicks should absolutely walk out of this draft with Mudiay, Russell or Winslow. Whoever they think is best. Two of those three guys will be available when the Knicks pick.

I'm starting to warm to the idea of taking Mudiay. I love Russell and hope he drops, but I'm intrigued with Mudiay.

That's about how I am feeling: Hoping Russell drops, but starting to check out Mudiay and seeing tons of potential.

Now if we could just trade Melo to Lakers and also snag Towns...it would be a dream come true.

That would be fine as long as you sign 3 Vets at SG, SF and PF.

Its a guard league right now. Getting Russell or Mudiay will help this team. Its not the end of the world.

right?

codeunknown wrote:I'll trade Carmelo and a 2018 1st round top 5 protected (in perpetuity) pick for the Lakers # 2 pick.

Bonn1997 wrote:

codeunknown wrote:I'll trade Carmelo and a 2018 1st round top 5 protected (in perpetuity) pick for the Lakers # 2 pick.

I think it's more likely we'll be trading this pick for Antonio McDyess Kevin Love

no you don't really

codeunknown wrote:I'll trade Carmelo and a 2018 1st round top 5 protected (in perpetuity) pick for the Lakers # 2 pick.

And in line with this improbable but interesting scenario, I draft Russell at 2, Mudiay at 4, sign Aldridge (20), D Jordan (20) and Carroll (10).

Mudiay
Russell
Carroll
Aldridge
Jordan

codeunknown wrote:

codeunknown wrote:I'll trade Carmelo and a 2018 1st round top 5 protected (in perpetuity) pick for the Lakers # 2 pick.

And in line with this improbable but interesting scenario, I draft Russell at 2, Mudiay at 4, sign Aldridge (20), D Jordan (20) and Carroll (10).

Mudiay
Russell
Carroll
Aldridge
Jordan

toronto would be thrilled

mreinman wrote:

codeunknown wrote:

codeunknown wrote:I'll trade Carmelo and a 2018 1st round top 5 protected (in perpetuity) pick for the Lakers # 2 pick.

And in line with this improbable but interesting scenario, I draft Russell at 2, Mudiay at 4, sign Aldridge (20), D Jordan (20) and Carroll (10).

Mudiay
Russell
Carroll
Aldridge
Jordan

toronto would be thrilled

No they wouldn't.

codeunknown wrote:

mreinman wrote:

codeunknown wrote:

codeunknown wrote:I'll trade Carmelo and a 2018 1st round top 5 protected (in perpetuity) pick for the Lakers # 2 pick.

And in line with this improbable but interesting scenario, I draft Russell at 2, Mudiay at 4, sign Aldridge (20), D Jordan (20) and Carroll (10).

Mudiay
Russell
Carroll
Aldridge
Jordan

toronto would be thrilled

No they wouldn't.

would too

mreinman wrote:

codeunknown wrote:

mreinman wrote:

codeunknown wrote:

codeunknown wrote:I'll trade Carmelo and a 2018 1st round top 5 protected (in perpetuity) pick for the Lakers # 2 pick.

And in line with this improbable but interesting scenario, I draft Russell at 2, Mudiay at 4, sign Aldridge (20), D Jordan (20) and Carroll (10).

Mudiay
Russell
Carroll
Aldridge
Jordan

toronto would be thrilled

No they wouldn't.

would too

1. How many wins does that team get?
2. What current relevance should/does Toronto's pick have on Knick decision making?

codeunknown wrote:

mreinman wrote:

codeunknown wrote:

mreinman wrote:

codeunknown wrote:

codeunknown wrote:I'll trade Carmelo and a 2018 1st round top 5 protected (in perpetuity) pick for the Lakers # 2 pick.

And in line with this improbable but interesting scenario, I draft Russell at 2, Mudiay at 4, sign Aldridge (20), D Jordan (20) and Carroll (10).

Mudiay
Russell
Carroll
Aldridge
Jordan

toronto would be thrilled

No they wouldn't.

would too

1. How many wins does that team get?
2. What current relevance should/does Toronto's pick have on Knick decision making?

a lot of relevance. The knicks can't stink next year and can't go into rebuild mode because that pick is gonna irk many for years.

Aldridge takes terrible shots
Jordan is great at cleanup and dunks but can't create anything and can't shoot foul shots
Carroll is a nice energy player in the Ariza role
Mudiay is a kid who can't shoot and if he is good, it may take a few years to see the fruits
Russell is going to have to get stronger and it will take him a few years to shine

an all rookie backcourt aint gonna work.

that team will lose > 50 games

mreinman wrote:

codeunknown wrote:

mreinman wrote:

codeunknown wrote:

mreinman wrote:

codeunknown wrote:

codeunknown wrote:I'll trade Carmelo and a 2018 1st round top 5 protected (in perpetuity) pick for the Lakers # 2 pick.

And in line with this improbable but interesting scenario, I draft Russell at 2, Mudiay at 4, sign Aldridge (20), D Jordan (20) and Carroll (10).

Mudiay
Russell
Carroll
Aldridge
Jordan

toronto would be thrilled

No they wouldn't.

would too

1. How many wins does that team get?
2. What current relevance should/does Toronto's pick have on Knick decision making?

a lot of relevance. The knicks can't stink next year and can't go into rebuild mode because that pick is gonna irk many for years.

Aldridge takes terrible shots
Jordan is great at cleanup and dunks but can't create anything and can't shoot foul shots
Carroll is a nice energy player in the Ariza role
Mudiay is a kid who can't shoot and if he is good, it may take a few years to see the fruits
Russell is going to have to get stronger and it will take him a few years to shine

an all rookie backcourt aint gonna work.

that team will lose > 50 games

Well, as with several of your recent assessments, I think you're completely off the mark.
Unfortunately, we won't have a chance to realize the experiment but that team wins 45 games in year 1. And 55-60 in year 3.
Regardless of you being irked for many years, distancing the "save face" component from future decision making will yield better cumulative results.

codeunknown wrote:

mreinman wrote:

codeunknown wrote:

mreinman wrote:

codeunknown wrote:

mreinman wrote:

codeunknown wrote:

codeunknown wrote:I'll trade Carmelo and a 2018 1st round top 5 protected (in perpetuity) pick for the Lakers # 2 pick.

And in line with this improbable but interesting scenario, I draft Russell at 2, Mudiay at 4, sign Aldridge (20), D Jordan (20) and Carroll (10).

Mudiay
Russell
Carroll
Aldridge
Jordan

toronto would be thrilled

No they wouldn't.

would too

1. How many wins does that team get?
2. What current relevance should/does Toronto's pick have on Knick decision making?

a lot of relevance. The knicks can't stink next year and can't go into rebuild mode because that pick is gonna irk many for years.

Aldridge takes terrible shots
Jordan is great at cleanup and dunks but can't create anything and can't shoot foul shots
Carroll is a nice energy player in the Ariza role
Mudiay is a kid who can't shoot and if he is good, it may take a few years to see the fruits
Russell is going to have to get stronger and it will take him a few years to shine

an all rookie backcourt aint gonna work.

that team will lose > 50 games

Well, as with several of your recent assessments, I think you're completely off the mark.
Unfortunately, we won't have a chance to realize the experiment but that team wins 45 games in year 1. And 55-60 in year 3.
Regardless of you being irked for many years, distancing the "save face" component from future decision making will yield better cumulative results.

which assessments don't you agree with?

you did not address my concerns with the lineup that you proposed.

mreinman wrote:

codeunknown wrote:

mreinman wrote:

codeunknown wrote:

mreinman wrote:

codeunknown wrote:

mreinman wrote:

codeunknown wrote:

codeunknown wrote:I'll trade Carmelo and a 2018 1st round top 5 protected (in perpetuity) pick for the Lakers # 2 pick.

And in line with this improbable but interesting scenario, I draft Russell at 2, Mudiay at 4, sign Aldridge (20), D Jordan (20) and Carroll (10).

Mudiay
Russell
Carroll
Aldridge
Jordan

toronto would be thrilled

No they wouldn't.

would too

1. How many wins does that team get?
2. What current relevance should/does Toronto's pick have on Knick decision making?

a lot of relevance. The knicks can't stink next year and can't go into rebuild mode because that pick is gonna irk many for years.

Aldridge takes terrible shots
Jordan is great at cleanup and dunks but can't create anything and can't shoot foul shots
Carroll is a nice energy player in the Ariza role
Mudiay is a kid who can't shoot and if he is good, it may take a few years to see the fruits
Russell is going to have to get stronger and it will take him a few years to shine

an all rookie backcourt aint gonna work.

that team will lose > 50 games

Well, as with several of your recent assessments, I think you're completely off the mark.
Unfortunately, we won't have a chance to realize the experiment but that team wins 45 games in year 1. And 55-60 in year 3.
Regardless of you being irked for many years, distancing the "save face" component from future decision making will yield better cumulative results.

which assessments don't you agree with?

you did not address my concerns with the lineup that you proposed.

Your concerns with the lineup are largely frivolous. Jordan not creating anything on offense is extraneous - he is the best rebounder in the league and a great defender. Aldridge does take bad shots, and while not optimal, results in a WS/48 of 0.165, quite productive. Carroll stretches the floor for 2 penetrating guards/ also a net positive player on both ends with a WS/48 of 0.154.

The only reasonable concern you had above is that the backcourt is in their first year. I expect both will be serviceable next year, in part because of Russell's immediate shooting impact and Mudiay's year of professional prep. Again, I'm not as irked as you are by what Toronto gets next year; what the Knicks get going forward is more salient.

codeunknown wrote:

mreinman wrote:

codeunknown wrote:

mreinman wrote:

codeunknown wrote:

mreinman wrote:

codeunknown wrote:

mreinman wrote:

codeunknown wrote:

codeunknown wrote:I'll trade Carmelo and a 2018 1st round top 5 protected (in perpetuity) pick for the Lakers # 2 pick.

And in line with this improbable but interesting scenario, I draft Russell at 2, Mudiay at 4, sign Aldridge (20), D Jordan (20) and Carroll (10).

Mudiay
Russell
Carroll
Aldridge
Jordan

toronto would be thrilled

No they wouldn't.

would too

1. How many wins does that team get?
2. What current relevance should/does Toronto's pick have on Knick decision making?

a lot of relevance. The knicks can't stink next year and can't go into rebuild mode because that pick is gonna irk many for years.

Aldridge takes terrible shots
Jordan is great at cleanup and dunks but can't create anything and can't shoot foul shots
Carroll is a nice energy player in the Ariza role
Mudiay is a kid who can't shoot and if he is good, it may take a few years to see the fruits
Russell is going to have to get stronger and it will take him a few years to shine

an all rookie backcourt aint gonna work.

that team will lose > 50 games

Well, as with several of your recent assessments, I think you're completely off the mark.
Unfortunately, we won't have a chance to realize the experiment but that team wins 45 games in year 1. And 55-60 in year 3.
Regardless of you being irked for many years, distancing the "save face" component from future decision making will yield better cumulative results.

which assessments don't you agree with?

you did not address my concerns with the lineup that you proposed.

Your concerns with the lineup are largely frivolous. Jordan not creating anything on offense is extraneous - he is the best rebounder in the league and a great defender. Aldridge does take bad shots, and while not optimal, results in a WS/48 of 0.165, quite productive. Carroll stretches the floor for 2 penetrating guards/ also a net positive player on both ends with a WS/48 of 0.154.

The only reasonable concern you had above is that the backcourt is in their first year. I expect both will be serviceable next year, in part because of Russell's immediate shooting impact and Mudiay's year of professional prep. Again, I'm not as irked as you are by what Toronto gets next year; what the Knicks get going forward is more salient.

those TS's would tank if they played together