Have you seen/read anything recent on Hezonja that led you to move him up to 4?
Have the Knicks ever even mentioned him?
Cannot see Phil passing on OK4 if he is there, and Orlando would have defensive problems beyond belief if they matched OK4 and Vucevich together.
This is just BRIGGS stirring the pot. Not much to analyze here.
WaltLongmire wrote:Have you seen/read anything recent on Hezonja that led you to move him up to 4?Have the Knicks ever even mentioned him?
Cannot see Phil passing on OK4 if he is there, and Orlando would have defensive problems beyond belief if they matched OK4 and Vucevich together.
Its not where I think someone will go its who I think is the best 1-30.
BRIGGS wrote:1. Karl Towns 2. Kristaps Porzingis
3 Deangelo Russell
4. Mario Hezonga
5 Jahill Okafor
6. Justin Andersen
7 Emanuel Mudiay
8 Frank Kaminsky
9 Willie Stein
10 Rashaud Vaughn
11 Justice Winslow
12 Myles Turner
13 Trey Lyles
14 Cameron Payne
15 R J Hunter
16 Devin Booker
17 Christian Wood
18 Stanley Johnson
19 Jordan Mickey
20 Jerian Grant
21 Kelly Oubre
22 Rondae Jefferson
23 Norman Powell
24 Josh Richardson
25 Montrezl Harrell
26 Kevin Looney
27 Vince Hunter
28 Delon Wright
29 Terry Rozier
30 Joe Young
I actually think you've made some interesting projections here and some that I just don't see happening. I can see the Lakers being the team to select Porzingis, I don't see S.Johnson dropping to 18 and i don't see Looney dropping to 26 either, I don't see Phil taking Hezonga at 4 over OK4 but I do like a lot of the surprises you've come up with.
BRIGGS wrote:WaltLongmire wrote:Have you seen/read anything recent on Hezonja that led you to move him up to 4?Have the Knicks ever even mentioned him?
Cannot see Phil passing on OK4 if he is there, and Orlando would have defensive problems beyond belief if they matched OK4 and Vucevich together.
Its not where I think someone will go its who I think is the best 1-30.
Ahhh I see. I thought you were making your draft projections for who will draft who.
BRIGGS wrote:1. Karl Towns 2. Kristaps Porzingis
3 Deangelo Russell
4. Mario Hezonga
5 Jahill Okafor
6. Justin Andersen
7 Emanuel Mudiay
8 Frank Kaminsky
9 Willie Stein
10 Rashaud Vaughn
11 Justice Winslow
12 Myles Turner
13 Trey Lyles
14 Cameron Payne
15 R J Hunter
16 Devin Booker
17 Christian Wood
18 Stanley Johnson
19 Jordan Mickey
20 Jerian Grant
21 Kelly Oubre
22 Rondae Jefferson
23 Norman Powell
24 Josh Richardson
25 Montrezl Harrell
26 Kevin Looney
27 Vince Hunter
28 Delon Wright
29 Terry Rozier
30 Joe Young
Fuzaro doesn't crack your top 30? Is this who you think will be drafted or who you think will be best? Not big on Upshaw either?
BRIGGS wrote:1. Karl Towns 2. Kristaps Porzingis
3 Deangelo Russell
4. Mario Hezonga
5 Jahill Okafor
6. Justin Andersen
7 Emanuel Mudiay
8 Frank Kaminsky
9 Willie Stein
10 Rashaud Vaughn
11 Justice Winslow
12 Myles Turner
13 Trey Lyles
14 Cameron Payne
15 R J Hunter
16 Devin Booker
17 Christian Wood
18 Stanley Johnson
19 Jordan Mickey
20 Jerian Grant
21 Kelly Oubre
22 Rondae Jefferson
23 Norman Powell
24 Josh Richardson
25 Montrezl Harrell
26 Kevin Looney
27 Vince Hunter
28 Delon Wright
29 Terry Rozier
30 Joe Young
This looks like your personal Big Board, not a mock draft.
BRIGGS wrote:WaltLongmire wrote:Have you seen/read anything recent on Hezonja that led you to move him up to 4?Have the Knicks ever even mentioned him?
Cannot see Phil passing on OK4 if he is there, and Orlando would have defensive problems beyond belief if they matched OK4 and Vucevich together.
Its not where I think someone will go its who I think is the best 1-30.
Thanks...I now understand.
No Fuzaro??
Knixkik wrote:BRIGGS wrote:1. Karl Towns 2. Kristaps Porzingis
3 Deangelo Russell
4. Mario Hezonga
5 Jahill Okafor
6. Justin Andersen
7 Emanuel Mudiay
8 Frank Kaminsky
9 Willie Stein
10 Rashaud Vaughn
11 Justice Winslow
12 Myles Turner
13 Trey Lyles
14 Cameron Payne
15 R J Hunter
16 Devin Booker
17 Christian Wood
18 Stanley Johnson
19 Jordan Mickey
20 Jerian Grant
21 Kelly Oubre
22 Rondae Jefferson
23 Norman Powell
24 Josh Richardson
25 Montrezl Harrell
26 Kevin Looney
27 Vince Hunter
28 Delon Wright
29 Terry Rozier
30 Joe Young
This looks like your personal Big Board, not a mock draft.
Right Im sorry I thought it was evident?
WaltLongmire wrote:BRIGGS wrote:WaltLongmire wrote:Have you seen/read anything recent on Hezonja that led you to move him up to 4?Have the Knicks ever even mentioned him?
Cannot see Phil passing on OK4 if he is there, and Orlando would have defensive problems beyond belief if they matched OK4 and Vucevich together.
Its not where I think someone will go its who I think is the best 1-30.
Thanks...I now understand.
No Fuzaro??
Fuzaro is not in this draft.
thanks to BRIGGS... i legit LOL'd at work just now.
I really put emphasis on what I saw in the finals. When I went over the draft I raised the stock on what I believe are high caliber perimeter players and I gave Justin Andersen the highest grade out of the top 5 given his ability to be able to guard 5-4-3-2 his incredible physical features and athleticism--his 3 point shot and what I have seen as much improved driving skills in his pre draft workouts. I believe he is a better NBA prospect than Mudiay Winslow even Kaminsky valuating on what I have seen in the finals and how I think basketball is going and I had a difference of opinion on that just weeks ago. these finals should open eyes and change thought process. Versatility on both defense and offense is critical and if you can find a guy who can control the game from 30 feet and in other than the first two picks who are in a league of the own---they got the highest marks. I rated Stanley Johnson lower because of his lack of outside shooting which is critical. I dropped Winslow to later lottery. I dont think hes a great shooter nor do I think hes James Harden but hes still really good.
BRIGGS wrote:I really put emphasis on what I saw in the finals. When I went over the draft I raised the stock on what I believe are high caliber perimeter players and I gave Justin Andersen the highest grade out of the top 5 given his ability to be able to guard 5-4-3-2 his incredible physical features and athleticism--his 3 point shot and what I have seen as much improved driving skills in his pre draft workouts. I believe he is a better NBA prospect than Mudiay Winslow even Kaminsky valuating on what I have seen in the finals and how I think basketball is going and I had a difference of opinion on that just weeks ago. these finals should open eyes and change thought process. Versatility on both defense and offense is critical and if you can find a guy who can control the game from 30 feet and in other than the first two picks who are in a league of the own---they got the highest marks. I rated Stanley Johnson lower because of his lack of outside shooting which is critical. I dropped Winslow to later lottery. I dont think hes a great shooter nor do I think hes James Harden but hes still really good.
Justin Anderson can not guard Dwight Howard, Marc Gasol, Aldridge, Towns......He even had problems guarding Winslow in college. He's a great player and I hope we can add him, but guarding 2-4 is really his range.
I see you have Kaminsky 1 slot ahead of Stein.....I'm not surprised.
I think Hezonga is a sleeper and people would see him as a steal in a few years.
What surprised me the most is your boy ok4 at pick #5?
You created more threads about him being the best prospect in college basketball than any other player. I remember seeing pages and pages of OK4 vs Towns....and you claimed he was the best pick. As a Towns fan, I remember those thread battles. How did he fall from your #1 to #5 is beyond me, but we all know he will never drop passed 4...
If Kaminsky improves his lateral quickness and defensive IQ, he will be a beast in the NBA. He already has all the offensive tools you want in a PF. Not sure about his passing skills. Anderson is a good comparison, but I think Anderson right now has better defense, which isn't saying much.
You can say the same thing about Stein, as far as his offense. But Kaminsky is mature so he will say all the right things when the cameras are rolling. We will see once he plays in the NBA for a few months. It's not easy to just increase lateral quickness and defensive IQ that quick. It's usually takes some time. Stein showing that he already has a nice form on his jumper, and a soft touch around the basket, is already showing some progress. This is why I can see Stein improving on offense faster than Kaminsky improving his defensive IQ, especially in PnR.
BRIGGS wrote:WaltLongmire wrote:BRIGGS wrote:WaltLongmire wrote:Have you seen/read anything recent on Hezonja that led you to move him up to 4?Have the Knicks ever even mentioned him?
Cannot see Phil passing on OK4 if he is there, and Orlando would have defensive problems beyond belief if they matched OK4 and Vucevich together.
Its not where I think someone will go its who I think is the best 1-30.
Thanks...I now understand.
No Fuzaro??
Fuzaro is not in this draft.
When did he withdraw? I thought he was just part of that multi-player workout in Vegas?? What was the reason for withdrawing so early??
BRIGGS wrote:WaltLongmire wrote:Have you seen/read anything recent on Hezonja that led you to move him up to 4?Have the Knicks ever even mentioned him?
Cannot see Phil passing on OK4 if he is there, and Orlando would have defensive problems beyond belief if they matched OK4 and Vucevich together.
Its not where I think someone will go its who I think is the best 1-30.
Then I don't get why you've been pushing for us to draft Kaminsky, when you think he's only the 8th best player in the draft- it makes no sense?
It must be quite a draft if Okafor, a guy you called the next Tim Duncan, is going 5th!
smackeddog wrote:BRIGGS wrote:WaltLongmire wrote:Have you seen/read anything recent on Hezonja that led you to move him up to 4?Have the Knicks ever even mentioned him?
Cannot see Phil passing on OK4 if he is there, and Orlando would have defensive problems beyond belief if they matched OK4 and Vucevich together.
Its not where I think someone will go its who I think is the best 1-30.
Then I don't get why you've been pushing for us to draft Kaminsky, when you think he's only the 8th best player in the draft- it makes no sense?
Ive said trade down to get Frank Kaminsky AND draft picks many times over. Also after watching the NBA finals I cannot not adjust my thinking a tad. I put the tow players I think are truly the best up top--I put the two players I truly believe are the best perimeter based players next--I put the best post player in the draft at 5 followed by what I now believe might be the most versatile wing defender in the draft who also has a great 3 point shot and from what i have seen in the pre draft video--a burgeoning ability to drive the ball which makes him a whole different player. A lot of people have been saying Justice is the next Jimmy Butler but Andersen is not only a better shooter but physically more imposing for defensive flexibility. Hey these are just gut calls--you wait until the end to make your final best projection--I tried my best.
Finestrg wrote:BRIGGS wrote:WaltLongmire wrote:BRIGGS wrote:WaltLongmire wrote:Have you seen/read anything recent on Hezonja that led you to move him up to 4?Have the Knicks ever even mentioned him?
Cannot see Phil passing on OK4 if he is there, and Orlando would have defensive problems beyond belief if they matched OK4 and Vucevich together.
Its not where I think someone will go its who I think is the best 1-30.
Thanks...I now understand.
No Fuzaro??
Fuzaro is not in this draft.
When did he withdraw? I thought he was just part of that multi-player workout in Vegas?? What was the reason for withdrawing so early??
http://www.hoopsrumors.com/2015/06/draft...
Seems legit that he is withdrawing. His agent appears to be on record saying as much.
EwingsGlass wrote:Finestrg wrote:BRIGGS wrote:WaltLongmire wrote:BRIGGS wrote:WaltLongmire wrote:Have you seen/read anything recent on Hezonja that led you to move him up to 4?Have the Knicks ever even mentioned him?
Cannot see Phil passing on OK4 if he is there, and Orlando would have defensive problems beyond belief if they matched OK4 and Vucevich together.
Its not where I think someone will go its who I think is the best 1-30.
Thanks...I now understand.
No Fuzaro??
Fuzaro is not in this draft.
When did he withdraw? I thought he was just part of that multi-player workout in Vegas?? What was the reason for withdrawing so early??
http://www.hoopsrumors.com/2015/06/draft...
Seems legit that he is withdrawing. His agent appears to be on record saying as much.
Many guys withdrew who wouldve been drafted. It makes sense to withdraw if your draft eligibility is up and you become a free agent compared to being a late 1 or 2 and a team has complete control over you.
smackeddog wrote:BRIGGS wrote:WaltLongmire wrote:Have you seen/read anything recent on Hezonja that led you to move him up to 4?Have the Knicks ever even mentioned him?
Cannot see Phil passing on OK4 if he is there, and Orlando would have defensive problems beyond belief if they matched OK4 and Vucevich together.
Its not where I think someone will go its who I think is the best 1-30.
Then I don't get why you've been pushing for us to draft Kaminsky, when you think he's only the 8th best player in the draft- it makes no sense?
I can defend that position the same way I suggest we draft Winslow but I do not put Winslow in my top 5. I give a 5 year horizon for players to figure themselves out -- same as the rookie scale contract. If I knew that Mudiay would be playing like Jason Kidd in less than 5 years and a max player by the end, I would most likely draft him over Winslow. That said, it seems like Mudiay is 3-5 years away from being Kidd-like (if ever) by virtue of his present inability to shoot. Do I think he will learn? Yes, I genuinely do. But I do not think NY will permit that kind of development to occur on a natural timeline. So, I think a guy like Winslow who is a little smaller Jimmy Butler clone is a more sensible option for the Knicks. Butler is more likely to contribute on day 1. I see Winslow as a max player some day, even if his ceiling is not as high as some other players in the draft. Looking back 20 years from now, some may say Mudiay is the better player. Over the next 5, I think it will be Butler by a landslide. Neither are once in a generation talents.
Same logic goes for Hezonja. I think he will be the best SG out of this draft. But, I do not believe he will acclimate to the NBA before we need to make a max contract decision. His first team will need to beat the crap out of him so he drops the attitude and I don't want that team to be the Knicks.
