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Bonn1997 wrote:Mourning was scoring in the mid to upper teens in college.
I predict Stein will be a less flashy version of Dan Gadzuric

That's your prediction. I see Stein as a better version of Kenyon Martin with skills comparable to Morning. Once he is able to showcase his offensive prowess, watch out

Mudiay is scaring me with being a bit too ordinary. They want us to think he's special, but i'm not getting that vibe. It's really hard to tell with his CBA stint and some Workout video. It's really gonna be a roll of the dice with him.

I agree with knicks1969, WCS is a supersize version of Kmart. He's got great agility and quickness, which is rare for a 7'er. I actually think he's going to eventually develop enough of his Mid Range game and a little low post to make him a big time player in this league. Tyson and other bigs have been able to have long careers without ever developing their offense. I think WCS has more natural ability to develop his offense. You could see it in how he moves and the touch he has on his shots. There's more there than a lot of other similar bigs.

Knicks1969 wrote:Stein will have a similar impact in the league as Alonzo Morning at both ends of the court.
Russell will be, as good as, Curry
Mudiay will NOT be as good as advertised
Winslow will have a similar career to Draymond Green

Let me know when you win the lottery.

GustavBahler wrote:I remember Tyson showing a jump shot before he left. Looked like he had added a weapon to his arsenal and then just stopped shooting. WCS apparently shoots in practice but not in games. You never know if WCS will take the next step.
At 4 that is a big if.

You can never go wrong drafting a big who dominated the collegiate ranks on defense with a top four pick. Kenyon Martin was the first pick of his draft and he had a great career. Injuries messed him up,but other then that, he would have been a force to be reckoned with

Howard was the first pick of his draft, and I for one did not think he would outshine Okafor

This is an opportunity for the Knicks to FINALLY pick a player that can play NY style if basketball. One who is a monster on defense and can help this entire roster to look good. He is a no brainer pick if you ask me. The two guys I would deer to over him are: Russell and Towns

Food for thought: Ibaka was thought to be non offensive player early on as well; and now he is a potent jump shooter at the PF position. Stein's mechanics shooting the ball are too good for him not to showcase them in an actual game. Just like Towns, I think Calipari underused these kids talents.

Knicks1969 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:I remember Tyson showing a jump shot before he left. Looked like he had added a weapon to his arsenal and then just stopped shooting. WCS apparently shoots in practice but not in games. You never know if WCS will take the next step.
At 4 that is a big if.

You can never go wrong drafting a big who dominated the collegiate ranks on defense with a top four pick. Kenyon Martin was the first pick of his draft and he had a crest career.

Howard was the first pick of his draft, and I for one did not think he would outshine Okafor

This is an opportunity for the Knicks to FINALLY pick a player that can play NY style if basketball. One who is a monster on defense and can help this entire roster to look good. He is a no brainer pick if you ask me. The two guys I would deer to over him are: Russell and Towns

I did pick Howard to be a better pro before the draft. I remember him being more active around the rim. Kmart was better in transition than WCS IMO. The names you mentioned were closer to all around players than WCS. I know he definitely brings something to the table but there are also question marks about his motor at times and his ability to do more on offense.

GustavBahler wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:I remember Tyson showing a jump shot before he left. Looked like he had added a weapon to his arsenal and then just stopped shooting. WCS apparently shoots in practice but not in games. You never know if WCS will take the next step.
At 4 that is a big if.

You can never go wrong drafting a big who dominated the collegiate ranks on defense with a top four pick. Kenyon Martin was the first pick of his draft and he had a crest career.

Howard was the first pick of his draft, and I for one did not think he would outshine Okafor

This is an opportunity for the Knicks to FINALLY pick a player that can play NY style if basketball. One who is a monster on defense and can help this entire roster to look good. He is a no brainer pick if you ask me. The two guys I would deer to over him are: Russell and Towns

I did pick Howard to be a better pro before the draft. I remember him being more active around the rim. Kmart was better in transition than WCS IMO. The names you mentioned were closer to all around players than WCS. I know he definitely brings something to the table but there are also question marks about his motor at times and his ability to do more on offense.

When you are not a featured player, you often don't play all out. Towns has also been criticized in the past for being lazy or don't play with passion, but 99% of you would want this kid as the first pick.

BRIGGS wrote:Kenyon martin was a dominant college basketball player on both ends. He showed up every game and dominated

Dominant? Not at both ends. He was a horrendous shooter; like Stein, he got his points on dunks

BRIGGS wrote:Kenyon martin was a dominant college basketball player on both ends. He showed up every game and dominated

that is the most ridiculous statement from you yet.

mreinman wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Kenyon martin was a dominant college basketball player on both ends. He showed up every game and dominated

that is the most ridiculous statement from you yet.

GustavBahler wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:I remember Tyson showing a jump shot before he left. Looked like he had added a weapon to his arsenal and then just stopped shooting. WCS apparently shoots in practice but not in games. You never know if WCS will take the next step.
At 4 that is a big if.

You can never go wrong drafting a big who dominated the collegiate ranks on defense with a top four pick. Kenyon Martin was the first pick of his draft and he had a crest career.

Howard was the first pick of his draft, and I for one did not think he would outshine Okafor

This is an opportunity for the Knicks to FINALLY pick a player that can play NY style if basketball. One who is a monster on defense and can help this entire roster to look good. He is a no brainer pick if you ask me. The two guys I would deer to over him are: Russell and Towns

I did pick Howard to be a better pro before the draft. I remember him being more active around the rim. Kmart was better in transition than WCS IMO. The names you mentioned were closer to all around players than WCS. I know he definitely brings something to the table but there are also question marks about his motor at times and his ability to do more on offense.

Offensively, Cauley-Stein is not particularly prolific, but nevertheless finds ways to contribute in small doses. He is a voracious floor-runner, getting out in transition frequently to beat guards and big men alike, and converting 77% of his field goal attempts in these situations when he does, one of the best rates in college basketball.

He's also a significant weapon to have as a cutter and roller off the ball, where he finishes 61% of his attempts around the basket in non-post-up situations. This was his most frequent source of production in college, especially off lob plays, and will likely continue to be so in the NBA, particularly in pick and roll situations where his ability to just spring up off the floor off two feet for emphatic finishes is a highly coveted skill.

Beyond that, Cauley-Stein is fairly limited, relegated to occasional flashes of offense creating in a straight line from the high post with an extremely quick first step and very rudimentary ball-handling ability. He also showed some improvement with his jump-shot as a junior, knocking down a handful of jumpers on the season, and increasing his free throw percentage from a dismal 37% as a freshman to a much more acceptable 62% as a junior.

He'll also contribute as an offensive rebounder (career 3.9 per-40), as his superior quickness and leaping ability allows him to go well out of his area at times, and his terrific second bounce gives him the ability to convert putbacks off multiple efforts.

From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com/#ixzz3cLF1cd00
http://www.draftexpress.com

WCS isn't totally devoid of ability offensively. He just needs to gain the confidence in his Post ups and Face up opportunities. He has the touch on his shots and the agility and coordination to execute post moves. He'd get a ton of touches and opps in the Triangle.

CrushAlot wrote:

mreinman wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Kenyon martin was a dominant college basketball player on both ends. He showed up every game and dominated

that is the most ridiculous statement from you yet.

Kenyon averaged 19, 10, and almost 4 blocks a game as a senior. He was player of the year. Stein ad a good career but it wasn't close to what Kenyon did.

12 points and 7 rebounds in the nba and horrific shooting.

good defender, TERRIBLE offensive player.

Knicks1969 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:I remember Tyson showing a jump shot before he left. Looked like he had added a weapon to his arsenal and then just stopped shooting. WCS apparently shoots in practice but not in games. You never know if WCS will take the next step.
At 4 that is a big if.

You can never go wrong drafting a big who dominated the collegiate ranks on defense with a top four pick. Kenyon Martin was the first pick of his draft and he had a crest career.

Howard was the first pick of his draft, and I for one did not think he would outshine Okafor

This is an opportunity for the Knicks to FINALLY pick a player that can play NY style if basketball. One who is a monster on defense and can help this entire roster to look good. He is a no brainer pick if you ask me. The two guys I would deer to over him are: Russell and Towns

I did pick Howard to be a better pro before the draft. I remember him being more active around the rim. Kmart was better in transition than WCS IMO. The names you mentioned were closer to all around players than WCS. I know he definitely brings something to the table but there are also question marks about his motor at times and his ability to do more on offense.

When you are not a featured player, you often don't play all out. Towns has also been criticized in the past for being lazy or don't play with passion, but 99% of you would want this kid as the first pick.

Difference is that Towns has serious post moves, reminds me of Zach Randolph at times. Towns is skilled on offense and defense. For me it comes down to risk. You're more confident than I am that he will progress. I can see his development going either way.

BRIGGS wrote:Kenyon martin was a dominant college basketball player on both ends. He showed up every game and dominated

That said, Martin was the first pick in one of the weakest drafts in recent memory. Could you imagine how much his game would get picked a part now. Limited upside, no range, tweener etc.

mreinman wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

mreinman wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Kenyon martin was a dominant college basketball player on both ends. He showed up every game and dominated

that is the most ridiculous statement from you yet.

Kenyon averaged 19, 10, and almost 4 blocks a game as a senior. He was player of the year. Stein ad a good career but it wasn't close to what Kenyon did.

12 points and 7 rebounds in the nba and horrific shooting.

good defender, TERRIBLE offensive player.

nixluva wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:I remember Tyson showing a jump shot before he left. Looked like he had added a weapon to his arsenal and then just stopped shooting. WCS apparently shoots in practice but not in games. You never know if WCS will take the next step.
At 4 that is a big if.

You can never go wrong drafting a big who dominated the collegiate ranks on defense with a top four pick. Kenyon Martin was the first pick of his draft and he had a crest career.

Howard was the first pick of his draft, and I for one did not think he would outshine Okafor

This is an opportunity for the Knicks to FINALLY pick a player that can play NY style if basketball. One who is a monster on defense and can help this entire roster to look good. He is a no brainer pick if you ask me. The two guys I would deer to over him are: Russell and Towns

I did pick Howard to be a better pro before the draft. I remember him being more active around the rim. Kmart was better in transition than WCS IMO. The names you mentioned were closer to all around players than WCS. I know he definitely brings something to the table but there are also question marks about his motor at times and his ability to do more on offense.

WCS is excellent in Transition. He scored at 1.4 ppp in transition.

Offensively, Cauley-Stein is not particularly prolific, but nevertheless finds ways to contribute in small doses. He is a voracious floor-runner, getting out in transition frequently to beat guards and big men alike, and converting 77% of his field goal attempts in these situations when he does, one of the best rates in college basketball.

He's also a significant weapon to have as a cutter and roller off the ball, where he finishes 61% of his attempts around the basket in non-post-up situations. This was his most frequent source of production in college, especially off lob plays, and will likely continue to be so in the NBA, particularly in pick and roll situations where his ability to just spring up off the floor off two feet for emphatic finishes is a highly coveted skill.

Beyond that, Cauley-Stein is fairly limited, relegated to occasional flashes of offense creating in a straight line from the high post with an extremely quick first step and very rudimentary ball-handling ability. He also showed some improvement with his jump-shot as a junior, knocking down a handful of jumpers on the season, and increasing his free throw percentage from a dismal 37% as a freshman to a much more acceptable 62% as a junior.

He'll also contribute as an offensive rebounder (career 3.9 per-40), as his superior quickness and leaping ability allows him to go well out of his area at times, and his terrific second bounce gives him the ability to convert putbacks off multiple efforts.

From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com/#ixzz3cLF1cd00
http://www.draftexpress.com

WCS isn't totally devoid of ability offensively. He just needs to gain the confidence in his Post ups and Face up opportunities. He has the touch on his shots and the agility and coordination to execute post moves. He'd get a ton of touches and opps in the Triangle.

Nix Im not saying he sucks in transition, just remember KMart being more creative, but that was a long time ago.

CrushAlot wrote:

mreinman wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

mreinman wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Kenyon martin was a dominant college basketball player on both ends. He showed up every game and dominated

that is the most ridiculous statement from you yet.

Kenyon averaged 19, 10, and almost 4 blocks a game as a senior. He was player of the year. Stein ad a good career but it wasn't close to what Kenyon did.

12 points and 7 rebounds in the nba and horrific shooting.

good defender, TERRIBLE offensive player.

He looked like a guy that was going to put up 16 and 8 for 8-10 years prior to his first micro fracture surgery.

his WS48 is a very measly .100 for his career. the only thing that he could do was play defense.

BigDaddyG wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Kenyon martin was a dominant college basketball player on both ends. He showed up every game and dominated

That said, Martin was the first pick in one of the weakest drafts in recent memory. Could you imagine how much his game would get picked a part now. Limited upside, no range, tweener etc.