Knicks · Give me your final top 4 (page 1)

Time to man up and give your final 5 list. If you don't give a list don't criticize others it's your chance to tell your tale

1 Karl Towns
2 Kristaps Porzingis
3 Deangelo Russell
4 Frank Kaminsky
5 Jahill Okafor

Towns
Okafor
Russell
Winslow

No change from a few weeks ago. These 4 min clips don't mean much to me.

Towns
Ok4
Russell
Stein

Towns
OK4
Russell
Mudiay

Bonn, Percey and myself just highlighted the 3 choices at 4.....No comment on Briggs top 4 or is this a top 5.....I'm confused by the thread title.

Three choices at 4.....

Stein, Winslow, Mudiay

Bonn1997 wrote:Towns
Okafor
Russell
Winslow

No change from a few weeks ago. These 4 min clips don't mean much to me.

2nd verse same as the 1st:

Towns
Okafor
Russell
Winslow

Workouts don't impress me; even benchwarmers look awesome when no one's guarding them. And hell, we're not even able to watch the whole workout so we don't what what was missed. A couple weeks ago Chad Ford has posted a clip of Mudiay hitting a bunch of 3s during a workout to hype him up; when a larger portion of the video was posted he was missing shots all over the place.

What matters more than anything else is production on the court. After that, it's how you feel those skills translate to the NBA. Adam Morrison, for example, was an undeniably great college player but I never thought for a second we was a legit NBA player (of course, I also thought the same thing about Steph Curry so what the fuck do I know).

blkexec wrote:Bonn, Percey and myself just highlighted the 3 choices at 4.....No comment on Briggs top 4 or is this a top 5.....I'm confused by the thread title.

Three choices at 4.....

Stein, Winslow, Mudiay

It's your top 4 guys but I meant to write top 5 at the top so just list your top 4 or 5 guYs

BRIGGS wrote:Time to man up and give your final 5 list. If you don't give a list don't criticize others it's your chance to tell your tale

1 Karl Towns
2 Kristaps Porzingis
3 Jahil Okafor
4 Frank Kaminsky
5 Mario Hezonga

Two Euro player in the top 5. Have you guys gone crazy. I think your just making a list so you can say I told you so.

Vmart wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Time to man up and give your final 5 list. If you don't give a list don't criticize others it's your chance to tell your tale

1 Karl Towns
2 Kristaps Porzingis
3 Jahil Okafor
4 Frank Kaminsky
5 Mario Hezonga

Two Euro player in the top 5. Have you guys gone crazy. I think your just making a list so you can say I told you so.

How about I believe in what I see. And if I said I think fuzaro is a top 10 player I guess I would be suspended from the board

Russell/Towns
Okafor
Kristaps

Vmart wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Time to man up and give your final 5 list. If you don't give a list don't criticize others it's your chance to tell your tale

1 Karl Towns
2 Kristaps Porzingis
3 Jahil Okafor
4 Frank Kaminsky
5 Mario Hezonga

Two Euro player in the top 5. Have you guys Briggs gone crazy. I think your just making a list so you can say I told you so.

BRIGGS wrote:Time to man up and give your final 5 list. If you don't give a list don't criticize others it's your chance to tell your tale

1 Karl Towns
2 Kristaps Porzingis
3 Jahil Okafor
4 Frank Kaminsky
5 Mario Hezonga

So what's the question exactly?? Who we think the top 5 guys that will get drafted in order or who will end up being the best 5 players to come out of this draft in 3/4/5 years when we can actually say who they will be??

newyorker4ever wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Time to man up and give your final 5 list. If you don't give a list don't criticize others it's your chance to tell your tale

1 Karl Towns
2 Kristaps Porzingis
3 Jahil Okafor
4 Frank Kaminsky
5 Mario Hezonga

So what's the question exactly?? Who we think the top 5 guys that will get drafted in order or who will end up being the best 5 players to come out of this draft in 3/4/5 years when we can actually say who they will be??

Who u think will be the top 5 players in the nba from this draft

BRIGGS wrote:

Vmart wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Time to man up and give your final 5 list. If you don't give a list don't criticize others it's your chance to tell your tale

1 Karl Towns
2 Kristaps Porzingis
3 Jahil Okafor
4 Frank Kaminsky
5 Mario Hezonga

Two Euro player in the top 5. Have you guys gone crazy. I think your just making a list so you can say I told you so.

How about I believe in what I see.

Well OK4, Towns and Porzingis are all a given that i'm sure 95% of us will choose so really it comes down to the next two but i'm still not understanding what the exact question is??

BRIGGS wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Time to man up and give your final 5 list. If you don't give a list don't criticize others it's your chance to tell your tale

1 Karl Towns
2 Kristaps Porzingis
3 Jahil Okafor
4 Frank Kaminsky
5 Mario Hezonga

So what's the question exactly?? Who we think the top 5 guys that will get drafted in order or who will end up being the best 5 players to come out of this draft in 3/4/5 years when we can actually say who they will be??

Who u think will be the top 5 players in the nba from this draft

Ahh i got it, so in about 4 or 5 years we'll come back to this so a bunch of people can say "i told you so".

Towns
OK4
Porzingis
D.Russell
Winslow
I really wanted to put a surprise player in there but this is really pretty silly cause any of these kids could get drafted into the wrong system or into any situation that doesn't work for that player or whatever. I guess in about 5 years we can come back to this and revisit how these players are doing at that time but this is really silly.

newyorker4ever wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Time to man up and give your final 5 list. If you don't give a list don't criticize others it's your chance to tell your tale

1 Karl Towns
2 Kristaps Porzingis
3 Jahil Okafor
4 Frank Kaminsky
5 Mario Hezonga

So what's the question exactly?? Who we think the top 5 guys that will get drafted in order or who will end up being the best 5 players to come out of this draft in 3/4/5 years when we can actually say who they will be??

Who u think will be the top 5 players in the nba from this draft

Ahh i got it, so in about 4 or 5 years we'll come back to this so a bunch of people can say "i told you so".

Towns
OK4
Porzingis
D.Russell
Winslow
I really wanted to put a surprise player in there but this is really pretty silly cause any of these kids could get drafted into the wrong system or into any situation that doesn't work for that player or whatever. I guess in about 5 years we can come back to this and revisit how these players are doing at that time but this is really silly.

Put any guy u want it's not silly I think fuzaro is a top 8 or 10 pick just my opinion and he may not even stay in the draft as its smarter to be a free agent next year and great if you look back in 2-3 years and say wel I was fairly on or darn was I off no big deal it's just a message board!

Can only say that I think Towns and Russell will be in the top 3 no matter how things fall...

At 4 I would therefore be looking at OK4, Porzingis, Winslow, and Kaminsky, with Mudiay as the dark horse.

We pretty much are guaranteed to see Winslow, Kaminsky, and Mudiay available at 4.

Some asides...

I think that character-wise, this is a great group of guys to choose from. There are supposedly some things about Mudiay that the Knicks were concerned about (Hahn), but I've heard no rumors of bad stuff since the interview. OK4 and Porzingis are BB lifers, Winslow is a winner, Kaminsky has built his game up and has gone from stiff to stud, and Mudiay has the PG stamp of approval from Larry Brown, which means something to a guy like myself who remembers Brown as an undersized crafty PG with a genius BB IQ

I think OK4, Kaminsky, and Winslow might be the best guys for the Triangle at this time, but the only guys who can hit the midrange shot that is a hallmark of the triangle are Kaminsky and Porzingis.

Kaminsky and Porzingis seem like the most flexible and adaptable players in terms of systems, out there, IMO, but Kaminsky is there already.

If you look at everything each player can do at this moment, Kaminsky is the most complete player of the guys we are looking at, IMO.

Winslow and Mudiay (more on rep than my seeing him extensively) are the best defenders in the group I am looking at, but Porzingis will be more valuable in the future in this aspect.

I predict one trade between teams selecting 1-3.

I predict Orlando will come to us begging for a trade if Porzingis is available at #4.

If we stay at 4 and don't do anything stupid I think we come away with a player who will be an NBA star within 5 years.

This is what I believe...

...for now.

I figure we are privy to about 30% of the relevant data. We get to see game footage, and that counts for a lot. We get edited and selected workout footage. We don't see practice. We don't see individual workouts meant to gauge specific skills... I mean who knows? It comes down to gut feeling, and after the big three of Towns/OK4/Russell my gut says its a go between of WCS and Mudiay. I want someone who can really impact the game and both of those guys represent impact on one side of the ball or another. I just don't know... they all have concerns. They also have high ceilings...

Towns
OK4
Russell
Mudiay
Porzingis

Oh, after Briggs clarification I think I will change the order of mine slightly.
1) Russell
2)Towns
3)OK4
4)Stein
5)Grant

1. Towns - and not close

2. Russell
3. Winslow
4. Okafor

5. Mudiay

2 through 4 is extremely close and i'd say they are essentially equal.. Towns and Mudiay are a good bit further from that group..